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13-07-2009, 00:04
Marco

Once again Richard sees things that don't exist...

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My house is built on a three foot thick concrete slab about 30ft by 50ft - the turntable (as well as the house) sit on that.

So? Why should this make it immune from vibration?

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I have been over 40 years doing this, what do you think I haven't tried.

I don't know. You tell me.

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It is only suspended suspension turntables or rigid no suspension turntables that suffer from this to any great extent - the PL-71 is neither.

Is that a statement of fact and you dictating like you accuse me of doing? Or is it just your opinion?

Read it again and see how it comes across. I could say equally to you, based on your statement above: "Once again the only experience that has any validation is yours!" Where have I heard that before, I wonder? ;)

What you describe is not what I hear, or many others for that matter.

Marco.
13-07-2009, 00:19
WikiBoy

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Originally Posted by Marco

1 - So? Why should this make it immune from vibration?

2 - Is that a statement of fact and you dictating like you accuse me of doing? Or is it just your opinion?

3 - Read it again and see how it comes across. I could say equally to you: "Once again the only experience that has any validation is yours!" Where have I heard that before, I wonder? ;)

4 - What you describe is not what I hear, or many others for that matter.

Marco.

1 - a simple fact of resonant frequency.

2 - it is a statement of fact, again resonant frequency.

3 - due to the peculiar way you reply, for me it makes it impossible to reply to you sensibly, as nothing is congent to the content. Without going backward and forward to the old post I haven't a clue what I am answering. And your post is so disjointed and a mish mash of questions and statements and sometime about a page long and full of demands.

4 - well that is your problem not mine!
13-07-2009, 00:32
Marco

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Originally Posted by Richard

1 - a simple fact of resonant frequency.

Oh I see that explains it *all*, does it?

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2 - it is a statement of fact, again resonant frequency.

See above. So you've tried every available equipment support made to compare the effects?

Also, if you're so blinkered that you can't see that you're doing precisely what you're accusing me of (dictating and stating facts rather than opinions) then there's no help for you!

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3 - due to the peculiar way you reply, for me it makes it impossible to reply to you sensibly, as nothing is congent to the content.

Haven't got the slightest clue what you're on about. What you mean is you can't argue back because I expose how blinkered you are ;)

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Without going backward and forward to the old post I haven't a clue what I am answering. And your post is so disjointed and a mish mash of questions and statements and sometime about a page long and full of demands.

Yet more evasive delusional bullshit.

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4 - well that is your problem not mine!

What others and I hear is just as valid as what you hear. The only "problem" is your inability to grasp this fact.

Now any more of your continually aggressive and confrontational posts and they will simply be deleted. I can delete them faster than you can type them!

Marco.
13-07-2009, 01:57
Steve Toy

At the last count there are fourteen members here who can edit/delete Richard's posts. All have a mandate to do so.

Anything informative and constructive that is non-confrontational will escape the chop.
13-07-2009, 07:09
Ian Walker

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Originally Posted by Steve Toy

At the last count there are fourteen members here who can edit/delete Richard's posts. All have a mandate to do so.

Anything informative and constructive that is non-confrontational will escape the chop.

You could always put him in a corner and stand him on a FRUITBOX....naughty boy:)
13-07-2009, 07:17
Marco

Indeed, Steve. Richard needs to disengage combative mode and learn instead to engage people in a respectful, non-aggressive, non-belligerent way if he wishes his posts to remain intact and to stay here in the long term. This is a friendly community, so we insist on friendliness from our members being shown at all times.

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You could always put him in a corner and stand him on a FRUITBOX....naughty boy

Ian, great idea!!

Or since he likes muppets we could change his avatar to this:

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4227/misspiggy.png

...because he's always moaning like a bloody big girl! :lol:

Marco.
13-07-2009, 09:31
WikiBoy

A twenty ton concrete slab doesn't carry vibration unless it is an earthquake. It resonant frequency is too low, well below the level of hearing and into the level of feeling. There would over 1000 times more interference that is airborne.

Plus it is an energy sink so nothing going the other way back through the turntable would have any effect at all. That amount of transmission would be on the same level as a mozzy trying to bite an Elephants bum.
13-07-2009, 09:43
Marco

All perfectly good theory I suppose, Richard - but I'm afraid it *proves* nothing. You hear what you hear, and I hear what I hear. That's about the only facts of the matter.

I live in a 122 year-old property; I've got not idea what's under the floor (it could be just as substantial as what you have), but in the past when I've used the system downstairs in my lounge on the concrete floor, I can still hear the very marked difference in performance between my gear on and off the Mana supports, and that includes the Techy!

If the PL-71 on your floor is somehow miraculously immune from the effects of vibration (or any other sonically detrimental influences), the only way I'll believe it is to hear it for myself :)

Also, on pfm, per-Sony-fied seems less than convinced that the carpeted concrete slab was an ideal platform for his LP12 to perform optimally, which tends to disprove the earlier theories put forward in that respect.

Marco.
13-07-2009, 10:41
WikiBoy

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Originally Posted by Marco

All perfectly good theory I suppose, Richard - but I'm afraid it *proves* nothing. You hear what you hear, and I hear what I hear. That's about the only facts of the matter.

I live in a 122 year-old property; I've got not idea what's under the floor (it could be just as substantial as what you have), but in the past when I've used the system downstairs in my lounge on the concrete floor, I can still hear the very marked difference in performance between my gear on and off the Mana supports, and that includes the Techy!

If the PL-71 on your floor is somehow miraculously immune from the effects of vibration (or any other sonically detrimental influences), the only way I'll believe it is to hear it for myself :)

Also, on pfm, per-Sony-fied seems less than convinced that the carpeted concrete slab was an ideal platform for his LP12 to perform optimally, which tends to disprove the earlier theories put forward in that respect.

Marco.

Its not a carpeted concrete slab, it is my house, as that is what it is built on.
13-07-2009, 10:44
WikiBoy

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Originally Posted by Marco

Ian, great idea!!

Or since he likes muppets we could change his avatar to this:

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4227/misspiggy.png

...because he's always moaning like a bloody big girl! :lol:

Marco.

See how this is allowed, and yet is bordering on being sueable - go carefull Marco.

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