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Probably a 'get out' by the manufacturers. "I bought this amplifier, and I find myself rather underwhelmed by it". "Have no worry sir, they do need a few hundred hours to run in, after which you'll be much happier with the sound". By which time it'll be too late to take it back and change it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
More likely it's the listener's ears that need time to get used to it.
I can understand electronics might need a period to "burn in" - although that should be done by the manufacturer before it is sold.
What I can't understand is the need to burn in cables. A friend of mine has just bought himself a set of 'high end' cables that supposedly need at least 100 hours to burn in. :scratch:
I can see it with mechanical things, like where there are two mating surfaces that need to 'bed in', like it used to be with brand new cars (what happened to all the bumper stickers which said "Running in, please pass"?)
My loudspeakers apparently run for eight hundred hours before leaving the factory. I doubt they would bother if they didn't think it was necessary.
worn out before you get them. i'd want second hand prices:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony
If only! They saw me coming with those buggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by struth
Yes - but what about the speaker cables?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony
While accepting that different speaker cables of different thickness, material or construction will affect the sound, I don't see how that sound can change as the cable ages (oxidised terminals notwithstanding). But as always I'm happy to be educated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
Me neither - but there are many who unquestionably follow and believe what the manufacturer tells them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony
Couple of photos of my recently purchased Alchris ar-6 speakers.
Sounding very nice so far albeit very different to my old JBL's.
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I think I've found my end game speakers. These Yamaha ns1000's came up for sale recently about 15 mins from me and I couldn't say no to them.
I'd had a pair on long term loan from a friend a few years back so I knew they would work in my room but I'd forgot just how wonderfully real they sound.
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Proper speakers those, congratulations.
Still better than the majority of modern speakers all these years on.
Agreed! I belive the speakers were developed for Japan's state broadcaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
Cheers mate [emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
I will need to find some decent stands for them at some point as they are currently sitting on some hideous old things I'd had spare. They could perhaps do with being up another few inches.
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From my seating position.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f9b6ff9b02.jpg
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Nice. I have never heard these in a domestic setting.
There was a bloke had some at the last Wigwam show, with Sony pre-power. Really good - and I don't say that lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffin
The continual system evolution is ongoing.
My old hulk of an amp (Jungson) has been moved on to a very happy new owner and in its place now sits a Denon PMA 1700ne. The driving force behind this was the Jungson remote failing and not being able to replace it. I chose the Denon based on a lot of positive reviews and the fact that it had an onboard dac as well as a switchable phono stage. I've not really used the phono stage as I have the Tron but its nice to know its there. My Node 2i is fed into the onboard Dac and sounds better for it.
Overall id say the Denon seems to be a bit leaner sounding than the Jungson but I am in no way unhappy with what I'm hearing.
The Yamahas I picked up a few months ago were dropped off with a local audio engineer who gave them a good going over and replaced some of the out of spec cross over components (the 47µf 250 VAC and 2.7 µf 250 VAC replaced with new Monacor MKP Polypropylene caps), cleaned up the attenuators and fitted some new binding posts for me. I also managed to find a nice set of 300mm high Atacama stands for them on ebay which means they sit at the right height for me.
I didn't expect to ever buy another CD player but recently I became aware of the Technics SL DZ 1200 and fell in love with its looks. Weirdly enough not long after one popped up on ebay UK and so for a very reasonable amount its now mine. It was technics entry into the club DJ market in about 2004 but due to some initial software issues it failed miserably and soon the market moved on with Denon and Pioneer decks becoming the benchmark.
Il never use the multitude of DJ functions it has but I love the 10inch revolving platter that echoes the look & feel of my 1200 turntable, as a conversation piece its cool and sounds pretty good too.
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When set into DJ mode the top platter spins and can be used like a conventional turntable for "scratching" lol. Theres lots of delay, echo and filter buttons that can be used (if you have any idea what you are doing - which I don't).
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Looking slightly Christmassy if a bit messy. Attachment 31240
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cool CD player - I want one!
That's exactly what I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
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I'll join the queue. How much do they tend to go for?
between £250 and £450 on ebay (sold listings)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence001
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...H_Sold=1&rt=nc
I paid £250 for it which I was happy with, I was weighing up what else I could get for that sort of money and couldn't really think of much which looked anywhere near as funky.
I've had a slightly modded SL1200 mk2 for a few years now so this makes a nice companion to it. It's got the same feel to it, weighs a ton and feels bombproof.
It's been fun digging out our old CDs from storage, I might also buy a few new ones now too.
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I like this one, described as new, the title says works well, the description says never been used [emoji848]
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115945300042
Seller "mykhuk" could be Mick Hucknell :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence001
He may take offers if money's too tight to mention.Quote:
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I see what you did there:)Quote:
Originally Posted by oldius
enough....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffin
Treated myself to a new to me DS audio cartridge and phono equaliser a couple of weeks back. Very happy with the results so far. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0ff976234d.jpg
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I didn’t know PS Audio made a cartridge. Glad you are pleased with the result. Well done. :)
They don't it's a typo - it's a DS Audio (Digital Stream Corporation).Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
That would explain the labelling in the second photo. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
And I didn't know DS Audio made a cartridge either. But then I wouldn't as I've never heard of them [emoji23]
My mistake LOL, I've just updated the post.
I've just been reading up on DS optical cartridges. Certainly they are a bit of a rara avis.
The last time an optical cartridge was marketed was in the mid to late '60s by Sony. I remember seeing one in an audio store in Munich in 1970.
I did hear one of the earlier DS cartridges at one of the Heathrow audio shows in the '80s. It was part of a system, all of components of which were new to me and demonstrated in a room which was far too small, so sadly I came away very unimpressed.
Which is a shame as in principle the optical modulation by the record groove appears to be a good idea. Perhaps Ben can tell us how the cartridge sounds in his system
I'm really rubbish in describing what I hear unfortunately
I haven't done back to back comparisons but my initial observations are that the DS cartridge and phono equalizer pair feel a bit brighter maybe, in comparison my previous Tron / AT set up sounded dark and a bit more shut in.