[errr, borrowing and modifying phrase from Capitan Slow] You are a cock?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
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[errr, borrowing and modifying phrase from Capitan Slow] You are a cock?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
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Originally Posted by Richard
Will you be mixing up the fat 'n fresh flavours?
That's a bit too cryptic, Rob :scratch:
No, I just didn't want to be a haddock.Quote:
Mikey Spikey [errr, borrowing a phrase from Capitan Slow] You are a cock?
Marco.
I managed to knock of few quid of the AT Marco, take a look here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=023
Cheers,
Mike.
Yeah, Mike, that's cool.
You'll love it, mate. It's a helluva cartridge for the money. It's grossly underpriced considering its build quality and performance. It takes a bit of running in from new, though, so don't judge it too strictly right away.
It tracks like a demon, it's detailed yet totally unfatiguing, musical sounding, and all-in-all highly addictive! :smoking:
Marco.
P.S Have you got the valves yet?
Hmmm... No!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
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You need to quiz your neighbours, mate - one of them must have them :)
Marco.
Got em!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
At least two are wrecked though..... Bugger! :(
Feck... :(
Marco.
Hi fella`s, just caught up here after being a bit rough lately, if you need some adjustments making to the mass of any of the 3 pieces, or heavier parts making let me know, i dont charge for adjusting any i have sent off, have you got Jakes 3 piece one now marco ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Regards John.
Yep sure have, mate - and I love it :)
It could probably do with some more weight, though, to enable me to position the full counterweight balance as close as possible to the arm's pivot point.
What's the best thing to do, send you the smallest brass counterweight balance for you to produce a similar heavier one, or what else?
Sorry to hear that you weren't keeping too well, John. I hope things are better now :smoking:
Marco.
you can send the smallest back and i can do you one at a higher grammage, do you think you can work out heath robinson style ( balance gauge and weight on the headshell) how many grams more it needs to be.
If memory serves that one had a total of 165g + or - 2g.
Was the stub hole diameter 14mm on your arm marco ? also what is the model No for the standard fitted arm to the 1210 ? is it a EPA100 with a differend C/W ?
Hi John,
Just to check I am getting this right...
The current situation is that with all three of your weights in place and moved as far forward towards the arm's pivot point as possible, I'm unable to obtain the correct VTF of 2.6g with my 103. I can only get 2.1g.
So I presume I need more mass on the counterweight balance to resolve this, presuming that I want the whole counterweight balance as close to the arm's pivot point as possible?
I always get a bit mixed up with this! :eyebrows:
Once confirmed, I'll work out what extra 'grammage' I require.
Marco.
If i`m understanding that properly it seems to me you need less mass at the rear end of the arm. or am i as confused as you tonight .or do as j7 sometimes does, add a couple of grams to the headshell in the form of a small polished disk, or something, test it with blue tac first to see if we are both out to lunch.:)
Send me the centre one down and i will reduce it, it would be hard to make another and get the diameter exactly the same as it is in the suite, i skimmed them down as one piece before splitting them.
John.
Nope, you are not confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by thrunobulaxx
If the weights are as far forward as they will go, you need to decrease mass at the rear to increase tracking force. :)
Marco had me at it there for a few minutes, its bloody obvious innit.:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shian7
Seems to me that you only need 0.5 to 1g off, as an experiment take out one of the screws temporarily, each one is about 0.6 g, start with one out and see if you can get what you want, if not enough try a second then third to give me some idea of the reduction needed.
you are trying to achieve quite an exact thing getting you VTW spot on with the c/w at the limit of its adjustment forwards. ;O)
I figure the slightest of skims off any of them will do the trick.
Yeah, I'm losing the plot :eyebrows:
Too many broken bottles in my head today.
John, I'll send you the centre one to reduce the mass slightly - how much though I don't know :confused:
What I'm trying to achieve is 2.6g VTF, but with the counterbalance weight as far forward towards the arm's pivot point as possible. At the moment its slightly less half way along the stub - like in my avatar. I want it all the way along.
Marco.
I just put my reply in my last post and cant be assed to redo it, sorry.
LOL. PM me you addy again, John :smoking:
Marco.
Done, put it in your book this time:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Dont forget to try getting your 2.6g VTW with a screw or two out, i need to know how much to shave off if you have to be butted right up to the pivot end.
