Originally Posted by
Filterlab
Sorry Steve, that's complete and utter rubbish. The government are not to blame for anybody's inability to work.
Hi Rob, I do agree, thats why I said "Not everybody", but by offering poor education standards in impoverished areas, and having a benefit system based on minimum requirement to live which pays more than mimimum wage, the Goverment is not completely blameless.
At my company one of my responsibilities is recruitment, and I will employ anyone I feel is capable of doing the job required - they must have the right attitude, they must want to work and they must want to do a good job. They are all the requirements. We have several employees, one of them had a particularly difficult upbringing and poor education as a result, she struggles to fit everything in her around work but with some understanding from me and help from her mother she does a damn fine job, in fact she is my most reliable member of staff. Consequently she earns a very good wage and some fantastic fat four figure bonuses.
I myself have had to do recruitment for my work, and feel I do better than the previous gentleman in that position, I did sit through many an interview and have seen CV's get binned due to postcode and such.
Because she lives in a 'not so nice' area hasn't hindered her at all, in fact it's her birthday on Monday and as well as the usual card, gifts and cake we do for all our employees, she'll receive a pay rise double the rate of inflation. Now I could have rejected her quite easily at the interview stage (using my bigotted middle class attitude - allegedly) but since I don't have that attitude and I see people for what they are, she got the job.
That's nice to hear :), my personal experience is that due to being brought up in Ferguslie Park, Barrhead and various other places, being in care, and choosing to live in a more affordable postcode, I have been hindered in certain areas of my life. :) (PS my apologies if I infered you had any sort of attitude earlier)
I don't care where potential employees live, their background, postcode or what class they feel they belong too. I don't care about their race, religion, political stance or what their parents do for a living. Can they do the job to the required standard? Yes - they are employed, No - no thanks then.
Again nice ;), and something I agree with, some people don't though.
So are the government preventing people from working at my company, no - the individual's ability to work is.
Ah, but my point is, IF an individual ends up in a poor education system due to social circumstance, and cannot better his own experiences and direction at those early stages, then this "ability" MAY not be due to the individual, but in some sense goverment or community or local council failing? MAYBE!
As I said, think what you like, I have no shame in admitting that I thoroughly dislike work-shy dole scrounging hand-out grabbers whom when they are completely capable of doing work and contributing to the country, choose to waste their time and the hard-earned tax money of the folk who do work and contribute by lounging about.
I agree that such exists, but on both sides of the fence, there are plenty of younger well off who hide behind studies paid for by the state, while living off hand outs too, this is not always clear cut. I don't disagree with your opinion there, but! for years, and still, benefits pay more than mimimum wage.
If someone genuinely has an inability to work (through illness, disability etc etc) then the welfare state is a fine tool to take care of those less fortunate, but when the money goes to the pockets of the loafers, that annoys me.
Well it can be, but is not perfect? People with MS and in a wheelchair hassled to look for work, while parents of spoilt children get unquestioned as to the childs aparent condition? Personal experience here, as my sisters partner is in the wheelchair, and a parent I know, who did not have any parental skill nor apply themselves to the childs well being now gets hundreds in benefits for a spoilt kid he never attended any social event such as school or nursery? (My wife baby sat that kid, and there was no mental disability or behavour problem whatsoever).
Oh, you may want to discuss this with my MD who grew up in a very nasty part of Clapham in the sixties/seventies in a distinctly working class family and went to a terrible state school riddled with the hardest nastiest people in London, but he went on to become one of the most in demand finance directors, worked for several major international organisations, rarely earned less than £250,000 a year and then left it to start his own business (where I work) which has grown by 24% turnover a year every year since it started 10 years ago.
Why would I want to discuss this with your MD? very well done to him but that is his business? Nor does an individual from a working class background attending state school back in those years change todays circumstances? I know of an ex soccer casual in similar circumstances, and of an ex-drug dealer doing well in a management position. These individual circumstances don't change the fact that many children do not get better opportunities, or indeed even know of anything better.
Man I love social situation based rants!
Me I'm not sure I enjoy them,as clearly opinion is tainted by experience and such LOL ;)
In my opinion, the goverment have introduced a catchment scheme for education, which does segragate children from certain backgrounds from others.
It may seem fair on paper, but instead of parents getting to choose their childs education and influence, they now have to pay for the privelage of an acceptable standard, and an environment where they feel the child will gain the most benefit.
I am not to blame for the parents attitudes of the children attending the school which my child is expected to attend, nor the mentality of the children from that area, so why should I be expected to put my childs well being, upbringing and future in question?
The local school is an absolute cess pool, with many children from impoverished areas with the traits you described earlier. The children are not the ones who created the society that bred their attitudes and personalities. The standards of education are low, and no matter how much an effort a parent or child make, such an education in such an environment will adhere to that childs social and educational status. The goverment imposed this, so my child will suffer more bullying swearing and general unacceptable behavour along with a poor standard of education.
The difference in standard between this school and the one we wanted him to attend next to his nursery are night and day, he does not play with any children from the area which populates the local school, his friends are from elsewhere and some attend his nursery.
The difference which necessitates this change? 10minutes walking distance and a postcode!
Simply put, the goverment makes no effort to better education and standards in many impoverished areas, and has policy to ensure children from such impoverished areas have to attend schools which may have poor standards which the goverment does not improve or inforce. Many of these impoverished areas do not always get much in the way of public spending, and are usually where councils end up putting the "social missfits or less fortunate", there is not much for many to do in such areas, which can also be quite segragated by violence with gangs and such. But again I guess it will always be that individual who is to blame for his social circles since childhood, his family finances and the lack of local amenities.
So in my opinion the goverment is not blameless, and through their actions the goverment "may" well affect the abilities of an individual.
Quite clearly parents are forced to send children to certain schools, if you do not earn enough to live in that catchment area this deems your child not worthy of a higher standard of education.
Quite clearly I am unhappy that my child is now expected to mix with a large percentage of children who swear, piss on the street and are generally appalling. And feel that much of this social behaviour is due to the goverment ignoring such impoverished areas and using them for problem solving or such.
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What was this all about again?
Oh yes, the goverment is rubbish, not all poor are poor through choice, impoverished areas are terrible, but who's to really blame.
I don't really know, but quite clearly have different experiences and opinion as such.
Still think it questionable that a single man living on his own earning £25k a year, gets a Council tax discount, when a working man earning less and supporting two children does not.
And tax credits are a joke.
I myself do not get tax credits, my wife doe not work (well at the moment as both kids are under 5) but chose to bring up our children, why work and give your complete earnings to a complete stranger to bring up your children for you?
We do not qualify for tax credits or any state help, though some time back I did, and recieved tax credits, but due to work bonuses ended up paying more back than I recieved.
Yet I know of someone in the same circumstance as me but without the job, who actually recieves more via the benefits system than I earn?
Got....to.........stop...........ranting...............:steam:...............:wah:........ ...... :violin:
