Which Tannoys, folks?

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Originally Posted by The Black Adder

sure, the Tannoy range is a great range but when you pay 15k from such a well known company you would only expect top notch workmanship throughout.

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Yup. Quite simply, there is no excuse whatsoever for anything else! :nono:

If the 'high-end' audio industry wants us, as audio enthusiasts, to support it (and one of the ways of doing so is to buy new products) then it must do something to encourage us to invest our hard-earned money, not drive us away into the vintage arena, in order to obtain satisfactory sound-per-pound value from our equipment.

The only way I'd ever drop £15k on new speakers (and I have the necessary funds) is if I was guaranteed of getting a very difficult time obtaining the same sonic performance by going the less expensive vintage (modded) route. At the moment, the latter is a no-brainer - and not just with speakers!

What should I buy something new if it sounds worse than what I've got?

Marco.

[QUOTE=Reffc;387602]Hmmm,

I very much doubt that £200 to £300 at manufacturing stages equates to 10 times that amount at retail. That sounds like a load of old guff you were fed David.

Hi Paul

You really shouldn't comment on things you have no knowledge of.

That guff as you call it, came directly from the mouth of Andrzej Sosna, MD of Tannoy in the presence of Dr Paul Mills their Chief Designer, at the Bristol Show this year. So if it is guff, it is Tannoy's own guff. I was gobsmacked that it was said because if I were ripping customers off I would not be in a hurry to publicly admit it.

I suppose that this happend simply illustrates the arrogance of high end audio businesses in general and Tannoy in particular because they are certainly not alone.

I totally agree with Marco. If you are looking for a reason why the audio industry in the UK is a dead man walking and why it will continue to be so, look no further. In mitigation, when these guys meet customers they are usually faced with sycophants rather than customers who tell them the plain unvarnished truth. It can be very dangerous living in a bubble and believing your own publicity!

David :) :cool:

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Originally Posted by tannoyman

came directly from the mouth of Andrzej Sosna, MD of Tannoy in the presence of Dr Paul Mills their Chief Designer, at the Bristol Show this year. So if it is guff, it is Tannoy's own guff.

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If that was so then...

BANG!

Another nail being driven in to the coffin of a company that's signed a deal with investors that's simply too tight and restricting. Either or it's greed but I'd wager the former. Buy-out investors have a plan and it's not a very long one, generally. That's pride fuckin witch'a.

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Originally Posted by The Black Adder

If that was so then...

BANG!

Another nail being driven in to the coffin of a company that's signed a deal with investors that's simply too tight and restricting. Either or it's greed but I'd wager the former. Buy-out investors have a plan and it's not a very long one, generally. That's pride fuckin witch'a.

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Originally Posted by Reffc

Hmmm,

I very much doubt that £200 to £300 at manufacturing stages equates to 10 times that amount at retail. That sounds like a load of old guff you were fed David.

Hi Paul

You really shouldn't comment on things you have no knowledge of.

That guff as you call it, came directly from the mouth of Andrzej Sosna, MD of Tannoy in the presence of Dr Paul Mills their Chief Designer, at the Bristol Show this year. So if it is guff, it is Tannoy's own guff. I was gobsmacked that it was said because if I were ripping customers off I would not be in a hurry to publicly admit it.

I suppose that this happend simply illustrates the arrogance of high end audio businesses in general and Tannoy in particular because they are certainly not alone.

I totally agree with Marco. If you are looking for a reason why the audio industry in the UK is a dead man walking and why it will continue to be so, look no further. In mitigation, when these guys meet customers they are usually faced with sycophants rather than customers who tell them the plain unvarnished truth. It can be very dangerous living in a bubble and believing your own publicity!

David :) :cool:

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A little condescending David if you don't mind me saying so. As it happens, I have spoken directly with Tannoy and their world-wide distributor so I do know what they manufacture SOME of their loudspeakers for and what their margins are. I don't have that info on your particular models, so I can only say that if what your were told was true, then I do in fact share your shock and incredulity at the figures you mention. However, most companies will come back and say that they don't have to or need to justify their profits and that is very true, it is a free market economy. However, in today's climate it could be commercial suicide to admit as much and does nothing for customer belief or loyalty. Does that shatter my enjoyment of their products though? No, not by a long way. From what you've described, I would say that you are very happy with what you have too, just, that like me, it is not acceptable to have discovered some of the shortcomings of production. On that I think that we are all agreed.

