Web stream? :)
Web stream? :)
I could pop along - could turn out to be a get-together of the East Anglian chapter of the AoS mafia!Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
Regards
i'm really glad i'm out of turntables it's nothing more than mines better than yours crap.
It's just a bake-off for a bit of fun, dude, that's all :)
Marco.
Hey AndreQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Can i just say Prog ! sounds better or more enjoyable on my Techie than any of my previous Brit belt drives , strange but true :cool:
Prog sounds even better with a Thorens TD150/125 with Quad 33/303 and whatever *good* early 70's speakers take one's fancy ;)
:exactly:Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
I knew I had seen one somewhere. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beobloke
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Is Marco away now, as I believe he had another private "bake-off" to attend a couple of days ago ;)
I don't seem to recal so much bickering between CD player, maybe this world needs more of em.
:sofa:
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This is what happened during July with many AOS members' pc.
The image isn't working for me Sacha? Looks like it is a link to an image on your PC (which won't work) - either attach it (paper-clip) or host it on Photobucket or similar and link to it there. :)
Ah Alex, I'll try. Thanks for helping.
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Is the review ready yet? :)
I've just flicked through all 12 pages and am astonished we never got part 2.
Tell you what Marco, deliver the report on the Nak forthwith and I'll take some pictures at the Audiojumble for you next month - that's a promise!
:D
Lol... I'm waiting for the return session, now that my T/T has been further, much more extensively, modified since the last time I went to Dave's, which will be happening shortly, after he's been round to mine for much delayed visit :)
However, once I've been to Dave's, there will be a full report (this time with proper pictures), don't worry! :trust:
Marco.
Never heard a Nak battleship TT so I'm really interested in this as well.
Hal55
No worries, Hal.
To my ears, the L-07D last time pissed all over the Nakamichi (as did my Techy to a slightly lesser extent), but that could've been because it was fitted with my most sonically hated of tonearms: an SME V (or rather the 12" version thereof), which may have explained the rather 'safe' and 'blandsville' sound! :rolleyes:
I do get the impression, however, that the Nakamichi is much more about representing a 'statement of engineering', and the 'boy's toy' thing, than it is the pinnacle of accurate vinyl reproduction. In that respect, to my ears, the L-07D deserves that crown much more! :exactly:
Perhaps things would be different if the Nakamichi was fitted with a more musical sounding tonearm? It'll be interesting to see what Dave comes up with this time!
It was very interesting comparing my (then) Techy to the Kenwood. It was very close indeed, and Dave was gob-smacked at just how good a supposed 'DJ deck' could sound, when suitably modified, but the L-07D had the slight edge in driving the music home more convincingly, and with the best recordings, creating that sense of 'being there'.
However, the fact that my Techy got so close to it, sonically, at a point where my expenditure on mods did not equate to anything like the cost of a prime example of an L-07D on ebay, was something I was most satisfied with. The real 'proof of the pudding' will come this time, when I've now spent more on modding my Techy (new platter, PSU, tonearm, etc) than the cost of the Kenwood...
It'll also be interesting to hear how hear how my T/T shapes up to his £25k Systemdek, now that I've got the Royal GM MKII at the helm. All will be revealed soon! ;)
Marco.
Yep its a story I'd like to hear the conclusion too:cool: as well.
I use a Dynavector DV505 on my Nakamichi TX-1000, with a Denon DL103r and have found the sound to be suitably musical, although I did use an SME 312 for a while and experienced results similar to those described by Marco - IIRC, Dave had a higher spec SME - was it a 312S, Marco?
You certainly need to work at things with the Nakamichi, but really superb results can be had. I recently purchased a Jools Holland album (with his R&B orchestra) and side B is pressed sufficiently off piste, that it comes close to spoiling the music, such is the manifest wow. However, on the Nak this is not an issue, as the table corrects this 'friday afternoon' pressing, making it completely listenable. That said, records this bad are a pretty rare - I'm just very sensitive to pitch - so the Nakamichi is mana from heaven for me. I will concede that most would view the facility as OTT and, as David Price once opined based on my concession, needlessly complex. :)
It would be interesting to know if Dave has persevered with his Nakamichi, or moved it on...with a £25k Systemdek to play with, I suspect the Nakamichi may be on borrowed time! :eek:
Look forward to the conclusion, Marco
Best Wishes,
Hi Paul,
Yup, it was a 312S. Still rather too 'conservative' sounding, though, not to mention stupidly overpriced, unless you're an SME fanboy, or you buy it simply to marvel at the engineering quality!Quote:
I use a Dynavector DV505 on my Nakamichi TX-1000, with a Denon DL103r and have found the sound to be suitably musical, although I did use an SME 312 for a while and experienced results similar to those described by Marco - IIRC, Dave had a higher spec SME - was it a 312S, Marco?
For me, that's a no-no, as any part of my T/T, first and foremost, must act as the best performing musical tool for the job. I don't do 'hi-fi jewellery'...
That's undoubtedly impressive, and no doubt sometimes useful, but one wonders what the knock-on effect is, sonically, as a result of the added complexity? I'm afraid that, when it comes to audio design, I'm one of those 'keep it simple, stupid' kind of chaps: let's have the least amount of parts used as possible, but of the highest quality. However, most importantly, in a musical sense, everything must work together symbiotically - that's my philosophy! :exactly:Quote:
You certainly need to work at things with the Nakamichi, but really superb results can be had. I recently purchased a Jools Holland album (with his R&B orchestra) and side B is pressed sufficiently off piste, that it comes close to spoiling the music, such is the manifest wow. However, on the Nak this is not an issue, as the table corrects this 'friday afternoon' pressing, making it completely listenable.
Dave's still got his Nak, and favours it to the L-07D, but I think he considers the Systemdek his best T/T. Last time I had a listen, it was gob-smackingly good, and without doubt the best belt-drive T/T I've ever heard, exhibiting none of the common flaws of belt-drives - quite something else!! :eek:Quote:
It would be interesting to know if Dave has persevered with his Nakamichi, or moved it on...with a £25k Systemdek to play with, I suspect the Nakamichi may be on borrowed time!
No worries, matey. All will be revealed in due course. We must have a sesh ourselves soon. I'm going to be doing the rounds this year, as there are loads of people who want to visit me, or want me to go to their place, so we should book something into our respective diaries! :cool:Quote:
Look forward to the conclusion, Marco.
Marco.
Hi Marco,
I think you've hit the nail on the head with the Nak - I do wonder whether the platter construction was/is a limiting factor...the 'bit' that moves is the uppermost glass sheet and this has often been identified as a limiting factor in the sound. Don't know why Nak chose glass over other materials, but the fact they offered a mat to place above this sheet is often cited as an admission that the 'stock' sound suffered with the glass.
Some folk have removed the glass platter, replacing it with Cu 180 mats from Micro Seiki - this has been found (in their experience) to add weight to the music, fleshing it out into something altogether more musical! :)
As for design philosophy - totally agree with you
We must get something into the diary - it would be good for me to have the Onkyo PX-100M back together (long story, for another post :eek:), so we'll have plenty to experiment with! :)
Best Wishes
Hi Paul,
You have a PM! :)
Marco.