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Originally Posted by Wookii
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Originally Posted by Wookii
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If I there was a number on Mike's website, I may well have tried it, also given the time difference I figured an e-mail would have been preferred!Quote:
Originally Posted by Audio Al
Mike is ill see the get well soon threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Wookii
There is a UK stockist of bearings, base plates mats and all
Sorry , Did you know Mike is currently in hospital
No, I wasn't aware, I hope he gets well soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Audio Al
Really David? Who would that be then? :D I'll drop you an e-mail :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us
Some bloke flogs the Mike New stuff in the UK, can't think who it is, he's not too bad they say
:D
Yeah, I remember him. I think he's the bloke who sold me my Mike New bearing. :eyebrows:
Nice avatar Clive, are you popping by this weekend at the Windsor show?Quote:
Originally Posted by Clive197
Hi David, don't think I can make it but never say never.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us
Clive
Hi.it would lose big time,had tabriz zi on mine,and it wasnt as good, cart was rondo red,
Hi Gareth.
Yes I have recieved your emails but unfortunately I have been enjoying the hospitallity of my local hospital for the last 7 days.
I have had internal bleeding which put me out of action. No cancer anywhere but very small vessels in my intestine which leek.
So guess what!! I am going to have a pill-cam to locate the problem.
Best of luck Mike! :)
Hello Mike. Hope all goes well and you are OK. I know the feeling when things go pear shaped healthwise. Geoff.
Here's to a speedy and full recovery - God Bless
Regards Neil
Hi Mike,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_New
Sorry to hear of your hospital stint, I didn't realise you were ill when I e-mailed. Glad to hear its not the big 'C' though, I'm currently going through that with my Dad, and its not nice.
David has sorted out a nice selection of your gear for me though, so no problem.
I hope you get well soon and make a speedy recovery.
Cheers,
Gareth
Too much vino and good living, Mikey! :eyebrows:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_New
Did you see this thread: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...-Get-Well-Soon
Take care and get well soon, amigo.
Marco.
Good to hear from you Mike
All the best for a fix and full recovery
Did anyone else see Noel Keywood's article in Hi-FI World ? He replaces the stock bearing with a Mike New bearing and gives his findings. The install procedure is also pictured.
Interestingly the article opens by saying (quote) that as the days of the turntable came to an end in the 1980's, Technics produced one of the slickest Direct Drive models ever; the SL1210 MK2. And continues to say it is monument to Japanese technology, that of the servo-feedback DC motor, but also a product cleverly pared down, Japanese fashion, to bare bones minima to be inexpensive. There's a lot on it that can be improved (as we here on AOS know only too well) and this includes the main bearing, say MCRU.
Anyway and to summarise some points from the article:
It says that the bearing did slightly improve sound quality by way of overall depth perspectives, bringing a smoother feel to images on the sound stage, which were set against a darker background. It also brought more solidity and stability to singers and instruments, firming the sound up to make everything a little more lifelike. The rock steady pitch stability remained so nothing was lost in this upgrade.
Measured Performance showed wow and flutter rose slightly from 0.06% to 0.1%. Their spectrum analyser showed a very low value of basic rate wow at 0.55% (33rpm), as usual with the Technics, but a flutter peak at 7hz that I have not seen before (quote).
It continued to say that in absolute terms the degradation is not large and I suspect subjectively of little consequence. You have to bear in mind that most belt drives measure around 0.2% IEC/DIN weighted wow and flutter. This makes the Technics look good by market norms, especially at the price - and degradation from the Mike New bearing is minor in this context.
Also, a discrete 7hz flutter peak seems unlikely to come from a bearing there is no mechanism that could generate such an effect. This suggests that stronger mechanical coupling between bearing/motor/chassis may be strongly transmitting a discrete vibration. Is this the flutter talked about with Direct Drive, making its presence known due to more rigid structure ?
An interesting article of which I copied some of as above from the copy I purchased from WHS. This is not the article in its entirety.
Noel said the MN bearing shaft was not chromed like that of the stock bearing which he felt was a tad disappointing. (Doesn't bother me in the slightest unless chromed has any sonic benefit?)
HFW gave the MN bearing upgrade four globes out of a possible five.
Verdict: A substantial but neat upgrade that improves sound quality
For: Easy to fit, well made, improves sound
Against: shaft not chrome plated, adds a little flutter
Personally, I think it is great that the Techie and it's upgrades are getting featured / reviewed over pages in such hifi magazines. Now for a feature with the MN bearing base plate also fitted :)
Thanks Robert
Surprising a mainstream mag doing an article on upgrading a old record deck.
Think MCRU could be in for an order or two
Most interesting, Robert, are you referring to the very latest issue of HFW? Could you confirm exactly which edition it is with a date and number?
I ask that because folk sometimes mention about reviews in a particular mag, and I’ll go out and buy it, thinking that the review in question is in the very latest issue, and it turns out it was last month’s, and I’ve bought the mag for nothing…
It’ll be interesting to hear what Mike thinks of their observations - I didn’t even know an MN bearing had been submitted for an official review! He certainly didn’t mention that to me when we last corresponded via email before Xmas.