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Originally Posted by The Black Adder

If that was so then...

BANG!

Another nail being driven in to the coffin of a company that's signed a deal with investors that's simply too tight and restricting. Either or it's greed but I'd wager the former. Buy-out investors have a plan and it's not a very long one, generally. That's pride fuckin witch'a.

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It's about time those idiot politicians banned Investment and Foreign companies buying up UK firms. Contrary to the government plans to 'rebalance' the economy these deals will ensure there is no manufacturing left in the UK. Look at the list - TVR, LVD, EMI.... Cadbury's next? -and now they find these people avoid paying tax!!!

As far as Tannoy speakers are concerned, the fact you have to seal and polish the wood is an utter disgrace when relatively cheap speakers can be purchased with a superb finish. As for pricing, this is probably aimed at the Far East where more expensive equates to better and more desirable. Truth is though compared with other 'high end' speakers the Tannoy range is fairly modestly priced.

Paul.

it shouldn't ruin your enjoyment at all... Far from it, if they sound good to you in your drum then that's the main thing. But maybe there is room for even more improvement if you want to get in to that. Beware though, it's quite contagious. lol

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A little condescending David if you don't mind me saying so. As it happens, I have spoken directly with Tannoy and their world-wide distributor so I do know what they manufacture SOME of their loudspeakers for and what their margins are. I don't have that info on your particular models.


Hi Paul

Sorry if you felt put out by my comments but its the second time recently you have contradicted a post of mine when you know nothing about the subject matter. Last time I came back to you via a PM. This time it needed saying openly. If you stick your neck out and belittle other peoples' comments with no direct knowledge on the basis of opinion you must expect it to be chopped off publicly. Bluff and bluster simply won't cut it.

If you want to enter a debate when you have no first hand knowledge it's wise to ask for information or clarification rather tell the other guy he's wrong. It just might come back and bite you.



David :scratch:

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Originally Posted by Audioman

It's about time those idiot politicians banned Investment and Foreign companies buying up UK firms. Contrary to the government plans to 'rebalance' the economy these deals will ensure there is no manufacturing left in the UK. Look at the list - TVR, LVD, EMI.... Cadbury's next? -and now they find these people avoid paying tax!!!

As far as Tannoy speakers are concerned, the fact you have to seal and polish the wood is an utter disgrace when relatively cheap speakers can be purchased with a superb finish. As for pricing, this is probably aimed at the Far East where more expensive equates to better and more desirable. Truth is though compared with other 'high end' speakers the Tannoy range is fairly modestly priced.

Paul.

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Everyone is after a quick turn around. A quick cash in. Get in, do the deal, get the cash, get out and leave em to it... No proper regulation or mentoring, anyone can jump in, promise the world and bugger off before the spam hits the fan.

Yep... I think Paul has got the pick of the bunch though. I've heard his speakers and they are superb, the Glenair's on the other hand simply didn't pull out the rabbit.

I agree though, not finishing them is very slack indeed. Saying that, you could probably do a better job and make them look even more magnificent because the styling and design of the cabs are really quite nice.

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Originally Posted by tannoyman

If you are looking for a reason why the audio industry in the UK is a dead man walking and why it will continue to be so, look no further. In mitigation, when these guys meet customers they are usually faced with sycophants rather than customers who tell them the plain unvarnished truth. It can be very dangerous living in a bubble and believing your own publicity!

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Ain't that the truth! :exactly:

What the high-end audio industry needs to do is stop pandering to the snobs with more money than sense, who buy into the 'prestige value' of certain brands and treat audio equipment as an 'aspirational' thing (like jewellery or wrist watches), and get back to ground roots and start appealing again to your average PROPER music and audio enthusiast, who's in the game for the RIGHT reasons and who wants the 'biggest bang for their buck', not a 'fancy' badge to admire and a cosy feeling of smug superiority, because they own £15k speakers, or whatever!!

Unless that happens, or until that happens, the high-end audio industry will go the way of the dodo, and all we'll be left with is fooking computer audio and the iPod/mobile phone generation. What a dreadful thought........ :(

Marco.