Apologies mate.
The actual thread's provided some intersting reading and I'm interested to hear of your findings.
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Apologies mate.
The actual thread's provided some intersting reading and I'm interested to hear of your findings.
Jeez - Dunn still hasn't got the grace to admit defeat! :doh:
Here's his latest bull:
Perhaps if I thrashed the amplifier to within an inch of its life all of the time, then what Mr Dunn is saying would be correct. Also, is he talking about an electrical load or a musical load, in reference to his assertion that he could revert my amp to Class B? If it's simply the former, then that has no relevance when someone is listening to music in 'real world' conditions. If it's the latter, then I'd love to be informed of (and hear) the piece of music concerned, as I'd use it as part of my listening test procedures in future!Quote:
From AnthonyTD
"Marco's amplifier produces its full stated power of 50 watts per Chanel whilst staying in its Class A region (my hi-light).
I really, really hope he gets this now and leaves me out of any further debates or silly games he may have planned for Marco, lets hope.
Anthony,TD..."
Now we are getting to the truth of the matter, this is another ploy of the push-pull so called class A amp manufacturers - only claim the spec of the amp to the point that it *should* never come out of class A. Well as he perfectly well knows this depends on load and I could definitely put a load on the amp that would make it revert to class B, and I am sure the way Marco uses his amp to try and impress people by pinning them to the back wall (soft clipping), at that point it has reverted to class B - so ergo it is a class AB amplifier.
The fact is, however, even when I play the amp very loudly, when people are round for a sesh (as all of us here do who actually have friends and aren't too old to enjoy loud rock music ;)), the Copper amp is still operating well within its Class A power envelope, as you only need a few watts (and the few watts required for that task are unquestionably, and measurably, in Class A, as has been demonstrated already by Anthony and Nick), when the amp is operating within that zone, to create very loud SPLs (in a controlled and musical way), when using 95db efficient 15" drivers, in huge cabinets, playing music in my relatively small room.
Therefore, given that's case, I'm 100% happy (and as it's my amp being discussed, that's all that matters) that, during 90% of my music listening, which is done at normal levels, the Copper amp is operating well within its Class A power envelope; ergo when used thus, it is a true 50W Class A push-pull valve amplifier.
One further point, regarding this from RD: "Marco's so called class A push pull amp reverts to class B somewhere in its gain range depending on load...."
Possibly, although due to your lack of knowledge of how my amp has been designed (as has been evidenced before with your errors, regarding wiring looms, etc), and valve design topology in general, you can only surmise when, or indeed if that happens, when the amp is being used well within its performance limits, which is 90% of the time (as it doesn’t get thrashed often)!
You haven't measured or even listened to my amp under ANY conditions. Therefore, rather than being factual, your assertions, in that respect, are thus no more than conjecture.
*That* is the crux of the matter in this ridiculous dispute, so Mr Dunn can bleat away to the contrary on his toy forum, making himself in the process look like a dickhead to those with any proper understanding of electronics, and with everyone but him safe in the knowledge that he's been hoisted (rather hilariously) by his own petard! :D
Now, as Anthony and Nick, two highly respected audio engineers, have very eloquently stated the undisputable facts of the matter, I must apologise sincerely to Paul for messing up his thread, and ask that we all (including me), depart from the dispute about Class A and finally get the thread back on topic :cool:
Marco.
Hi Martin,Quote:
Originally Posted by realysm42
Unfortunetly Its a long standing obsession RD has with AOS, and Marco in paticular, As this is Paul's thread originaly about his adventure's into Tannoy dual concentrics, i would ask that Marco moves all comments on the subject of RD to the dedicated thread started. :)
A...
If Paul would like that, then I will most certainly oblige. However, it might make the other thread difficult to read in its proper context.
Therefore, I'll leave it up to Paul. If he's fine with leaving the last few posts about Class A 'as is', with the promise that there will be no more 'unwanted interruptions', then that's fine, but if not, the OT stuff will be moved to the other thread.
Paul, just let me know what you're happy with :)
Marco.
