Yeh they are very good resistors, can i ask why you have three 'ESA' & just one 'MR' caps?
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Yeh they are very good resistors, can i ask why you have three 'ESA' & just one 'MR' caps?
Couldn't get the right values in MRs for where the SAs went, dude, otherwise there'd have been MRs fitted throughout :)
Marco.
Nowt wrong with ESA's. Great value for the dosh.
They are indeed, Ali. I've used them in a number of applications, and achieved great results. Hovland Music Caps are good in crossovers, too.
The best results I've ever heard with caps, though, were those SCR Teflon ones you recommended, which I fitted as coupling caps in the Croft. Man, what a difference those made! :eek: :)
Marco.
They look cracking Marco, I look forward to hearing them one day.
On your listening room and bearing in mind it's a dedicated listening room, I'm surprised you haven't you haven't covered the walls with wave absorption tiles, or at least hung something up like a throw. I can see that the roof cuts in at an angle which does help remove standing waves, but given your depth of investment have you considered spending on the room?
Great speaks BTW, I love Celestions - of all budgets. I grabbed a £10 pair of little Celestions from t'Bay a few years back. They had metal tweeters and they sounded super crisp! Can't remember the model number (had a '7' in it) but I do know they were cracking little boxes.
Just that the Celestion '7' had metal tweetipiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Filterlab
Ah right..looking at the crossover pic you posted i thought straight away the Solen inductors as a visual match replacement...Quote:
Couldn't get the right values in MRs for where the SAs went, dude, otherwise there'd have been MRs fitted throughout :)
No, sorry, no Sondex units this year as I'm doing a 1970s system. I'll follow this with an 80's system next year though, which will mean the Sondexes have a place alongside lots of B&O!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Oh, and as to these girly minimalist crossovers - pah! Attached is a piccy of the Leak 2075 crossover in mid-rebuild, with still a resistor and two capacitors missing!
It may have been a '4' then. :) They were in black ash, grey baffle, tweeter was a metal dome behind three or four horizontal bars and set in a grey moulding. Quite a large bass driver, wider than they were deep (which helps to age them a bit). Single wiring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Cheers, dude.Quote:
They look cracking Marco, I look forward to hearing them one day.
On your listening room and bearing in mind it's a dedicated listening room, I'm surprised you haven't you haven't covered the walls with wave absorption tiles, or at least hung something up like a throw. I can see that the roof cuts in at an angle which does help remove standing waves, but given your depth of investment have you considered spending on the room?
Great speaks BTW, I love Celestions - of all budgets. I grabbed a £10 pair of little Celestions from t'Bay a few years back. They had metal tweeters and they sounded super crisp! Can't remember the model number (had a '7' in it) but I do know they were cracking little boxes.
You'd be welcome for a sesh-ette anytime. Perhaps come sometime in the summer with Esther and we could make a weekend of it and show you the sights of North Wales? :)
You're absolutely right regarding room treatment. I've done bugger all in that department, quite simply out of sheer laziness due to the fact that I'm getting a superb sound already. And when I'm in there, I just kick back and listen to music, without worrying about hi-fi stuff.
Living in an old house with massively thick walls and irregular-shaped rooms with beams, etc, I'm sure helps greatly with acoustics, although I'm certain that some room treatment would improve things even more.
I just have to motivate myself to be arsed! :eyebrows:
Marco.
Cool - that's an idea. Most of the inductors are decent quality air-core types, but I'm aware that further improvements could be made. What about the Goertz ones you recommended before, or Mundorf air-core foil coils?Quote:
Ah right..looking at the crossover pic you posted i thought straight away the Solen inductors as a visual match replacement...
However, I love how the Lockwoods sound now, so perhaps it's a case of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'? :)
Marco.
No worries, Adam - I getcha! How did you find the S230, anyway? I have very fond memories of using one when I was a teenager in a system in my bedroom.Quote:
No, sorry, no Sondex units this year as I'm doing a 1970s system. I'll follow this with an 80's system next year though, which will mean the Sondexes have a place alongside lots of B&O!
Looks like quality! I think it's generally the case that modern electrical components, particularly capacitors, are superior to vintage ones, but there are a chosen few exceptions to the rule, such as those Monacors...Quote:
Oh, and as to these girly minimalist crossovers - pah! Attached is a piccy of the Leak 2075 crossover in mid-rebuild, with still a resistor and two capacitors missing!
I've got Plessey power supply caps in my Copper amp, from the 1970s, and those are just lovely things :cool:
Marco.
