HI Richard,
Who is Dave??
You are making a mistake, in my opinion the standard bearing is not suitable for the much heavier ETP Platter.
The softer support material will quickly wear.
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HI Richard,
Who is Dave??
You are making a mistake, in my opinion the standard bearing is not suitable for the much heavier ETP Platter.
The softer support material will quickly wear.
Dave Brooks (MCRU)? Just a guess....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_New
Marco.
Could equally be Dave Cawley .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
I don't think it really matters who Dave is, If Richard uses it with a standard bearing against my advice,
then that is his problem.
In the early days I actually ran one of my copper bonded platters with a Techi bearing, and it
soon showed signs of deep wear on the bearing pad.
I know that the ETP platter is not as heavy, but the potential wear problem is not diminished.
Your ETP platter is quite a bit heavier than the stock item, so I'm inclined to agree with your comments about undue wear on a stock bearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_New
Didn't think he had stocks of ETPs.... :hmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stratmangler
Marco.
He doesn't, and neither does the other Dave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Dave Cawley did purchase a modded SL12xx that was advertised for sale on this and other forums.
That SL12xx had a MNB and an ETP platter IIRC ........
Yeah, there is that... That's something old Creepy has rather 'mysteriously' gone quiet with. He was supposed to have measured it and reported on its technical efficacy. If it was shit, in that respect (according to him), we'd have heard about it by now ;)
Marco.
Yes I believe it belonged to a guy called Littleboy!! who must be well known to many!!
Not to me, Mike. Never heard of him....
Marco.
There was someone selling a platter and bearing on here and on the Wam, I suspect that l that's who Dave is ;)
Hence the 'I said I'd buy' bit, sounds more like a reference to a second hand seller.
He still has the bearing for sale.
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43797
Sorry, Mike. I don't know what you mean, or what you're referring to as "I said I'd buy it"... Are you trying to say that aniki is Dave Cawley? :scratch:
Marco.
Doh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
No I meant that Aniki might be a 'Dave' ( not Cawley ) as referred to by rchinn who said he had committed to buy a platter from a 'Dave'
Aniki ( Dave ? ) has just sold his platter, I just thought it might have been to rchinn.
I thought it was more likely to be a private sale rather than shop sale that rchinn was referring to.
Mind you this is all just theory on my part, and can be confirmed or blown apart once I find out Aniki is actually called, Bert, Tam, Gertrude or Aniki and not Dave lol.
I'm now thinking of just buying Anikis bearing and sending it to rchinn just to get out of this thread lol
I kind of get what you're saying, but sorry, I don't know who rchinn is or what relevance he has to all this... Sorry, I haven't followed the 'story' like you obviously have, so need to learn it from the beginning, as it were.
Marco.
Sorry I should have quoted the post I was referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Quote:
Originally Posted by rchinn
In an attempt to get this thread back on topic can I just say that I managed to pick up a second hand Mike New Bearing from this forum and if anyone has any doubts about the difference it makes to the deck, then just buy one, you WILL NOT be disappointed.
I fitted my one in about 20 minutes, and that was only because I hadn't trimmed the solder stubs/tails low enough to avoid touching the bearing housing and had to remove the bearing and refit it. Oh and a few minutes wasted trying to work out why the bearing wasn't spinning. Fitting the platter solved that one lol.
I'm no technician, and if I can managed it then anyone can.
The bearing upgrade is highly recommend.
Cheers! Happy Easter.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyb
Aniki's name is Adam and it was me he sold his platter to,just to clear that one up lolQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeyb
Hi, does anyone have images of how close the solder tags on the PCB need to be trimmed back for the MNB to be installed to work correctly ?
Thanks
Anthony
Hi Anthony,
I provide a very clear set of instructions with every Bearing. I email these the day
I post the Bearing so that the customer does not forget about them!!!
However to answer your question, the protruding wires if you have some should be trimmed down to the top of the solder pads. This is a very simple procedure done with a pair of nail trimmers, that's all you need to do.
Warning:
There is alternative "advice" somewhere on the internet forums and supplied to at least one customer by a former distributor.
This advice says that the solder ball must be filed down level with the circuit board surface.
This is most definitely not required and is totally incorrect and very stupid advice.
I traced the origin to some forum in France which I could not contact.
If anyone here has further info then let me know as I would be interested to understand where the person is coming from.
Thanks Mike, that makes sense. I thought some of the things I read were not right - need the solder for the components to hold and also connect with the traces on the PCB
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Anthony
I just used a small pair of wire cutters and trimmed off the little tabs protruding above the solder ball, try and remember to catch them all so they don't rattle around and interfere with anything later on.