Happy top leave the comments as they stand as Marco suggests. Just trying to keep a semblance of the original thread intact ;)
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reffc
Nice one, mate. The ridiculous dispute is over, as far as I'm concerned, so I'm off to listen to music on my 'kid-on' Class A P/P valve amp, and he (Dunn) can do the same on his Class AB/B/C/CBA/FUK, or whatever his idiocy that day, deems it to be, amp! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reffc
Marco.
Retrieved from earlier:
Top man. I'll defo take you up on that! :cool:Quote:
Hi Marco,
they'll need 50 to 100 hours to bed in but after that if you'd like to bring your amp, then you'd be welcome to come and listen. Of course, it's all dependant upon the Harbeths being sold first!
Marco.
The new Tannoy stands should be ready around about the same time but for now am keeping the details under wraps ;)
My guess is that the largest market for those would be the Far East.
:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Reffc
And one here in the west midlands:)
Here's hoping the price isn't too :eek:
Oh, and don't forget my AOS discount! :D
Prices yet to be determined Lewis...it'll depend on whether we go for the solid American Black Walnut or use a quality walnut veneer, not that the final buyer would be able to tell the difference such is the quality of the work from David who does the joinery for RFC (Cherry also available). I'll be trying a few out before I settle on the one that goes to market. Prices won't be astronomical though. Bear in mind that good timber isn't cheap and really good cabinet makers aren't ten-a-penny! If you're interested, I can give you a few details of what to expect and ballpark pricing in a PM.
Please. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reffc
Well, guess what rolled up yesterday?
Clue:
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Do they sound good?
Too early to jump to any firm conclusions as they'll need 50hrs or so running-in, but they're fabulous right out of the box. Far more musically involvng in my room than the Harbeths were, with better imaging and bass. Slight lift in the mids but once the bass driver loosens up and everything settles down, they can only get better. I strongly suspect that this could be my final loudspeaker purchase. Fabulous sounding.
Anyone tried these with AN's Otto SE?
If they sound as good as they look Paul I would be inordinately envious ;)
Enjoy mate!
I see from your pics you have the treble energy setting at +1.5, do you prefer it like that?
Fantastic looking bits of kit; I wish some of you guys lived nearer, I've never heard Tannoy gear.
I had them like that to start with but have now moved them back to the mid setting. I found that Tannoys take a bit of adjusting to because they're not as forward as most modern speakers yet give away nothing in dynamics and transient response. You can be fooled into thinking "where's the detail?" but it's there, it's just that it doesn't shout at you. After an hours playing, I adjusted to their sound and moved the treble energy plug back and it gave a better balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewis
These have now got about 8 hours playing on them and they're beginning to open up nicely in the bass which is exceptional in quality and extension. Already have my first few visitors to listen to them! Got a posse coming down en-mass from the Midlands on Saturday for a listen...at this rate I'll have to become a Tannoy dealership!
Hi MartinQuote:
Originally Posted by realysm42
I travelled close to NW London to audition a pair of these before making my mind up and it was £30 diesel money well spent!
Looking good, Paul. Glad they're hittin' the spot for ya! Pleased too that we have another Tannoyista in the AoS ranks - enjoy! :cool:
Marco.
Yup...sounding good. Having fun with an upgraded OTO SE (Jensen and Black gates everywhere) and 10w of single ended amp has no right to drive these as well as it does! (and very nice too I might add).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
After a bit of playing around i also ended up with the mid setting, and find they can be listened to for long periods without fatigue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reffc
Where did the OTO SE come from?
Audio Note and Tannoys are a match made in Heaven ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reffc
The OTO se is a very nice amp as you have now found out, the newer version has c cores fitted :D
Having now tried them with an OTO SE it's very clear they're not a good match. Great bass performance (astonishing in fact) but too much mid range bloom which exacerbates the slight mid range lift at 1 to 2KHz. Nice treble detail though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonboy
Tried them today with a single ended KT88 amp (running twin KT88's in parallel per channel) and that was much better, but oddly lacked the little 10w OTO's bass response. Lovely mids though.