A word of 'ertfordshire-cum-Suffolk caution here Marco. The inductors are not, to my knowledge, in series with the drivers unless I'm very much mistaken (as I often am), so won't be directly in the signal path. The coils you must be concerned about are the hundreds of feet of tiny wire in the voice coils which ARE in series with the signal...
The caps on the boards you showed us pics of, don't usually age like metal can electrolytics do, but they certainly can be improved on. I just worry that the lower internal resistance (possibly) of current spec caps may alter other things you're trying to improve. Having said that, my mate Clive (a speaker designer of some notable worth for Elac, TDL and Musical Technology to name three companies he's worked and an owned - in the case of MT), tried replacing the electrolytics across but not in the signal path with some standard polyprops (he'd already done the others to good effect) and noted a definite sonic advantage in doing so, so replace away :)
The tweeters are the things to take most care of and if you ever see a very tatty pair of Ditton 44's come up cheap, I'd get them for the HF2000's alone (I think that's what they had in 'em). The 44's are a big-n-beefy good oldie too, so don't buy a good pair to cannibalise ;)
A note to Adam - Leak 2075's - WHY????????????????????????? :D
Hi Dave,
Could you elaborate on that a little, please? Churz! :)Quote:
I just worry that the lower internal resistance (possibly) of current spec caps may alter other things you're trying to improve.
Cool. Did he do that with the 66's, or are we talking about other speakers?Quote:
Having said that, my mate Clive (a speaker designer of some notable worth for Elac, TDL and Musical Technology to name three companies he's worked and an owned - in the case of MT), tried replacing the electrolytics across but not in the signal path with some standard polyprops (he'd already done the others to good effect) and noted a definite sonic advantage in doing so, so replace away...
Good idea. That's something I'll definitely consider.Quote:
The tweeters are the things to take most care of and if you ever see a very tatty pair of Ditton 44's come up cheap, I'd get them for the HF2000's alone (I think that's what they had in 'em). The 44's are a big-n-beefy good oldie too, so don't buy a good pair to cannibalise ;)
What you said further back though is so true - there is simply no need to play the Celestions stupidly loud, as they are so cleverly voiced that all the musical information you need is there at moderate levels, and low-level listening, in particular, is a joy.
You don't need to listen to the Lockwoods loudly either, for similar reasons, but the problem is it's so entertaining to do so - rather like accelerating in a Bentley; your nerves will give up long before the engine will! :eyebrows:
However, with the Celestions, I was up to nearly 4am this morning listening to music at just one click on the volume control of the Croft, and the room was still filled with sound, yet didn't disturb Del in bed, only a few feet away next door. Most modern speakers just don't do that, and sound distinctly congested at very low levels.
I can also do this with the Tannoys, but their bigger bass with certain tracks makes the sound they produce at low volumes somewhat more intrusive.
Marco.
Well, as of today my Sondex collection actually comprises an S230 amp, DE-1 phono stage and PCU1 passive preamp and I haven't had time to sit down and listen to any of 'em! Once Scalford is out of the way, I should have more time, hopefully. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Because I read about them, decided I had to have a pair, bought a pair about 17 years ago, lived with them for 3 years and loved them, then sold them when the drivers started making funny noises and I knew of no-one who could repair them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
I regretted my decision as soon as I watched the new owner drive away with them and have been looking for a pair that aren't stupidly priced ever since. Luckily Haden Boardman's grand equipment clearout of 2010 came up trumps!
Nice collection, Adam. The only Sondex equipment I've heard is the S230, so it'll be interesting checking out the other stuff you have next year.
What I liked about the S230 was its minimalist approach - just a little box with a volume knob, balance control and few source selectors, but it sounded so very musical. The MM phono stage was a real gem, so the DE-1 should be a bit special! :)
Marco.
'DL4' you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Filterlab
They are good but you just can't shove any inductor in regardless of it being the correct value, watch yer DCR's :)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Aye, I'd say they are about the best caps I've heard so far. The AN coppers are very good too IMHO. I'd imagine the silvers are something special but I refuse to pay that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
They look fab, Marco. As I said earlier, I really liked them but haven't heard any in about 30 years. I look forward to hearing yours at some point.
And a nice new avatar - suits you, sir!
Cheers, Martin :)
They won't have changed since you last heard them, but the difference will be when you hear them on the end of a top-notch system, which I think would shock you...
The interesting thing is that they fit in the back of the car, so for a giggle, I might bring them down with me next time! :eyebrows:
Marco.
As long as you don't expect me to move my current speakers...
Of course - that was the whole plan. I thought we could just pop them out in the garden for a bit whilst we wheel in the Celestions. It's not as if they're heavy or anything, is it? :lol:
Marco.