Takes about 30 seconds to do.
Anthony,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ants
From your quote above have you read alternative instructions, if so where?
Mike,
Just read instructions at http://hifipig.com/mike-new-bearing-...210-turntable/
I thought what was written was a little ambiguous so I just thought I'd double check. There was also some instructions on the web edition of the HiFi world review Feb 2015 (?) but from what i recall it was less ambiguous - however, I have been unable to access this as the particular e-edtion is 'being updated' for weeks now.....A lot of the Hi fi World Magstand website doesn't actually work now.... frustrating
Anthony
Hi Folks,
I have received 8 committed orders for my Bearings and much encouragement from prospective buyers
to make another batch of 25.
So I have decided to go for it! If you are contemplating getting one then please do so now, as I hope not to still have the
remainder in stock 10 months from now.
Hi Folks,
If this works we should have a picture of the internals of my Bearing which I do not think I have ever shown in detail before.
I have not done so before as I did not particularly want to make it any easier for those who would want to copy my rather unique design.
However at this stage I feel I should give others a chance!!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ps9h3exd9q.jpg
I will provide a detailed description so that the value of the Bearing can be appreciated:
a) The large left hand component is the rear or bottom base of the Bearing
b) The thin brass plate is the bottom support attached by the 3 4mm tensile bolts shown in the foreground
c) The triangular component is the coated carbide thrust pad which supports the Ball.
d) The black ball in the center of the assembly is of course the 3/8" precision Silicone Nitride Ball
This ball is fully floating inside the main shaft, and is located at the bottom of the shaft.
The 13.5mm dia. main shaft itself can be seen resting on the Syntered Oilite lateral bearing insert.
Note the counter bored hole to occomodate the thrust ball. The diameter of this hole is precisely fixed to allow the
smallest amount of lateral play and to provide the circulation of the special oil.
e) The cylindrical component with the flange at the left hand side and just behind the ball is the Syntered Phosphor Bronze
Oilite bearing insert.
f) The complex machined component at the top right of the picture is the main Bearing Housing. Machned from a solid
brass bar. Note the large rigid center column which occomodates the syntered bearing.
The Syntered bearing insert is a heat shrink and force fit into the housing to producing the maximum rigidity from the assembly.
When the inserts have been installed into the Bearings I then send them to my Toolmakers who precision hone each bearing insert
individually to fit the shafts which they have previously made, with a clearance measured in microns.
The shafts are precision machined from M22 carbon steel before hardening and Nitriding.
They are then polished to a surface finish of a few microns.
The whole object of my Bearing design some 6 years ago now; was to optimise the limited volumetric space available.
And to provide a Bearing with the maximum length and diameter possible. This I believe I have done.
When the honed and fitted shafts are returned to me I then machine the bottom plate for each bearing so that the Taper
is set to a standard position/height according to a master gauge.
The base plate, carbide pad and ball must be assembled for this procedure.
When all Bearings have been assembled and the end plates bolted and sealed with Loktite, the bottom base of the
Bearing is then filled with sythetic oil and sealed.
You can see the hole in the base through which I use a hyperdermic needle to feed the oil.
This hole is then sealed with a brass pin and the whole back end is then finish machined.
The whole design centres around the extremely high precision polished shaft which provides for exceptionally smooth
yet firm rotation. Something nobody else has has been able to achieve with all the variations which come and go.
I guess it would be evident to the reader by now, why these Bearings are the standard by which all the other offerings are measured
in both engineering quality and sonics which is the most important consideration.
:stalks: Damn well nailed that shut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_New
But, a part of me wishes you would remove that picture. Those that claim they can make a better sounding, better built, better lasting bearing... let 'em figure it out on their own. As for me, glad I bought one these things way back when. Still works like the day I got it (and it's got a bum load of hours on it, now) and still sounds like... well, nothing really. :D
If any of you don't have one of these bearings in your 1200, yet... ...then you just don't have one in your 1200. And, if you're doing the audiophile thing, you are missing out, in my not so humble opinion.
It's nice to see the internals at last.
Good luck with the future sales.
Now you can all see why my Bearings cost just a little bit more than some of the stuff that people still seem to be only toQuote:
Originally Posted by WOStantonCS100
willing to pay hundreds of dollars for. All the "modifications" and "improvements" to the existing bearing are so pointless as they
do not address the single largest problem inherent in it's design.