They are not particularly easy to drive/control - I wonder what the impedance curve is like ? You need an amp with a bit of grip.
Hi PaulQuote:
Originally Posted by Reffc
I cannot comment on either the Glenair or Turnberry specifically because I have not heard them but intuitively the more refined of the two is likely to be the Turnbury as it is a more sophisticated well-developed design in its 2nd iteration with better binding posts etc. hey are also prettier imho with more attractive design. Your room is also an important consideration. A 15" driver in a modest space is not always a good thing. The Turnbury's are likely to suit the smaller room better. I would try to borrow both and try them in your own room.
As a long time Tannoy user I know that they need very careful matching with cables and other equipment. Horn tweeters badly set up can part the hair at 50 paces and singe your beard if you get too close. I can also say that I have heard the DC10's sounding impressive so it could just be that the set up you heard was not top hole. It is difficult to be conclusive apart from saying you need more information to make up your mind.
I am not sure where you are but if you are in the South, Dave Ruffle at Heatherdale Audio in Worthing is very helpful.
David :)
I've got Westminster Royals and my wife has excommunicated me!!Quote:
Originally Posted by walpurgis
David :lol::lol:
Thanks David but already bought Turnberrys and have them in. They're great loudspeakers and suit me down to the ground. Dead easy to drive even with flea powered amps (I've used one) but as HiFiDave points out, they prefer more power and grip. The Croft micro 25/Series 7 is more than enough and produced stupendous bass from them. I don't agree that they are cable fussy at all (cables are what I do) having tried various cables in the upstream chain, and whilst not particularly amp fussy, its the room/speaker relationship IMHO together with personal tastes which dictate the amp.Quote:
Originally Posted by tannoyman
They do need careful amp matching in order to get them right for your own particular space and music preferences. I had them hooked up to a KT88 SE Mastersound amp (30 watts of pure Class A) and that was wonderfully polished and refined plus reeled in the 1-2KHz lift but it lacked bass depth. By contrast, the Crofts produced an almost obscene amount of (very well) controlled bass totally out of keeping with the cabinet size (and better bass than I've heard from many 15 inch Tannoys), but lacked the Mastersound amps finesse.
It goes to show that these speakers cannot be judged on a single audition on a single amp. you need to experiment with the amp and when you get it right, they reward in spades. I had SHL5's before, and the main difference between the two (besides the much deeper and more powerful bass of the Tannoys) is that were I wanting something to mix music with in the studio, I'd choose the clear sounding flat response that the Harbeths gave. If I want something to engage the emotions and plonk into the living room, it would be the Tannoys every time, so the switch from Harbeths to Tannoys for me at any rate was a big upgrade in that respect. I enjoy what they do well a hell of a lot better than what the Harbeths gave me.
The SHL5's in hifi dave's room actually have very deep bass with notes you can feel, not the mid bass "thump" exhibited by many other speakers including my BC2's and LS5/9's, the latter rolling gently away but still with output of lower bass notes, albeit at much reduced level. The treble "quality" of SHL5's is also system dependant, being sweet with some material and not with others. The thing is, all of the better "BBC influenced" speakers do really well on voice and acoustic instruments and the latest Harbeths "do" bass properly as well, with none of the cabinet "breathing" my Spendors exhibit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reffc
I just feel I need to give an alternative view. I like the Turnberry SE very much in direct comparison with the SHL5 and also some Zu Druids I heard at the same time - wonderful with the wick up but shrinking alarmingly with volume reduced (EAR 599 and LFD amplification I remember), but still regard them as a backward step. The listening room is the final arbiter, and listening to several different speakers in different venues in a day? is a total waste of time, since one's ears take a couple of hours to settle each time after a spell on public transport or haring around in a car from one venue to another. BIG Tannoys are a different matter though, but had I the money and space to place them, I think I'd rather have some M40.1's instead and put up with the compromises involved in a three way speaker :)
Not sure I agree, Dave. Harbeth SHL5's are perfectly fine (as are AN-E's) but give my 15in MG's any day. In my experience, Tannoys in general (including the smaller Turnberrys which I heard at Paul's today) couple to the room better and are more musical, Harbeths may measure better in some rooms, but I don't think in general they do music the way Tannoys do. I certainly don't recognise this shrinking phenomenon you mention. Backward step? Only if you are a Harbeth diehard.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
Anyway Harbeths in my view are fine for your mixing studio, but give me Tannoys any day for a night (or indeed, a morning or an afternoon) of enjoying tunes. Especially with a good valve amp. (Interestingly enough though I haven't tried the EAR599 with my MGs I did try the EAR509 monoblocks and found them musically wanting by comparison to my Tube Distictions KT88 PP, so might have been the amp that was the issue - getting just the right amp for mine proved a bit of a mission, it wasn't about watts either, plenty supposedly more powerful amps proved to be a disappointment).