Just a thought, the whole idea of the "3 piece suite" version is to be able to use 1 / 2 or 3 of the weights depending on cart/headshell mass, have you tried with the smallest left off, i would imagine you will still get close to the pivot albeit not butted right up ?
Yep that's what I'm using at the moment, and the remaining counterweight balance ends up positioned as per my avatar, at 2.6g :)
So there's still a bit to go for it to be butted-up to the pivot.
Got your addy, so I'll send you the smallest weight to be trimmed.
Marco.
Marco there is not enough metal on the sides of the small one to skim, the threads for the grub screws will become exposed a bit, send the middle one down, i will have it back to you same day.
If i read the above reply right you are only using the large and middle at the mo with them sat in the same place as the old one in the avatar ?
Indeed you are right :)
So you can see how much further I need to get it butted up to the pivot.
I meant to say I'll send you the middle one, as we had already talked about that - I made a mistook :eyebrows:
Marco.
So, when are we getting the (in)famous review of the Technics?
Cheers! :cool:
Alex
Don't hold your breath like I did..... You'll go purple many times over!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by aedagnino
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Okay, okay, I get the message! :lol:
I'll have to condense it though and leave out the pics for the time being... ;)
Marco.
Yawn!.....
Shut it or I'll stick a KT88 up your bum :ner:
Marco.
Hmmm!
Well I have four useless ones sitting here. Maybe I should stick them up another certain 'useless one'!!!
POST IT !!!
Yep, the PO's posterior. The delivery was 'Special' all right!
Any joy on that score yet?
Marco.
Nah!
Think I'll end up just 'putting it down to experience'.
And being forever paranoid and obsessive when it comes to packing big tubes for posting!
:doh:
In Scotland 'tubes' has got a totally different meaning :lolsign:
Marco.
I bet it has..... No doubt involving some sort of deep frying!!! :ner:
Well if you're ever in Glasgow call someone a "big tube" and see what happens! :lol:
Marco.
Blimey, it's been nearly 10 weeks since I sold my analogue bits and pieces and I'm climbing the walls now, having only cd to play. I've chopped and changed the format of my new integrated valve phono/linestage that's being built for me, due to some technical/design issues the latest and final iteration is basically the one I should have plumped for in the first instance - valve MM and linestage. I'm now considering either a MC headamp made by the same fella, or an auditorium23 step-up. I'm hoping to get the pre-amp by the end of the week, and I'll post some pics up then.
I've also replaced the quad active monitors with some rare sony active speakers that have electrostatic tweeters, I owned a pair of these some years ago and should never have sold them, they are every bit as good as I remember playing through the mini system and crap interconnects they are bundled with, my new valve pre-amp has been impededence matched with the amps, so I'm expecting great things from this combo.
Jeez, Nick, you've not sold your KAB SL1210, have you? :confused:Quote:
Blimey, it's been nearly 10 weeks since I sold my analogue bits and pieces and I'm climbing the walls now, having only cd to play.
Marco.
Hell no! I wouldn't sell the 1210 (ever)!....well maybe for a slatedecked mint sp10 mk3!
I'm refering to the phono stage and amp. I had less than an hour with my newly nuded 103pro before I boxed the amps, speakers and cables up and sent them off. that seems like a looooong time ago now. I dont know why I put myself through it. The end is in sight now though and the results should be interesting - there's something about 'active' that I just love.
I wonder how Richard is getting on with his 1210 tweaking?
I don't know I think it's on the back burner...
Thank goodness you haven't sold your 1210. From the sentence above, just for a second, it appeared that way!Quote:
Blimey, it's been nearly 10 weeks since I sold my analogue bits and pieces and I'm climbing the walls now, having only cd to play.
Nick, let me give you the most absolute assurance possible (you can feel free to kill me if I'm wrong :eyebrows:) - if you go the MM valve phono stage route with an A23 step-up transformer, and your 103Pro/KAB-modified SL-1210, you will be in analogue heaven, trust me! It is a phenomenally good combination, of course depending on how good your valve MM stage is ;)
If you want to listen to the effect jump on the train and come up and visit. We were due to reschedule your last visit, anyway, so now's as good a time as any if you have a day to spare :smoking:
I would honestly hate to see you miss out on what this fabulous device does to a 103.
Marco.
Marco,
Have used the Audiotorium with any of the other Denon carts ?
