I do hope not, I'm only interested in helping people who are interested in Mike's products :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reid Malenfant
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I do hope not, I'm only interested in helping people who are interested in Mike's products :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reid Malenfant
Indeed; and to make sure the truth gets out there as much as possible in case there's anyone daft enough to believe how Cawley's spinning the tale! ;)
Marco.
As i'm 100% sure you are Martin, I couldn't guage other peoples reactions though & knowing how there can often be cross forum problems (take it from me that i have seen it more than enough times :doh:) i thought i'd play it safe & open a new browser window ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
There is method in my madness :eyebrows:
& back to the bearing :)
I am busy reading a book that I cannot put down. I arranged my whole day so that I could have an early night and spend it reading with some background music. I thought let me quickly check what's up on AoS and came across this thread. It was much better than my book and I nearly wet my bed a few times. Cheers for a thoroughly entertaining evening. I thought this day would come... http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...ivas#post70914
PS. Another auction, not getting any better ("It has been said that Mike New the designer will refurbish/replace at a nominal cost. You need to check this before biding and make sure that it will be OK. I cannot be held responsible at all."). This guy is in a class of his own... hope he's not married, poor wife must be seriously embarrased!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mike-New-SL-12...35399583618461
Just makes me so angry :steam:
Marco,
You can try and re-sign up for me if you would. I was a member but now it would seem that I have been barred/banned or whatever without ever being informed.
Where are we talking about, Mike?
Marco.
Marco,
I was talking about VE, somehow the post got out of phase with the general theme of the thread.
Why do they all need to be dismantled and re-oiled? I thought the bearing was pre-loaded and sealed from new.
By "all" do you mean all the ones DC is selling? If so then this will be because these bearings may have been taken apart and touted around machine shops - at least one of them will have been from what I can tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
Chivas,
Do not be concerned on my behalf although I appreciate it; about what Cawley is trying to do to me, his vindictiveness knows no bounds. A study of my emails shows that he probably had about three to four units in stock when he quickly discovered that I had no intention of bowing to his will!!! He no doubt will continue his silly games on Ebay until eventually he gets tired of it. To a large extent it is providing me with free advertising, as I am receiving an increased number of requests for delivery dates and orders, on both bearings and Platters. When you buy the bearing from Cawley I would suggest that you request the installation instructions and see what the reaction is!!!!! Do not install the bearing without reading the installation Instructions. My offer to support all bearings still stands and can be found elsewhere on this forum.
This whole 'guru' thing really does smack of the hero worship/Peter Belt thing that existed all of those years ago. I'm sure most hi-fi folk out there see this for what it really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Hi Shaun,
Quite simply, the man has an ego the size of the Albert Hall, and it's a fragile one at that, which when one doesn't consider it justified or warranted to stroke or pander to it, is what makes one's relationship with Mr Cawley somewhat 'tempestuous'.... ;)
He wants to be recognised as 'da man', whereas after his latest antics he's more recognised for being 'da clown'.
Marco.
The biggest ego's in fairly recent times belonged to Ivor T (Linn) and possibly the late Julian V for a while, until Ivor stomped all over it... Absolutely convinced that theirs was the only way (unless you caught Ivor off guard over dinner, but even then..:)). At the time, I reckon certain people at Quad were the same in an opposite direction (not Peter Walker, but one or two of his key design folk, as I suspect PW was increasingly taking a back seat then, in the late 70's).
Some of us have been around so long in this industry history is coming to repeat itself, but please don't think that AOS is the sole outlet for Techie tweaks, it's a big wide world out there...
Nope, not at all. AoS is one of many, but a somewhat significant and influential one for our size - and of course we're growing all the time (and at a pretty fast rate)! ;)
Marco.
Marco, do you know that I'm being thought of as one of your "disciples," such is your iron grip, in the same way you joked about me and a purveyor of active speakers with DAC's built in??????
By whom? Dodgy Dave, 'The Naked Emperor'?
Marco
I notice that the bearings have been re-listed on E-Bay.
Watched the last won go an hour ago for £102. Looked like a snipe software jobbie.
As a respected member of the trade, Dave, what do you make of Cawley's disgraceful shenanigans?Quote:
I notice that the bearings have been re-listed on E-Bay.