In a more suitable room, SHL5's "do" music better than almost anything out there. 10" Turnberry's just don't go lower - they can't with that claimed sensitivity - it's physics guys, not opinion. The Harbs can sound incredibly musical, and I've heard them with a good few amps now in recent years, as well as several different pairs to gain a degree of sample consistency. You want lush? Partner them with a £1K Icon Audio amp. You want musicality and clearer, then look at EAR, or Croft, or the £2K Icon amps. You want iron grip? Then look at Albarry or LFD (yes I know hifi dave has all of these for sale, but I'm limited here, despite all the fine tuning these different amps produce...). You want them to ROCK? Then I know a good working vintage Crown DC300A sounds incredible with them and with musicality and grip too, 10% resistors and forty year age included :lol:
Anyway, "we've" moved on now. Enjoy the journey. Maybe turning up the tweeter level by a notch as I believe Steve Toy has done with his may offer a slightly different perspective.
Yes, they do. Don't know why you seem to have a bee in your bnnet about this as its what I like that informs my choices, not what I'm told I should like.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
I've had both. In a nutshell, the Harbs were nice and clean, compromised in the quality of the bass and the extension. they'd make a great monitoring loudspeaker (no surprises there). For emotional involvement and scale, the Turnberrys win hands down IMHO and IME.
No amount of "Telling" me that the Turnberrys aren't up to scratch makes it true. Its your opinion and one I don't happen to share. Each to their own, but the Tannoys do it for me.
Yeah, I suppose I do have a bee in my bonnet when people do such strange things. Still, we all feel music differently and have different vibes about the gear we use to play it on and it's your hard earned money you're spending. I'll shut up now (:clap:) and let you get on with it!
Thing is no two people (even when they are well up on these things) ever have exactly the same tastes or opinions. What I prefer isn't for reasons (particularly) of perfection or accuracy, its far more subjective. I've said over and over that the Harbs are great speakers but they do have their limitations, and the Tannoys simply don't have the same limitations. As for bass, well, the Tannoys use a larger driver in a 100 litre (3.5 Cubic foot) vented enclosure, compared with the Harbeths 8 inch woofer in a 2 cubic foot enclosure. The true sensitivity of the harbs is much higher IMHO than claimed, so its no surprise the Tannoys move more air and drop lower. What I was amazed at was just how low they go. I have several recordings here where the Harbeths simply rolled off, but the Tannoys don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
Yes, the Tannoys are slightly coloured in the mids where the harbs aren't but I prefer the Tannoys treble and their bass and scale, plus they are more revealing of amplifier changes where I'd argue that Harbeths have their own character that mask amp traits, hence they're said not to be amp fussy and that was certainly what I found when using them.
Does all that make the Tannoys a downgrade? No, of course it doesn't because that's simply not true and in listening, is simply not the case...at all. Harbeths no-matter what their following, are not the be all and end all of loudspeaker design. They're very good indeed and the finish is exceptional. I have a great deal of time for Harbeth as a company and Alan Shaw deserves a great deal of credit for what he's achieved. I happen to prefer the looks and performance of the Tannoys as do many other former Harbeth owners.