If I were not producing these Bearings myself and selling them direct to the end customer, they would
need be more expensive in order to cover costs and overheads.
Certainly can.
Thanks for showing those pics Mike
Hi Folks,
I am now preparing to post out 10 Bearings to lucky customers who persuaded me to make another batch of 25.
Some of these people placed their orders in mid Feb. (3 from Norway) and I thank them for their patience.
I now have a further 4 for delivery in about 10 days time, so if you are seriously thinking that you should get one, now
is your chance, as this may really have to be the last batch.
And you now know what is inside!!! (see pics on page 118)
Hi Folks,
Well I guess now that Ian Mac has discovered that it is to much effort in making one-off mods to the old OEM bearings that people send him. I am the last one standing that can offer a totally re-designed Bearing manufactured in batches of 25, that actually does provide superior sonics as 300 happy users will attest to.
However interest apart from sales, has now very much declined to the point where I must state that I do not believe that I will be producing any more. (*I know I have said this before!!)
I was persuaded to produce this last batch by 11 people who were happy to put down a deposit on one.
I now have 14 available, and I think these will be the very last to be made. A sort of late 2016 vintage.
I wish you all the best in the sale of the remaining bearings, but must point out that you keep forgetting about the Funk Firm bearing.
Hi folks,
I have a small number of precision shafts for my Bearings, that are available to be made up into finished Bearings.
However I still need to purchase the brass bar, carbide pads and the ceramic precision balls.
I am reluctant to do this unless I can be sure of getting at least a few more users. As things are, sales for any upgrades to the venerable SL1200 are now very few and far between.
If I can attract another 5-6 customers then I will proceed to make up 10.
I will accept a pre-payment of $300 by PayPal.
Please make sure that you use the ‘payment to friends or family’ option, otherwise PayPal rip me off $25.00 for supposedly buyer protection, whether the buyer wants it or not. And the supplier has to pay!!!!!
I now do really believe that these will be the last Bearings to be available from me. Sad as it may be for the many people who have enthusiastically embraced my upgrades over the past 5 years. And the just over 300 happy users of the ultimate bearing for the Techie.
I can still offer my ETP Platter and Base Plates as these are totally machined up in my own workshop.
I must apologise Cagey,
I tend to overlook all those many people who have tried hard to emulate or copy what I did 6 years ago!!
There are always many snake oil salesmen who try to embellish their efforts by adapting an existing bearing to look like
the totally re-engineered bearing which I designed and manufactured 6 years ago. Before they thought that there may be a few dollars in it for them.
The funk bearing is perhaps an attempt to produce a bearing worthy of comparison with my design. Unfortunately it would seem that he waited to long to do it and has missed the proverbial bus as the interactive interest and enthusiasm for the venerable SL1200 has all but dissipated on a global scale.
The same occured with my original Alluminium Platter, the Copper Bonded Platter and then the ETP version.
I pioneered the concept (and method) that the ferrite magnet could be correctly orientated with the pulse generator, onto
my platters. And of course it was copied by others.
The only upgrade product that no one tried to copy was the Bearing Base Plate which would have been the easiest!!
I do however feel gratified that so many have tried to piggy-back what I have done in the past 6 years, so I will now move on to other challenges.
Hi Mike
Sorry to say this but you are beginning to sound like a record that has stuck in the groove
Nobody has exclusivity on any products , look at fishing gear , golf gear , cameras , the list goes on and on
In most things competition is a good thing , Take cars for a example , you could have a 1 million pound vehicle or a £10.000 car they both do the same job , you pays your money and take your pick
I have supported you as I had a choice and own both your bearing and platter ( only because I had the funds at the time )
I say hats off to all who have the skills re designing and producing hifi components , there is a market for everyone , the lower priced items fit in with some budgets and people will buy them , Some people are brand loyal ( as in cameras I'm a Canon man :) ) other will have used Funk products and will have been happy , some will think improving the std bearing is a upgrade and good for them , they are getting stuck into the hobby and trying these upgrades
Move on Mike , please except you will never have exclusivity same as Funk and Ian Mac won't
PS , I am still enjoying my choice :eyebrows: of bearing and platter > YOURS :) ;)
You are up early Al.
I think in your haste to repudiate my observations you have totally missed the point I was making.
Mike,
Without your products on the market, there will be less choice.
It's a shame, but I wish you all the best with your future endeavours.
+1, and I would like to thank and congratulate Mike for all his work to date in producing the superb products he has for the Technics, which have succeeded in transforming both the performance of my T/T, and most importantly, my enjoyment of music on vinyl. Thanks to him (and Paul Hynes) I now own a turntable that, sonically, is world class!