Hi AdamQuote:
Originally Posted by Beobloke
Any chance spilling the beanz as to whats in this 70's system cos looking at the spread sheet they aint anything worth justifying going for me! infact i'm seriously thinking about giving my tickets away.
Lol - I thought you'd be curious to hear the Celestions!
Also, the Scalford show is as much a social event, getting to meet folks from AoS and other forums, and having a laugh, as it is about hi-fi and music.
So don't be a boring twat, and make sure you come - the Marco taxi will be waiting for you! :cool:
Marco.
Be nice to hear em again, but a techy as a source ffks dude :lolsign:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Lol - it sounds bloody good, trust me, and we'll be playing CD, too, don't forget.
A highly modified Eikos CDP will be used for digital duties :cool:
Marco.
No thanks. Can't you get nick to set up an open reel (& no DSOTM ffks) :lolsign:
I'm pretty sure he's bringing one, so if he is, it'll defo be part of the system :)
Marco.
What would you like on it, Andr'e? I'm thinking of bringing my Nagra this time.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Beechwoods
How about playing them a tape of the Watersons? ;) Everybody knows that the human voice and a cappella singing is a critical test of any system - even one using Celestion 66s. :eyebrows:
I'll take my Frost and Fire Tape! I must admit I'm putting together a comp of stuff I like but I'm really pleased with how it sounds on the Nagra. And it's an easy machine to carry about!
Excellent stuff, Nick - look forward to hearing it :)
Btw, what year was the Nagra made?
The Techy was first introduced in 1972, and the Dittons are from 1973, so it looks like the system's 1970s DNA will be a little stronger than a slap in foreskin with a red-hot teabag......! :eyebrows:
Marco.
The IV-S was launched in 1971, but mine's a IV-S TC model (with timecode) and that model came out in 1984. Slide the timecode drawer away and it looks like it was born in the 70's!
Nae worries - that'll do... All we need now is some prog albums to play and then dress like Jason King! :eyebrows:
Will you have your moustache? ;)
Marco.
Nah, I'm leaving my moustache at home :doh:
I'll bring my pornstar hairy chest though :eyebrows:
Na worries Nick i'll not be there, gave my ticket numbers away last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beechwoods
Jeez, wot are you like! :doh:
Marco.
Pressure's off then. I'll bring my Mariah Carey tapes :)
Lol - and now the sex god is otherwise engaged, the waitresses at Scalford Hall will collectively weep! :eyebrows:
Marco.
Seems like it's a bit late but -Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Sony PS-B80 and Aiwa LP-3000 turntables
Pioneer SA-9800Mk2 amp
Technics RS-9900 cassette deck
Technics SH-9020 VU meter unit
Leak 2075 loudspeakers
Possibly an original Cambridge CD1 CD player complete with Quality Assurance Module. If not, then my Marantz CD94 again.
I'll also be bringing along the following turntables for anyone who wants to hear them -
Empire 598/Denon DL103
Technics SL-110/SME 3009/Shure M75ED
ADC Accutrac 4000
ADC Accutrac +6
Technics SL-1960
B&O Beogram 6000
Go on - grab those tickets back now. How can you resist?!
Come on Andre, I was looking forward to meeting the legend in real life!
Yup, dude - it's not just about hi-fi. It's a social event too, and you're a popular and well-liked member of our community :)
Besides, if you don't come, Alex the stud will be left 'entertaining' all the waitresses himself, and his chat-up lines are WAAAAAAY too cheesy for even the biggest fan of fromage!! They have to be saved from that terrible fate somehow!!! :eek: :lol: :eyebrows:
Marco.
I was really looking forward to meeting you Andre
Hey Marco! I just set up my newly acquired Ditto 66`S!!! Nothing but LOVE!!!!
Question? Should they be setup straight on my timber floor or should put something under Them???
I have a suspicion that these big girls matched with a little sub are creating to much vibration for my turntable?
Very short stands would be best, I'd think, Brett.
Surprised you think they need help in the bass.
They tend to have much bigger rooms down under..
My god! Subs with Ditton 66s?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bretto
Exercise great caution, that much bass could create a wormhole and suck you into another galaxy. :)
....or be full of waffle due in part to being badly integrated, which just serves to set your floorboards off into a singing, ringing symphony of nastiness!Quote:
Originally Posted by walpurgis
Just a guess.
The sub is on very low.... I think I'm substituting the poor quality of my turn table..? Could someone suggest a quality TT that doesn't loose bass quality. I'm really needing help to get set up. I'm only interested in quality se and hand components.