"Strange"? Such as what?? :scratch:Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
Marco.
Nobody has mentioned that the Tannoy Turnburry eliminate one major variable - stands. I must admit on a couple short hearings of Harbeth HL5 they struck me as a little clinical and lacking weight. Anyway in my opinion a great floorstander is always going to outperform a great stand mount. The Tannoys have larger cabinets and bigger drive units which generaly equates to a bigger deeper more musicaly convincing sound.
I wonder why these former owners never seem to sell them on on regularly searched selling-sites, unless they bought them for fashion (they do get more mentions these days) or tried to use them in an inappropriate room with odd amps with suspect characteristics in the bass (he knows who he is and I ain't telling :)).. You see, I have NEVER accused them of over-projecting the mids, in fact the bass is so powerful I don't think I could use them in my room, nor the current C7's. My choice, which I reckon you'd dislike for the very reasons I love them, would be the 30.1's, which take over from my increasingly much loved LS5/9's, which seem rather more temperature sensitive than their spiritual replacements..Quote:
Originally Posted by Reffc
100L boxes eh? Maybe it's because they sit on the floor that I didn't clock this - apologies. I'm not likely to re-visit the Turnberry's sadly, as they're a commercial disaster for very small UK dealers to take on, the retail price charged over here, unless they sell them close to trade as "ex-dem." Glad you like them so much (I did too in fairness) and look forward to reading your adventures with them - seriously :)
Note to self - to not interfere in other's decisions, especially when there's a contradiction. Must be the ex-dealer coming out in me :punch:
Got it in one I think!Quote:
Originally Posted by Audioman
Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
Turnberrys are not that often seen in the classifieds IME and as for commercial disaster? Dealers may not get the profits they're used to making on them in the UK, but Tannoy manage to sell them by the bucket load to the Far East. They have no shortage of sales for them and the UK is not the primary market. IMHO there are far worse speakers being sold at three times the price.
The 5's weren't in "the wrong room" nor driven by "odd amps" (what and "odd" thing to say about the amps :scratch: not to mention presumptuous regarding the room since you have never visited my room nor know anything about it). I just didn't like having them so far out into the room to sound right when it was a room for living in, not a dedicated listening room (a point you seem to have overlooked). Yes, it was a consideration that I should have made beforehand but I was hoping that they wouldn't have been so placement fussy. They simply do not have the astounding bass that you seem to attribute to them, and I don't know where you get that from...are you confusing them with something else? Bass is tuneful and reasonably deep for the enclosure size but no more than that. To claim otherwise is very misleading (do you have shares in Harbeth by any chance?). The Tannoys on the other hand do produce genuine deep and well extended bass. Anyhow, you seem to have made your mind up differently so lets agree to disagree :cool:
There was a pair of SHL5's being driven by an imported transformer coupled valve amp with little to no bass damping and used in a room far too boomy for them - not yours.
With deepest respect and totally academic now, I worry a bit when I read that the SHL5 has a forward midrange! This always rings alarm bells that something further upstream, or the room, isn't right somehow (I'm pragmatic and work from decades of setup/installation exeriences here). If anything, the balance of this range of speakers, certainly the domestic models, is designed to be slightly on the warm side to encourage and support low level listening which is part of the wonderful vibe I have for them, since having to turn the volume up to get the detail is always indicative of a mismatch or problem somewhere. Seriously Paul, if you found the SHL5 mid-forward, then you really wouldn't like any of the smaller pro-active models out there, since many still seem to exhibit the inverted "V" response to magnify the glare frequencies and allow use on desktops.
I'm doing it again, sorry! I know Alan personally, am still in touch with him from time to time, and sold these speakers' ancestors from the very start in 1977 as well as having regular exposure to the current ones. I suppose I'm as totally commited, positive and fond of the range as Marco is of his Tannoys and I get too involved if there's an issue :)
If you haven't got this already, please try to get the ep "Mindworks" by Sam Brown. The Turnberry's won't have an issue with this disc at all methinks, but if there's any midband or crossover problem with the speakers or system, you'll hear it in seconds (ask hifi dave or Alex_UK, I've tortured them with these tracks on AVI speakers a couple of times...) since Sam's voice will make you wince if there's an issue, but not if the speakers are properly balanced and their interface with the room interface is a good one.
