Oh right.
So, did I pass?
;-)
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Oh right.
So, did I pass?
;-)
My belief is that in hi-fi some people are too stuck in their ways and also that others are kidding themselves on that music is more important than collecting or fiddling with the boxes. Discuss...
Marco I concur with that view, some are indeed so insular and single minded they forget that it's the music that matters not the gear that's used.
As a saxophonist I see or more to the point hear it all too frequently, folks who are passionate to the point of being obsessive Teutonic robots about their expensive pieces of tat, that beats all else.
But talk to them about their music and what it means to them, you get a look that makes you check that your flies aren't undone.
Don't get me wrong I've bought stuff on the basis it looks or sounds good in someone else's system or even been recommended in one of the comics, but know I've wised up a bit more.
If I hear music from a system that gives me goosebumps then there is something worth investigating, be it the music, the person the kit belongs to, or the kit itself, preferably all three.
I tend to trust my ears more but lets say I want to buy a new set of speakers It would have to go down to at least 30hz and have good treble extension but then it will come down to what I hear, and if it will work in my system
We all have beliefs but I like to believe I am open to change but often its experiences that will bring about the most changes; as my strongest learning styles are listening and experiential, my weakest is visual !!
For me I think the subject is two fold.
Firstly it has to be about becoming closer to the music and the more a system can potray the emotional aspects of that music the better.
Otherwise we may just as well just listen to a tranny radio and spend the money on curtains..
That said for me, there is a great thrill and satifaction in achieving the above by your own hand.Even if it may only be in a limited way dependant on ones ability.
The restoration of vintage gear very much falls into this catagory and it never ceases to amaze me how good some of this kit can be.
One other advantage is it can make matching gear easier by adding some mods etc..
This dosen't mean I'm just into vintage gear as I use contempory kit as well.
Cheers
Andy.
Hi Dave,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Cawley
That's all very well, but the purpose of this thread is precisely *NOT* to leave people alone! Some people are insecure and need exposing :lol:
I would like people to examine their beliefs, deep down, with hi-fi or whatever, and ask themselves if they consider their beliefs and current thinking are perhaps 'wrong', or more accurately not entirely right, but are too stubborn or proud to admit it. I think some people in hi-fi are too stuck in their ways and are victims of their ingrained prejudices just as much as some are victims of psychological bias and badge snobbery, maybe without even realising it, particularly those who judge hi-fi mostly on science, testing and measurements, such as Tim F (from the States) I had a lengthy debate with recently.
If we just left people alone there would be no purpose for the thread! ;)
The critical question is: how positively or otherwise do you react when your deeply-held beliefs are challenged, particularly by someone of the opposite mindset where you feel that they may have exposed a 'loophole' in your hi-fi assessment methodology? I'm not directing this soley at you, incidentally.
I want people to stop and think...
Marco.
Well, folks are free to contribute to this thread and 'fess up where appropriate or be left alone. :D
Indeed, I'm trying to expose and tackle the former and would hope that our members are well-adjusted and confident enough people to handle it. The response has been excellent so far, but let's get right down to the nitty gritty...
There have been some excellent views on this so far, which I'll get to later. This is a good example from Dave:
What about your own deeply-held beliefs, though, Dave? How comfortable are you when people challenge them, particularly when you think the challenger has got a point and has exposed some flaws or 'loopholes'? Would you admit it and then reassess your beliefs accordingly or remain stubbornly defensive of them? :)Quote:
Before I was a dealer, my system stayed static for over 5 years at a time, only progress and a greater earning power made me change.
Cats and pigeons?
I think that there are more than a few of the latter populating other forums and in real life!
*THAT* is the key question I'm trying to get to the bottom of with regard to everyone...
Marco.
C'mon then... Lets all hear Marco & Steve's possition with this please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
You two are not teachers setting homework you know! :eyebrows:
In this thread we are merely facilitators ;)
All in good time, Mikey. We're simply testing the mindset of our membership (and lurkers :eyebrows:). I think people who know me well will have a good idea of my position on this anyway ;)
Marco.