PM me your thoughts if you like :)
Marco.
:sofa:
;)
Where is it marco ?
did something go amiss all i can see is the original platter!
Ok guys,
Mike's sent me some pics of my customised version of his platter... First, this is the existing one:
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5...uminiumpla.jpg
And the new lighter version with copper mat bonded on top:
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/711...teronlathr.jpg
And in situ on the T/T:
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5...perplatter.jpg
Can't wait to try it! :)
Marco.
Now fixed, Chris, sorry - slip of the keyboard!Quote:
Where is it marco ?
did something go amiss all i can see is the original platter!
Marco.
:) looks tasty indeed ! shame you have to cover that shiny copper up with ye olde vinyl
Indeed - and an Achromat! ;)
I'll have to borrow a standard size one though from Arthur, as the one I have at the moment is cut for the Techie platter. I'm sure he'll have a few demo ones kicking around that'll do the job.
I'm quite excited and have high hopes for this platter. The plan is to compare it, fitted with an Achromat, against a copper mat and Achromat with the existing platter (and also with an Oyaide), all using Paul's SR5-21 PSU, and see which combo performs best...
I have an inkling what'll win, though, as I'm sure Martin might :eyebrows:
We'll see, though! I'll simply tell it as I hear it. I have to know the results of testing all viable combos, so that I can offer people advice from a position of experience.
Then it'll be down to Martin's to do some further testing against his standard MN platter to see if my customised design has proved to be sonically beneficial (or not), the results of which I will then report here.
You can't accuse me of not being thorough (lol!), so hopefully when the testing has been carried out, people will have a better idea of what way to go with their own Techies.
I think it's important that Techie enthusiasts have a point of reference from which they can then use their own judgement, and then their own ears if they decide to go with whatever is recommended :cool:
Marco.
Marco
Ill be very interested in your results.
I use a Ancromat on my L-07D (AK let me have one for a review when they first came out) but b/c of the size have never been able to test it on my SP10.
I have a Kenwood Ceramic platter also and have been thinking of going over to copper and trying the Oyaide.
Do you have an Oyaide?
Regards
Gerry
Hi Gerry,
No, but I'll just order one when I get the copper mat and sell it on later if it doesn't come up to scratch when tested against the other stuff. I'll certainly be keeping everyone informed of the results.
The Achromat really is a no-brainer, and quite frankly should be considered as a ubiquitous choice in the application of 'record interface mat' :)
Marco.
Marco, I notice that your mat has actually been tested in situ with a Techie deck ;)
Sorry, Dave, not sure what you're getting at..... :scratch:
Marco.
Yes, I got those too. It'll be interesting to hear whether the bonded copper layer plays differently from the inserts in my version. Of course, we'll have to contend with both the copper and weight being different, but I can't wait to compare them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Can I just confirm, Marco, that your Achromat is the 5mm not the 3mm version? The Funk Firm website doesn't appear to accept direct orders so how did you purchase yours?
I'd expect it to having thought about it :) Copper is softer than alloy so it should have a damping effect on the alloy platter, with it being bonded this should be quite a bit better than just sat on top. From what i can remember copper even if shaped the same way as alloy rings far less & at a lower frequency as it's heavier than aluminium, not sure about the alloy used in this platter though :scratch:Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
The idea is fundamentally sound :eyebrows: Excuse the pun ;)
Hi Martin,
Yes, I can't wait to compare the platters, too......
I'm not sure what thickness of Achromat Arthur sent (I don't have it in front of me at the moment to measure, and I'm just having my dinner) but he would know, so best just to email him and ask him.
You can order the Achromat at the same time :)
info@thefunkfirm.co.uk or Tel: 01273 585042.
There are some exciting times ahead, as I have a feeling this new platter (in conjunction with the Achromat) is going to raise the performance of the Techie to previously unprecedented levels!
Marco.
Apologies, I was half asleep when I typed this. what I meant is that your composite platter has been tested on a techie before you receive it, so you won't have the supposed problems with ill-fitting as alluded to elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
I hope this works out OK for all. I hate it when other, subjectivism aligned sites make gleeful entertainment out of threads like this, even though the targets aren't really the mass-membership. Some people can be so cruel and it rubs off on those of us here who post with the utmost civility.