Dave you seem to be taking the fact that Turnberrys do some things better than the SLH5, and that consequently Paul sold the SHL5s to buy Turnberrys, rather personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
In fact you are coming across like you can't let go of the fact you lost the argument, and are over-compensating by talking down like you think your are on Mount Olympus or something dispensing godly wisdom to mere mortals.
No-one is affronting your manhood here, they just prefer a different speaker. The 'reason' doesn't need to be because they are deaf or because the amps are wrong. Your preference is your preference, there are no absolutes here.
I can appreciate the nice stuff Harbeths do as much as the next man, but they don't light my fire emotionally either, give me a Tannoy any day.
I've also compared the two together, side by side not days apart and stand by my opinion, which is totally irrelevant now in any case. Time will tell. Lost the argument? Well, I thought it was a robust discussion of two speakers costing well over two grand the pair (the Tannoys now retail at £3500) and in the same way the OP is now changing amps at a rate of knots to get the speakers to perform the way he wants, the SHL5's were used with an amp that I think was the wrong way round (should have been an R preamp with standard 7 power for example, since the R version of the pre brings subtlety and finesse that is diluted in the otherwise excellent stock model).
Yep, I know shouldn't give a toss what other people do and, as Jerry will confirm, I have difficulty with serial box-shifters too :lol: Each to their own and I'm trying to understand it. I've just had too many experiences with myself in the past, blaming what turns out to be the least problematic part of a hifi and changing it, causing ever more problens subsequently. It's a bit like a reformed smoker evangelising about not smoking, if you see what I mean.
All this is after the event. The OP has made his choice and must live with the consequences. No doubt the source, cable and amp journey now embarked on will prove great fun, if costly :)
That's it. I'm done.
Didn't you say that before? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
I suspect merely 'medium rare', rather than all-out crispy! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
Marco.
With the greatest of respect Dave, cobblers ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
There will be no change of cables, sources, fuses, or other hifi related regalia.
Just because you don't agree with what others have found regarding Tannoys doesn't make you right, no-matter how firm your opinion is. What's more, you really have no idea of what I paid for them (another preconception of what might or might not have transpired financially speaking).
The Croft standard preamp is a gem, and whilst the micro25R is even better, to suggest that the micro25/7R pairing was "odd" or even "wrong" for the Harbeths or the Tannoy is no more than your opinion since just as many folk recognise just how good the standard Croft preamp is and have exactly the pairing I have.
Yes, this is the 2nd speaker change this year but so what? I can afford to do this, I love my music and having heard the Tannoys, they floated my boat far more than the Harbeths did. I am more than happy that there will be no more loudspeaker changes since I now have something that works for me. I am not a serial box swapper by any stretch of the imagination although I have swapped a few components out this year, but even if I were, it's part of a hobby and so what if some folk just like listening to as much kit as they can as part of their hobby? That's not a description of me as I do not fall into that camp. I have secured what I believe will be the last loudspeaker change I will make, it is a "destination" loudspeaker for me and of that I have little doubt.
This is a nonsense debate since it factors around your affirmation that from on-high you are being fairly disingenuous not just towards a pair of excellent loudspeakers but also towards the owner of those and the conclusions you jump to are without any basis except your own prejudices and opinion.
Tom has repeated more or less what I've already said, so I'm not alone in saying this again:
Harbeths are great, Tannoys are great, but they are very different and I personally prefer Tannoys for listening pleasure, end of. I am really not interested in anyone else's opinion of them. You should also know better having been in the trade, that knowing Tannoys as you should, that they are more amplifier fussy than Harbeths, and searching for the right amp pairing is essential to get the best from them. Tom I know has had the same journey and can equate with this.
I appreciate that some of your opinion or confusion is perhaps charitable by nature since you don't obviously want to see someone going down an endless path without a destination in sight. That is, however, not the case. There is one final tweak to make and I'll have everything as I want it, end of journey as far as I am concerned.
