Oh Gawd
So sorry to mislead you Marco ' the photo's were just that ' which Dave sent me in his Soundhifi email, i don't have the MK new platter .
Hope you enjoyed the footie and England's new Star Goalkeeper, all of Scotland must be so pleased:)
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Oh Gawd
So sorry to mislead you Marco ' the photo's were just that ' which Dave sent me in his Soundhifi email, i don't have the MK new platter .
Hope you enjoyed the footie and England's new Star Goalkeeper, all of Scotland must be so pleased:)
[QUOTE=Mike_New;129101] There is a particular user in the US (Canada really) who is using my platter with two copper mats plus center weight!! That make the total weight about 10Kg!!!!! and his initial response to me is very impressive, however it is not my position to pre-empt any comments he may post in the near future. He is probably taking his time over doing a series of subjective listening tests. ./QUOTE]
I did get the new platter from Mike - after some small modifications to a high capacitor on the drive board, so that the platter turned freely, the platter was finally ready to play.
The turntable is now using Mike's bearing and his 12 pound aluminium platter
+ 2 copper platters ( 2X4 pounds) + the concave Oracle platter + the 3 pound brass center weight.
The TT is also on a maple hard wood piece and using the multi-element cones from Adona corp (http://www.adonacorporation.com/tweaks.html)
My findings are compared to the previous iteration with the standard Technics platter and the 3 copper platters & the Oracle mat.
Using the Mike New custom aluminium platter definitely brings far superior sonics still using the modified RB 250 and the clearaudio virtuoso cart. :
1) increased depth of field
2) better separation of instruments
3) more sonic and voice information & I hear the lyrics more clearly
4) more air and space
5) more layers of sound
6) much better precision of instruments placement
7) more bass
The technics with the custom bearing and custom platter makes the whole sound incredibly lush, stable and every note and voices are held to the right pitch,
But this time the pitch is not only dead on, but with much more body, depth and substance
Its a whole new & different turntable now - like a 4 cylinder car morphed into an 8 cylinder : does all with greater ease and oumf !
When I played the famous solo by Victoria de Los Angeles, in the Faure requiem, the voice is evermore stable, forcefull and full bodied -
I also like to play Peter Gabriel " Security " album for all its phenomenal bass and complex music layers & I was not disappointed
as the bass is more deep and clean instead of being bloated.
I suspect that the original platter with the rubber undercoating does not help matters at all, as it may very well dull the sonics when I used 3 copper platters;
The 12 pound custom aliminium platter + the two copper matts makes for a much much more improoved sound.
Interestingly, I first tried the small chrome Adona cones under the maple base and pointing down into the 1.25 inch granite piece held by the Target wall TT mount.
The difference with the larger muti-element cones made the sound more open and clearner - go figure...
Getting back to the Mike New platter and bearing, I am a very happy camper & will do more listening and tests in the near future,
Yves
Hi Yves,
Sounds fab! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the new platter.
That sort of thing worries me, though, as I don't recall Mike mentioning in his original instructions that this would be necessary. Unfortunately it takes this modification yet further away from being 'fit & play' for the non-technically minded.Quote:
after some small modifications to a high capacitor on the drive board, so that the platter turned freely, the platter was finally ready to play.
However, that aside, it certainly sounds as if the sonic results of using the new platter are very positive :)
All we need now on this side of the pond is a sample to listen to, so that people here can form some meaningful conclusions...............................
Marco.
Lol - no worries, Chris! It was just the way you came in with your pics at that particular moment :eyebrows:Quote:
Oh Gawd
So sorry to mislead you Marco ' the photo's were just that ' which Dave sent me in his Soundhifi email, i don't have the MK new platter .
Hope you enjoyed the footie and England's new Star Goalkeeper, all of Scotland must be so pleased
Regarding the match last night, I thought you guys were unlucky. On any other night you'd have won fairly comfortably. I'm sure Rob Green will recover to have a good tournament, as will the rest of the England team, and I still think they will get to the semis :)
Marco.
Marco ' i would suggest a visit to Dave's , have a listen and then he can fit it for you .
You know you want it , just in time for that bake off :) .
Go on Go on .
And have you tried it without the plethora of extra platters, mats and weights?Quote:
The turntable is now using Mike's bearing and his 12 pound aluminium platter
+ 2 copper platters ( 2X4 pounds) + the concave Oracle platter + the 3 pound brass center weight.
Yes it does seem a tad excessive , i would have thought 1 copper mat should suffice ?
Or just the Herbies mat on top of the MN
I was going to ask the same thing...
How much is each copper platter?
After this amount spent on the standard article, one would think a complete turntable upgrade would have been in order and there are some fascinating alternatives around out there that may not need several copper mats, an "orrible" concave platter and yet more mass plonked on top of the record...
Yes, it has occurred to me to listen only to the new Mike New platter.Quote:
Originally Posted by YNWaN
The fast answer is that I would have had to reconfigure the arm board height.
as I reversed the arm board depression so that its now level with the turntable plinth. The arm board comes from audiomods in the UK http://www.audiomods.co.uk/technicsarm.html
So I simply kept two copper mats, instead of 3, because the New platter is a little bit higher than the standard/original platter.
I am to soon get the micrometer arm from audiomods & it may have the adjustment range to just try the Mike New platter or with one copper platter.
Also, I made other modifications to the TT such as getting rid of the feet; using a hardwood support on its belly and binding the innards with removable silicone type weatherproofing (see previous posts)
As for the cost of the copper platter from http://www.ttweights.com/stcopmat.html
the matt is not cheap at around $300. US. - I never paid that kind of money since at one point they were selling slightly imperfect copper mats and the new copper mat was then way less expensive when the company started out.
The last one I just bought this June sold for $125. ; it had such a small defect I had to look for it... To get that deal, I simply wrote to them & asked if they had a less than perfect copper matt they would sell at a good price. (This is the fourth copper mat I got, since I will sell later my 3 motor 80 pound modified Oracle that also uses 2 copper mats & a 3 pound center weight.)
The small modification to the drive board to allow the New 12 pound platter to turn freely is not Mike’s fault ( as the platter was meant to readily install & play), as he is apparently using a different model. My turntable & power supply was bought in March 2010 from Kabusa http://kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/. That drive board has a high capacitor.
With the New heavy platter, the underside of the platter is rubbing against a 50 volt capacitor that his 16.3 mm above the motor board. Then the brake adjusting screw is 15 mm above the motor board, while the center round aluminum lip is 14 mm above the board. I had to fiddle a bit to find the offending part that rubbed against the underside of the New platter – so I used a felt marker to make a star under the platter & then turned the platter to see where the felt marking rubbed off…..and thus found the rubbing area…..
So I took out the 50V 480 mf on the motor drive board and replaced it with a 50V 680 mf capacitor connected out of the way & on its side making also longer leads. I also cut the top off the adjusting plastic screw but should have verified first if it cleared the platter by itself.
As for just testing the Mike New platter and bearing by itself with the standard TT – I am sure others will soon do this. But I would bet there is a 99.999 % (to infinity..) probability he/she will find similar improvements.