Ah, gotcha now, Dave :)
With regard to the other thing, we're so far above those shit-filled cesspits, we simply look down and spit on them with the contempt they deserve ;)
Rising above it (and them) is the best option.
Marco.
The new platter which Marco has posted a pic of, is essentially the same unit with a
3mm thick annealed copper plate bonded to the alluminium surface. The copper plate is not removable as it is pressure bonded to the platter body. The copper plate is annealed at 600deg C before being quenched in a Sulphuric Acid pickling bath. This has the effect of rendering the copper pliable and more resonance absorbent, (it also etches the copper ready for bonding) and allowing a very close allover bonding connection with the top surface.
This is, I believe a superior alternative to a free floating copper mat, which cannot have the required connectivity to the platter body as such. Although I have in posts elsewhere, recommended that people using these, should use a coating of good quality silicon grease (or Vaselene) in order to improve things.
The MN platter I have is 2mm thicker than std and has the contouring for the bearing and stiffener. I use the 5mm funkfirm achromat, and the combination sounds heavenly.
I am curious and look forward to your results Marco
Cheers
Pete
Would there be anything wrong with highly polishing the copper and placing the record directly
on it and making a mat optional ?
Dammit, I'm really tempted now since you have a MN platter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
It may or may not be. I have the CU-180 copper mat for my Micro Seiki DDX-1000. Many owners of the CU-180 will tell you that they have had great results with that mat, but I have not been so lucky. It might be due to the combination of the system setup I have, but I don't harbour any immediate desire to swap around amps and speakers just to get the mat to sound right.Quote:
Originally Posted by markf
Hi Mark,
I'm not sure, as I haven't tried it. Experience, however, suggests that hard metal surfaces don't make the best interfaces between the record and platter.
However, when I obtain a copper mat to assess, I will revisit this and report my findings :)
Marco.
dew eet ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
When I bought my mentor deck from Tom, I was given the choice of two top-platters to try. The first was what I remember to be a thick aluminium one (or non-magnetic steel, I can't remember) and the second, the now standard graphite type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
The metallic platter sounded ringy and over-bright. Perfect for rejuvenating dull sounding magnetic cartridges and older mc types, but to me, being one colouration balancing out another.
The graphite platter by comparison sounded far more neutral when compared to the copy-masters I had, the record appearing to be well terminated, but the effect on many cartridges of the time wasn't always good, as measurable treble dullness in the cartridge sounded just that. The Decca was in its element though and modern mc types are too :)
So the copper doesn't really help other than look good, so perhaps a platter with a
graphite top plate would be better. (probably look great too)
I guess I should ask Marco, what was your reason for selecting copper for your custom platter ?
Ive read that the copper reduces eddy currents.
Colin's got it in one, Mark :)
Both the PSU (when the original one is used), and the motor unit under the platter, generate eddy currents detrimental to the sonic performance of the cartridge above, which the copper mat, due to its material properties, helps reduce.
Therefore from the bottom, we have Mike's superb bespoke platter, which adds both structural rigidity and controls resonance, and above it the bonded copper mat reducing the effect of eddy currents, and topping it all, the superb Achromat, providing the ideal (impedance matching) interface for the record - all of which should combine to allow maximum information retrieval from recordings with minimum coloration....
That's the theory (and goal). We'll soon see whether it translates into this in practice!
Marco.
Wouldnt a series of slots in the copper have a better effect on Eddies!
A serious question, how do you know that there are eddy currents in the supplied techie platter and, if they are, do they really affect the performance of the cartridge used? Have you been given proof of this, or is it just hearsay by others?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
I've heard too many times the mantra of people inventing a problem and then marketing an expensive cure for it.
Just to keep you questioning what you think is the obvious from what you've been told, that's all :)
Possibly, mate (I can see where you're coming from), but you could go on forever with these things, and it's Mike doing all the work! :eek:Quote:
Wouldnt a series of slots in the copper have a better effect on Eddies!
I'm pretty confident the above combo will be shweeeeeeet! :gig:
:trust:
Marco.