However, Mike, I can't help but detect an underlying resentment of Ian Mac, and his modified Technics bearings (note that I said modified Technics, not uniquely designed from the ground up like yours), which he's offering our members at not much more than cost, and as such providing a valuable service for those who wish to improve the performance of the Techies, but who unfortunately don't have the wherewithal to buy one of yours.
If I'm right, then unfortunately that attitude, mate, doesn't reflect well on you. It's mean-spirited, smacks of bitterness, and trust me, is doing no favours whatsoever for your reputation....
The fact is, Ian's bearings are aimed at a different market from yours, and as such don't represent *real* competition, but what he does, he does well and fulfils a useful purpose, so you should welcome the fact that even if your 'heyday' is coming to an end [and it wouldn't be, IMO, if you marketed and promoted yourself more, but that's an old story], someone else is taking on the mantle of ensuring that the modified Technics is kept alive! :)
*That* is the important thing, when looking at the bigger picture, and also the fact that with Ian's bearings, more folks than ever are hearing better music from their Technics T/Ts. For that I wish him all the success in the world, and will continue to support him in any way I can, just as I did you, when you first appeared on the scene, as I applauded what you were doing.
Now it's time for Ian to enjoy that applause, so be gracious and allow someone else to have 'their day', and with it thankful for what you've achieved to date in designing what will for me always be known, with your bearings and platters, as the finest aftermarket upgrades ever produced for the Technics SL-1200 :cool:
Marco.
+2 Mike's products are top notch.
The bearing and platter upgrades were pretty dramatic when I installed mine. It's been almost a year now since I did the upgrades and I've been floored at the performance I'm getting, music has never been as enjoyable as its been the last year. I now no longer need to focus at all on turntable performance and I can focus completely on upgrades in other parts of my system.
Hi Dave
thank you for your comments.
It does not seem like a year since I delivered the upgrades to you.
Now that interest has subsided somewhat, I have asked Marco if he can substitute this thread as the sticky thread for the Mike New bearing.
As I believe that with 120 pages and thousands of comments, it represents the upgrade efforts and thinking of very many competent and qualified contributors besides myself, and covering a period of about 6 years.
It would be sad and a loss to all those that may come later seeking help and info on the upgrades available and which they can do themselves.
if this thread were to slowly be lost in time.
Hi Folks,
Two lucky and discerning audiophiles have just received their Bearings in time for the festive season.
I have had 2 further enquiries and now have only 3 available which may be the very last.
I read with interest and amusement the magical effects of bolting lumps of brass onto a standard die-cast bearing which incidentally
does not have a a syntered oil bearing. It has just a plain piece of brass drilled and reamed to loosely fit the stainless steel shaft.
It is to my mind about like polishing the gears on the clockwork motor of a wind up gramaphone.
There is no rigidity of any kind to justify messing about with it, 5 years of experience has proven this.
You know, instead of passive-aggressively whining about someone else's efforts to serve a different price point, maybe you should just let the product and satisfied customers speak for themselves. These constant digs at users of this forum make you seem petty, bitter, and insecure in your own product's ability to fully compete. It's like if VPI got annoyed with U-Turn. Jeez, man. Give it a rest.
I do love it when people get upset!!!
I am only stating a few facts. as the informed and active interest of those over the past few years would attest.
Hardly upset. Your success or not means nothing to me.
I just find it embarrassing seeing a supposed professional so easily threatened by a diy project that they need to inject no-so-subtle digs into every comment made. It makes me question whether your product is actually any good either. You clearly have too little faith in it.
You should go and have a cold shower old boy, your sanctimonious observation really are amusing.
I am only offering opinions on engineering mods according to my past and extensive experience,
in order that others may be guided by my observations and save their money.
Just as in earlier times when others here made silly claims, obviously before you time.
Mike , You call it you opinion , However it reads like you are having a pop at the " Other maker " and trying to put people off Oh and I have 3 bearings left " So buy these instead " " They may be the last " how many times have we heard this in the past few years
Why not design a unique arm or a range of record weights or a cost affective arm / cart set up protractor ?
Move on Mike ;)
Hi Al,
It's good to hear from you again.
Yes that's my problem, I continually have to make additional small batches to satisfy those people who unlike yourself,
embrace the ultimate in Bearing precision and performance.
Do go back over the 120 pages of this thread to appreciate what I am saying, and the observations of the many other informed people.
LMAO! Jesus, you're thin-skinned.