Marco.
Yep, It’s Hi-Fi World magazine – FEBRUARY 2015 EDITION (down the spine reads Vol.24 No.12). The article starts on page 82. :)
Btw- The article refers to the bearing being from MCRU (Dave) so my guess is Mike may not necessarily know somehow.
Cheers for that, and yes, I’ve just found out that Brooksy was responsible! ;)
Marco.
We probably sort of knew that didn't weQuote:
Originally Posted by Marco
:)
I had suspected that, but have just had it officially confirmed.
Let’s hope it helps sales, and exposes Mike’s superb bearing design to any of the tens of thousands of Technics SL-1200/1210 users worldwide, who care about maximising their T/T’s sonic performance! :)
Marco.
Yep ! and then there's the MN bearing base plate too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Mike New, billionaire and conqueror of the hifi world
(to be)
:)
And both his platters…. Really, what someone needs to do is submit a Techy, to HFW, with all of Mike’s ‘toys' fitted, including everything else needed to show off their (and the TT’s) full potential! Mine would be available for a small fee ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieGong
Marco.
No need chief as we have now discussed this and it will be sorted!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Did you really want to chance sending your rather mediocre Techy to be reviewed in a worldwide publication! Meeoooow! :lol::ner:
:lolsign:
Yeah, best not…! :o
Marco.
I'm not so sure about the billionaire bit all I need is a further couple of million buyers, but I know I can make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMusic
You just never knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike_New
I picked up talk yesterday at my place was how much vinyl is coming back.
Sales of all sorts to do with vinyl could take off.
Let's hope so
I am seeing a steady increase in vinyl related sales from busy to really busy! As an example the knosti rcm, I sold 38 in december, I have to assume these are new vinyl collectors which is great for vinyl in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMusic
The only thing I don't like is all the punters phoning me who have bought Rega or Project TT's!!!!:lol:
At least I have Nick to help these punters get a better sound from their decks with his linear PSU's!!!
Oh, so they are *using* them as well as buying !Quote:
Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us
I imagined it was a lot of talk and an expensive ornament for most
Unfortunately, the rubber-band brainwash runs deep…..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us
Not even ‘magic electricity’ could save them! :DQuote:
At least I have Nick to help these punters get a better sound from their decks with his linear PSU's!!!
Marco.
Mike, what do you make of these comments from the magazine review, in relation to flutter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_New
Have you measured anything like that yourself? What do you think would cause the supposed increase in flutter? If it exists, it certainly isn’t audible on my T/T… You have to wonder, too, if the bearing was fitted 100% correctly, and if everything else on the turntable they were using was functioning optimally.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFW
Marco.
You may recall much earlier in this thread several of us asked for measurements comparing the upgrade bearing to the stock and the response was that none had been done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Improves sound is one of the comments made in the February 2015 edition. Hi-Fi World article. It certainly does, and then some IME. ;) Perhaps Noel Keywood could review another well known bearing produced in the UK. Then compare them. Too much to hope for? Probably:)
Lol - indeed… I fear that NK and DC have too much of a love affair going on for that to happen! ;)
Marco.
No worries. I just wondered what mechanism might be perceived for causing the apparent increase in flutter… I still need to buy the mag, but for those who’ve read it, does it say what PSU was used on the Techy for the review?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
If it was a Timestep one, those can be prone to causing (even audible) wow, which is something I noticed immediately when comparing mine (when I had one) against a Paul Hynes SR3 that Hugo (Shuggie) was using at the time.
Marco.
:kiss:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
I dont have my copy with me at the mo but I'm almost certain it was a Timestep mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Just got in and checked the article - Defo Timestep psu.
If a Timestep PSU was used for the review I wonder where the 0V connection was made?!!@#%??&*^$#
This could account for the figures. Cawley still refuses to accept that he is wrong in the location of the 0V wire, so everyone who gets one of these things is advised to make an incorrect connection to the 0V common rail, which could IMO make a difference to wow and backgroung noise.
Also many comments on this forum over the years have shown that running in the Bearing for about 20-30 hours improves the sonics (and maybe other parameters).
Probably DB supplied a "virgin" Bearing for the review.
Hmmm….Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieGong
It’ll be interesting to see what the results are next time with their Technics T/T, when an MN ETP platter is submitted for testing, along with a Longdog Audio PSU. I suspect that the ‘flutter’ will fly away! ;)
Marco.
Marco,Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
When you noticed the "wow" where did you have the 0Volt connection? The Time Step PS is just your average voltage regulator with the usual components, however it should not actually degrade the sonics unless it has been incorrectly connected.
It would’ve been wherever DC put it, as he fitted the PSU ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_New
Marco.
That probably explains your observations!!!!
Indeed… And where do you think the 0Volt connection was on the T/T used for the review? ;)
Marco.
It could be any ones guess, but it was most probably in the wrong place.
Who supplied the SL for the review and who installed the bearing, was it run in for the generally
accepted 30hours.