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24-03-2010, 16:28
untangle

One guy's test
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Originally Posted by Marco

I doubt that it would outperform it, or vice versa; more likely they would just be different :)

I agree. I own both, and this statement is quite accurate IMO.

Of course, my 1210 is modded to the point where my investment in it equals that of my (used) mint Scoutmaster:
- Jelco 750D
- New bearing
- Cu mat (with cork add-ons)
- Custom external power supply (battery)
- Sorbothane feet
- Reduced motor feedback
- Strobes and pitch control disabled
I used a Denon DL304 (great cart) on both. I also tried my 103R on the Jelco.

Result: Difficult to call. If pressed, I'd give a slight edge to the VPI - greater air and slightly more resolution. Technics is easier to use, however.

Opinion: If I add the external VPI power conditioner to the Scoutmaster, it would have a clear advantage. Of course, at $1K USD or so...

Cheers,
24-03-2010, 16:35
pure sound

I know a couple of people who've gone from SSM (one with the 2 motors & extra flywheel) to an SP10. I don't think either would go back!
24-03-2010, 16:59
Hypnotoad

They have upgraded it to the Scoutmaster II.

Improved motor, plinth, arm and platter.

The price here in the U.S. is $2,400.00 which equates to 1610.00 GBP, sorry I don't have a pound sign on my keyboard.

Which means to me that people will be selling there originals much cheaper, don't you love upgrade-a-holics?:lol:
24-03-2010, 18:42
Marco
Hi Bob,

Welcome to AOS - where are you from, my friend? :)
Quote:
I agree. I own both, and this statement is quite accurate IMO.

Of course, my 1210 is modded to the point where my investment in it equals that of my (used) mint Scoutmaster:

Jelco 750D
New bearing
Cu mat (with cork add-ons)
Custom external power supply (battery)
Sorbothane feet
Reduced motor feedback
Strobes and pitch control disabled

I used a Denon DL304 (great cart) on both. I also tried my 103R on the Jelco.

Result: Difficult to call. If pressed, I'd give a slight edge to the VPI - greater air and slightly more resolution. Technics is easier to use, however.

Opinion: If I add the external VPI power conditioner to the Scoutmaster, it would have a clear advantage. Of course, at $1K USD or so...
Thanks for your comments. It's interesting to have my opinion (based on what I've heard of both T/Ts) confirmed as accurate by someone who actually owns them both! :cool:

I do rate the VPI - as I've said before, because it's properly engineered, well-thought out and contains high quality components, which is what a good turntable is all about.

However, there is one modification missing on your Technics which is highly significant and could lift its sonic performance ahead of that of the VPI.... The bearing mod ;)

Also, the above presumes that your battery PSU is as good as the likes of the Time Step, which of course I cannot pass any comment on - I'm sure it is though!

Marco.

P.S Could you do me a big favour and pop into the welcome area and introduce yourself to our members? This is standard procedure for new members joining our community. Use the other threads there as a template for what is required.

Cheers!
24-03-2010, 23:10
Light Capture

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haselsh1

I have to balance what I said with the fact that if I had 3k lying around I would very definitely buy a VPI Scoutmaster II and an Ortofon Rohmann cartridge. I don't have 3k and probably will never have 3k so for me, it's an SL1210 MkII.

My dream TT in that price range is the new VPI Classic. I drool uncontrollably every time I think about it.

http://www.vpiindustries.com/table_classic.htm
25-03-2010, 00:10
Marco

That's definitely a looker, Mike! :eek:

Marco.
25-03-2010, 01:47
chris@panteg

Stunning looking deck ' interesting motor position ' remember the Pink Link mod for the LP12 ?
25-03-2010, 04:09
untangle

Hi gang, I'm from Santa Clara, CA - the heart of silicon valley.

I'm glad to be a part of this fine community.

Re the above, the "New bearing" that I list is, in fact, Mike New's bearing. I agree - big improvement. I compared Mike's bearing side-by-side with another popular model. I voted with my wallet.

On the PS, I have tried 3 DIY units and the KAB. To me, the 24v SLA sounds best, by a small margin. I have rigged a sonically-transparent auto-charging solution for the batt's.
25-03-2010, 09:04
jonners

Quote:

Originally Posted by untangle

Hi gang, I'm from Santa Clara, CA - the heart of silicon valley.

I'm glad to be a part of this fine community.

Re the above, the "New bearing" that I list is, in fact, Mike New's bearing. I agree - big improvement. I compared Mike's bearing side-by-side with another popular model. I voted with my wallet.

On the PS, I have tried 3 DIY units and the KAB. To me, the 24v SLA sounds best, by a small margin. I have rigged a sonically-transparent auto-charging solution for the batt's.

Bob

Hi Bob,

Your contribution is very welcome.
I presume that you are using a regulator of some sort after the batteries?
Is the 'reduced motor feedback' mod a component change somewhere?
25-03-2010, 09:25
Marco

Hi Bob,

Quote:

Re the above, the "New bearing" that I list is, in fact, Mike New's bearing. I agree - big improvement. I compared Mike's bearing side-by-side with another popular model. I voted with my wallet.

Jeez, dunno how I missed that! :doh:

Losing the plot, I guess.... :eyebrows:

Nice one - well you have a fully tricked-out Techy, then!

Quote:

On the PS, I have tried 3 DIY units and the KAB. To me, the 24v SLA sounds best, by a small margin. I have rigged a sonically-transparent auto-charging solution for the batt's.

Got any pics of that - in fact, we'd love to see pics of your whole system in the Gallery section, but some extra detail on the PSU would be good!

Could you arrange to do this when you get a chance? :)

Marco.

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