I ask as I'm using a Denon AU300-LC trannie which according the website is for the DL103 and DL301ii models - I'm using a DL301ii at the moment and it's doing sterling work.
However I was thinking of upping the money and going for a better trannie, the AU300LC only cost about £70 imported from Japan.
I know the 23 is specifically for the DL103 but the requirements of the DL301ii are very similar (0.4mv. output and it wants a 40 Ohm load), I'm seriously considering taking the gamble.
Of course I'm still not convinced about these DJ decks you keep using :ner:
Go on Griffo, I dare you!
...together with the s1 transformer I bet you would wipe the floor with any DV, Koetsu, or whatever!
I'd go for it Griffo. Like you say, the spec is very similar, and if you don't like it I'm sure you'll have no problem selling an A23 to the many DL-103 aficionados on forums, such as Scoobs! ;)
Do you know the best place to order one? If not I can point you in the right direction.
DJ decks? LOL. Come and hear one if you want, and bring your own deck with you for comparison. You might get a shock :eyebrows:
What are you using anyway these days?
Scooby-doo,
What are you doing about the A23 - are you coming for a listen, and has the bread bin got woodworm yet? :lolsign:
Marco.
Scoobs, I was VERY tempted by the DL-S1 (I got the 301ii from Audiocubes) and I do think it may end up on the end of my tonearm at sometime in the future.
Marco, I think I may be tempted by the A23. I reread Art Dudley's comments about it in Stereophile last night, and I'm very tempted.
My setup is pretty similar to what it was, Michell Orbe SE and Technoarm. audio analogue Aria has replaced the Dino+ (much more natural sounding and works a treat with the Denon) and then I've added the DL301ii and the AU300-LC trannie. The Lyra dorian is currently sleeping in it's box. I bought the DL301ii to have a play with a budget cart (cost approx £155 on an import from Audiocubes2) and even though I slightly prefer the Dorian I have to say the Denon really does sing and I can't be bothered to swap them back round, says it all about the DL301ii.
I'll have to get a listen to one of the modded SL1210 decks one of these days. I've heard a 'standard' 1200 and remained unimpressed but then sometimes prejudices are very hard to lose.
woodworm...haha
I will come up before the year is out, hopefully before you get the KAB 1210 review up.
I'm going to compare my cost options - a23 vs mc headamp. If I had the cash I'd take a punt on the denon s1 cart and transformer.
Griffo,
I was also tempted by the DL-S1, as I'm sure it would be a superb sounding cartridge and probably better than pretty much anything else that's available. Apparently, it's meant to have amazing midrange detail and sounds as sweet as nut.
The only thing that put me off was the extremely low output (which I've found can sometimes make MC cartridges sound 'weedy' even with a step-up device) and the low tracking force, which again can have this effect as well as the tendency to skip easily and collect lots of crap on the stylus. I'm just not sure it'll have the sheer 'balls' and bass weight of a 103 Pro, which is important to me. I hate anaemic sounding cartridges or ones which make vinyl sound like CD!
You should try a 103 Pro, incidentally - it's a different animal to and much more refined sounding than the standard 103, due to the superior high frequency extension of 55,000Hz (as opposed to the 45,000Hz of the standard model) and some other tweaks, and a total bargain at less than £300 including import duty and taxes. I simply haven't heard a better cartridge than it when properly optimised - even ones at three or four times the price.
As for 1210s, in standard form they are quite simply pants compared to when extensively modified. Don't even think that a KAB-modified one sounds anything remotely like a standard SL-1210! With a standard one you can hear the benefits of the superb D/D motor unit but the cheap PSU, tonearm wiring, interconnects, and horrible rubber mat kill the sound and most of the benefit the motor unit gives.
It really is completely transformed by the KAB PSU, and the (very good quality stock arm!) being fluid-damped and rewired with Cardas cable, terminated in a high quality junction box, which you can use with your favourite interconnects, and the fitting of a good quality magnesium or metal alloy headshell with high quality headshell leads such as those from Clearaudio or Cardas.
