NVA 'TFS': 'The Future Statement' lands at Marco Towers...

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Originally Posted by Welder

Funnily enough, this is my understanding of the checksum too. Checksum perfect may not be perfect at all.
But then again interpolation isn't perfect either and sound still seems to come out. ;)

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Yup. Most of this technical chat, however, is going way over my big daft nut...

The bottom line for me is that when CDs are ripped by the process which the TFS uses, that process seems to be making a much better job of maintaining the integrity of the data (and subsequent music signal) than when my (very high-quality and highly modified) Sony CD player was reading that data and transferring it to my Sony DAC - and the same applies when other file-based systems I've heard so far do the same job.

Quite simply, NEVER have I heard computer audio sound *THIS* good! :trust:

I'm only guessing, of course, but for me the fact that the sound the TFS produces is completely devoid of any digital 'hardness', common in my experience to every other digital audio source I've heard since I first listened to CD back in 1983, seems to confirm that the way the TFS reads data from CDs, and processes that data, is more accurate than any other similar device I've heard so far.

In my opinion, the nasty digital 'hardness' (relentless quality) I'm referring to, which makes listening to music tiring on the ears (you should all know what I mean by this), is derived both from the switching noise I mentioned earlier, and the effect of 'jitter' (or whatever you want to call it); basically a sonically adverse effect imposed on the music signal, as a result of errors in reading the data encoded on CDs, which then 'pollute' the signal, significantly affecting its integrity, that is subsequently converted by the DAC. And our ears find the resultant sonic effect most irritating.

To my 'layman's' ears, the TFS seems to be doing the job of accurately processing the raw data right more than anything else that I've experienced to date, which is why, when that digital 'hardness' is completely absent, one can settle down and listen to music for many hours with zero listening fatigue, but with all the natural dymamics of the music still present and correct - and yes, why, in that respect, listening to the TFS is akin to listening to music played on a very good turntable! :)

Therefore, whilst all this technical speculating is fascinating, and no doubt of interest to some, the bottom line for me is that the TFS is one of the most musically convincing digital audio sources I've ever heard, and has been responsible for significantly reducing my sleeping hours over the last few days, because listening to music on it is so bloody addictive!!

Quite simply, no other digital audio component I've owned has EVER done that... I think that says it all ;)

Marco.

How are you getting on with the Hi Res stuff Marco? Have you had a chance to play any through the onboard sound card?

Does all this mean you'll missing from the forum for a few months while you rip your CD collection? You must have loads to rip. :doh:

Hi John,

I've be revisiting that later today, when I collect some interconnects (2m Belkins), from a friend who had borrowed them, which will be long enough to connect the TFS transport to my Croft preamp, since I've relocated the former, in order to maximise its sonic performance, in terms of optimal placement on my rack.

Therefore, when I do that I'll be listening to some high-res music rips Jason left on the TFS, which my Sony DAC has been unable to play. I shall then report what I hear later! :cool:

Marco.

Getting rid of that harshness I used to associate with digital has made such a difference
Now the difference I hear is in the recording/mastering

Absolutely, John. That's, for me, what file-based music listening, when done properly, succeeds in achieving more than any CD player I've ever heard :exactly:

Marco.

Hi Marco,
Intersting stuff, as you know i have been toying with the idea of going down the streaming route myself for a while now, it has always had the potential to be very good, it will be intersting to listen to the TFS system when i visit, if like you my findings are favourable then i will deffinately be looking into it on a more serious level.
Anthony,TD...

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Originally Posted by Marco

I'm only guessing, of course, but for me the fact that the sound the TFS produces is completely devoid of any digital 'hardness', common in my experience to every other digital audio source I've heard since I first listened to CD back in 1983, seems to confirm that the way the TFS reads data from CDs, and processes that data, is more accurate than any other similar device I've heard so far.

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Well, that may be the case, but (and this has nothing to do with TFS which I've never heard) I have heard quite a lot of computer audio in the last few years. I realise that some might think that I hide in my cave and listen to just my TT, but unfortunately I do have to venture out. My experience of recent (upper end) CA is that it's the polar opposite of old CD. CD did lean toward a brash hardness, but the last two CA/DAC systems I heard (at length) were very smooth and delicate; in fact, perhaps too smooth...

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Hi Marco,
Intersting stuff, as you know i have been toying with the idea of going down the streaming route myself for a while now, it has always had the potential to be very good, it will be intersting to listen to the TFS system when i visit, if like you my findings are favourable then i will deffinately be looking into it on a more serious level.

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Absolutely, mate - which is why I've been spending time ripping some of your favourite choons, and others that I think you'll like. Looking forward to your visit! :cool:

Marco.

Hi Mark,

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Well, that may be the case, but (and this has nothing to do with TFS which I've never heard) I have heard quite a lot of computer audio in the last few years. I realise that some might think that I hide in my cave and listen to just my TT, but unfortunately I do have to venture out. My experience of recent (upper end) CA is that it's the polar opposite of old CD. CD did lean toward a brash hardness, but the last two CA/DAC systems I heard (at length) were very smooth and delicate; in fact, perhaps too smooth...

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In that respect, our respective experiences are broadly similar. I can tell you, however, that the sound the TFS produces is intrinsically comparable to what I heard from your (excellent) turntable, when I visited. It gets the 'bones' of the music right in a similar way.

This is digital music replay for (quality) analogue-loving nutters, baby! :hifive:

Marco.

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Originally Posted by Marco

but with all the natural dymamics of the music still present and correct - and yes, why, in that respect, listening to the TFS is akin to listening to music played on a very good turntable! :)

the TFS is one of the most musically convincing digital audio sources I've ever heard,
Quite simply, no other digital audio component I've owned has EVER done that... I think that says it all ;)

Marco.

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I think you have hit the nail on the head there Marco - it is just so damn musical that you forget what is playing the music and all the associated hi-fi 'y things we sometimes over-indulge in.

If you can drag yourself back to the tt compare a ripped cd to the equivalent vinyl record. The similarities far exceed the differences imho.

Mervyn