Genuinely laughing out loud. Sorry man but you're the first person I've found who thinks that.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulf-2007
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Genuinely laughing out loud. Sorry man but you're the first person I've found who thinks that.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulf-2007
Not at all, Andrew. I think the same, and experience proves it! ;)
Before you disagree so vehemently, I think you should make sure you know *exactly* what Paul means by that statement, as I suspect you're not on the same page.
Marco.
Genuinely the first time I've read that Marco. The usual line goes something like you'd need to spend a small fortune on a cdp to beat a well setup vinyl front end.
I find no ambiguity in Paul's statement.
I know where you're coming from but you need to understand what he meant by the statement he made. Unfortunately I don't have time right now to explain in detail why I hold the same opinion, so maybe Paul will explain himself when he returns? :)
Essentially though, it's about getting a turntable to perform with similar stability/accuracy, and as close as possible to the lack of distortion and quietness on playback, produced by digital sources, whilst at the same time delivering all the musicality of vinyl at its best - and *that* is what costs money! ;)
Marco.
Well I just flat out 100% disagree with that, so there's two people for you who thinks (knows) that.Quote:
Originally Posted by agk
Make that three. :P
I don't really understand the comparison. Digital and vinyl are so different I don't see the point in comparisons. I think a majority of enthusiasts would prefer a properly sorted vinyl system to the same album played from a digital source, all else being equal. I'd probably include myself in that.
As to how good the vinyl playing system needs to be to reach that standard, opinions are going to vary with experience, I feel. For me, a Rega 3 with a budget cart and phono stage falls well short of the mark, but I know others who would still prefer that to £20K of state of the art DCS equipment and some who will go on to claim that the humble Rega set up will 'outperform' the digital at any price.
Personally, I like to hear into the recording and you can't do that on a budget vinyl system, you really do need to spend some money on it, and not on useless bling either.
I gave up on vinyl at the point where I realised I was trying to get the vinyl system to do the same as the CD and how much that was going to cost me to get there. Cheaper just to buy the CD.
If people like how vinyl sounds, and I mean the format, not the music, then they will champion vinyl over digital full stop.
And vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yomanze
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
Exactly opposite to me Martin. Much like beer I guess, in kit, ears and music we are all different and have different tastes too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
Another of those endless topics that can just go on and on ad nauseum.
Although we do agree thats a kick arse cdp youve got there Martin.
No, it can't be, because digital has come on leaps and bounds in the past 20 years... ah, how I laughed.Quote:
Originally Posted by agk
Yeah those 1's and 0's have never sounded better. Except maybe on a Philips cd100?
Now that (along with the CD101) was an awful player.Quote:
Originally Posted by agk
My remark was tongue in cheek but yes they have their weaknesses. A charm too.
No charm as far as I remember: flat, two dimensional players that would pop in and out of an equally flat, depthless, 'soundstage'.Quote:
Originally Posted by agk
The two dimensional thing is certainly a trait of some cd players.
I didn't say I think that, I said it's often been said, stop laughing and get your facts right first.Quote:
Originally Posted by agk
how much does a well set up vinyl front end cost?Quote:
Originally Posted by agk
all cdp's sound the same don't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by agk
No - you're thinking of amplifiers. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by paulf-2007
Or cables.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
Ooh get you!Quote:
Originally Posted by paulf-2007
A well setup vinyl source price? How long is a piece of string?
CD players all sound the same? Nooooooooo.
Yes. It's curious how £100 worth of Cambridge CD player sounds exactly like £10,000 worth of Mark Levinson.
Careful now, Barry's an ML fanboy! :D;)
Marco.
Don't blame him. CD replay doesn't come much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
How much is a slap on the foreskin with a red-hot teabag?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulf-2007
Marco.
That's only if you get a working Cambridge Audio cdp!Quote:
Originally Posted by walpurgis
Is that a belt driven teabag or direct drive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
means what? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Just a wee random ditty :eyebrows:
Marco.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
CD for me (without reading any of the thread sorry , because as soon as the wise words of everyone else hits my brain , I lose the will to construct a proper reply!!!!)
Because - I can slip the cd in that slot and sit in my old reclining chair (which was my mother in laws -very comfy too ) and caress the remote whilst moving the volume up and down at will .
Otherwise its -I dont want that track because I dont like it ,and the crackles etc etc whereas the convinience of cd is so so lazy - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
:lolsign:
It's a score draw IMHO. The fact that there's such a variation in sound quality of both records and CDs, before we consider the merits of the equipment, throws it right up in the air. If equipment was the sole consideration then I'd say that on a budget CD would triumph pound-for-pound (mainly due to detail retrieval) but with more funds record comes into its own. I keep both and they each hit the spot in their own way. If I only have an hour and need a "hit" from a mix of tracks then I'll opt for CD, whereas if I have the time then letting a record run from end-to-end is one of life's great pleasures.
Pete
Radio Paradise Flac is a bit of a game changer. Unlimited free lossless music. Sure, not everyone's taste but a great way to get into streaming.
Yesh, we know how you like shlipping one in, dahling :eyebrows::eyebrows:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddball
Marco.
Vinyl does ma nut in.....Lenco bastard machine!!!
File based audio....buy the CD after hearing it on Spotify or the likes and rip it lossless.
But.....when you spin that black bit of plastic and it comes together-it just does something intangible sonically that is beguiling.
Fuck,Fuck,Fuck its shite having to admit the best sound ive heard hi fi wise came from a record player...its 2017 ffs.
It can get to you Tony... trouble is its damn costly
For me there will always be that ahh moment when the needle drops onto a good record. I don’t get that with digital. Thing is its not cheap to get a good vinyl setup that gives you that.
TT Paramedic en route-Gary is coming over with a vinyl defib and other medical equipment.
I just played John Martyn solid air on the new half speed recording......it just does something that even great digital cant.
Firebottle phono pre amp still warming up!!!
Im cursing myself for climbing into this rabbit hole....its like main lining smack=once youve tried it yer fucked!
I blame Marco and Snapper they filled my head full of pish!!
Ditto! CD/Digital OK for researching music but vinyl for the ultimate experience!Quote:
Originally Posted by wee tee cee