Not cobblers at all sir! Am I not allowed an opinion either?
We'd better agree to strongly disagree 'cos this will get us nowhere. I'm not going to back down from my assertion that the SHL5's are in fact the better product (and a grand cheaper too if bought new), but it's not my money or taste we're talking about.
I DO know the current Croft stuff rather well, but couldn't understand why you went for the "inferior" preamp but went with the more expensive (and un-necessary with SHL5's) power amp instead. Surely an "odd" choice from my point of view. I mean, a Series 7 standard model easily reproduces the differences in subtlety of all the preamps, from basic to RS - and this with humble sources as well, the better preamps bringing more "expression," "passion" and "feeling" into a suitable recording.
Marco, I'm not so much "done" as burned to a crisp on this, but I'm not changing my mind. Mind you, all this waffle will enable the Turnberry's currently on fleabay to sell more quickly :) and that's not a bad thing.
Enjoy your Turnberry's and hope you find an amp that does the business for you. The EAR899 was rather nice with them I recall...
One other thing that needs clarification David.
You said:
Steve hasn't actually touched the tweeter level since having his speakers :lol:. It remains in the centre position. His view is that if you have to fiddle about with the "treble energy" control there is a problem elsewhere in your system. I tend to agree having left mine in the centre position.Quote:
"Anyway, "we've" moved on now. Enjoy the journey. Maybe turning up the tweeter level by a notch as I believe Steve Toy has done with his may offer a slightly different perspective."
You're probably right though David about the EAR. The 899 is a very fine amplifier. They don't come up that often though and when they do, they're far from cheap.
I don't think language like "strongly disagree" makes any difference since you either agree or disagree, and in this case you disagree. I have no problems with that as it's your opinion, and despite the debate, I do respect your opinion as what you genuinely believe. What I do have a problem with though is your assertion of your opinion as "fact" when its nothing of the sort. You are right though, there has been an awful lot of waffle :lol:
You don't like Tannoys..fair enough. You don't rate Turnberrys...fair enough. You prefer SHL5's...fair enough. That's your choice. Having owned both, I have exactly the opposite opinion to you. I have no idea why you think that this thread will help sell some speakers on Ebay as that has nothing to do with anything (what an odd thing to say). This was started initially as an enquiry for those with experience of Tannoys, including Marco and others, to give me their opinions on which might suit my preferences and some good advice was offered.
I listened to various set ups and compared them against the Harbeths following which I could have kept the SHL5's. I chose to buy Turnberrys as I preferred them and by some margin. All you've done ever since that has happened is chipped in to tell me (and others) how "inferior" they are, plus questioned my choice of amplifiers, my motivation and made some personal remarks and observations which are, quite frankly, none of your business. I do not have to justify to your good self why choices were made. This was meant to be a friendly and informative thread about Tannoy loudspeakers,but instead has been hijacked because of your personal dislikes and I have to say, it has soured what was otherwise panning out to be quite an enjoyable thread with some great contributions from others.
You do have a bee in your bonnet, please let it out. Its only hifi and not worth raising your blood pressure over ;) We've already agreed to disagree :cool:
My old SHL5's didn't sound very good on one type of valve amplifier (P.L Prologue 2 I think) but on the end of a Radford it was a different kettle of Carp. I still like the sound of the SHL5's but my speakers are now 3x the size of them so differences would be quite obvious. Then again SHL5's and Tannoy DC's are like chalk and cheese in just about every way so I couldn't compare them equally.
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Originally Posted by The Black Adder
Hmmm 3-1 for Tannoy vs Harbeth here and I can think of two more at least from other forums, flogging off Harbs in favour of DCs seems to be a bit of a trend ...
lol.. in my experience Tannoys do something other speakers can't. Maybe it's the driver being so central that everything sounds so clear and natural?.. I dunno... Pixie dust?Quote:
Originally Posted by montesquieu
When I heard Tannoy's I just had to have em.