Fit the strobe disabler, replace the rubber mat with an SDS Isoplatmat and Funk Firm Achromat to stop the platter ringing like a bell and to provide the ideal interface for the record, and replace the standard counterweight balance for a soild brass one, such as those made by John (Thrunobulaxx). Then replace the standard support feet for Isonoes. Finally, install your favourite MC cartridge. With that all done you've got a seriously top-notch T/T and one which can compete at the highest level, sonically :smoking:
Seriously, I can't listen to belt-drive decks now, unless they're of the really high-mass category, because my ears instantly pick up on the coloration induced by the inferior speed stability and wow and flutter caused by the belt-drive system and/or (in many cases) low-grade PSU, particularly when listening to solo piano, and suchlike.
Basically, an SL-1210 modified as described provides a neutral platform from which to hear the characteristics of your chosen cartridge and your favourite albums in all their glory. If the cartridge has a 'warm' sonic signature, that's what you'll hear, and conversely the same if the cartridge is forward sounding or whatever. Once the weaknesses of the standard deck are eradicated the deck itself has no sonic signature of its own and acts as an open window on to the recording. There is simply little sense of a stylus tracking a plastic groove or the 'bloom', 'thickness', or curtailing of dynamics that is often associated with vinyl when compared to CD - in fact the very opposite!
Hey, I'm almost launching into a review here! :lolsign:
;)
Marco.
Marco,
Nice write up matey :), when's that review due then ;)
It's funny but when I had a DL304 many moons ago, track at about 1.2g and very low output, I did think it was a bit weedy to the point of being a little boring, especially with harder rock stuff. Moving to a Goldring Elite was much more of a fuller picture and the bass drove the music on far better than the DL304.
If I stated on a hifi forum that the Elite was a better cart than the DL304 then most would think I was a bit mad but for my music tastes it was better for a lot of the reasons you mention above.
The DL301ii has a better output at 0.4mv but still tracks very lightly at 1.4g. For me the bass performance is far better then the DL304, the midband is lovely, full of detail and tonal colour, although maybe a little inaccurate but I can live with that, and the treble very sweet but never hints at any brightness - it's an excellent cart.
I've had a DL103 for a very short period and didn't get on with it, although I did look at the PRO version, I think the better compatibility with Rega based arms is what helped me choose the DL301ii and so far no regrets.
I was hoping to have a listen to Ray70's KAB 1210 when he had a bake off earlier in the year but sdaly it hadn't been shipped when we went round there, something which was a little bit disappointing. Maybe I'll get a chance in the future to get a listen, they are certainly gaining popularity amongst forum members.
I still prefer a bouncey, belt driven deck though. I found the Orbe with the DC psu and never connected circuitry resolved many of the problems I had with my Lingoed LP12, especially with the massy platter of the Orbe.
I've got a Lenco 75 at home, bought of ebay and I had the intention of replinthing it, getting a better arm on it, replacing the idler wheel for a new one and giving that a try. that was 18 months ago and it's still on the floor in the spare room :lol:
Scoobs,
Well let's say that I promise to have the review up before Mike finishes building his phono stage! ;)Quote:
woodworm...haha
I will come up before the year is out, hopefully before you get the KAB 1210 review up.
When you say "mc headamp" do you mean active MC phono stage or an actual head amp? The latter are very thin on the ground, and of the ones available, none suit the 103. I'm a little confused because I thought you were going for a valve MM stage, and if that's the case you really need a properly matched MC step-up transformer for the 103 such as the A23 or AU-S1.Quote:
I'm going to compare my cost options - a23 vs mc headamp. If I had the cash I'd take a punt on the denon s1 cart and transformer.
You're welcome to come up any time; I just thought it would be a good idea to hear the A23, with the same deck and cartridge as yours, before you took the plunge with head amps, etc :)
Marco.
Yes I mean MC headamp, the chap building my pre-amp also makes headamps and would employ the same materials as the pre, which makes it an attractive proposition, I cant remember how much he charges for one, so it's likely to come down to cost.
Ah, I see... What you really need to do is compare his MC head amp against the A23 in your system.
I can let you borrow my A23 and send it down to you if you want to do the comparison. I can always go MM for a bit with another cartridge.
Let me know if you're interested. I just want to make sure you make the right decision, and I can't advise properly because the other chap's head amp is an unknown quantity :)
Marco.
Blimey, that's a generous offer Marco, and too good to turn down. He's waiting for V-caps to arrive from the states, so I guess it's looking like the back end of next week, before I get the pre. Maybe he can loan me a headamp, as I've been very patient with him over the last 10 weeks. Can I let you know when I'm in a position to borrow your a23? Many thanks Marco.