Sony UBP-X800 4K Blu-ray player in DA HOUSE!

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31-01-2018, 17:04
WAD62

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Originally Posted by Marco

That's bizarre then, unless like Will says, the HDMI cable I'm using isn't 4K compatible.

Marco.

I'm using the one supplied with my blu-ray player...

You don't have any other output settings on the Sony do you? Perhaps there needs to be some additional configuration, selecting the HDMI output 4:4:4 etc. mine configured itself to the TV via panasonic viera link, so I didn't have to configure it...looks like somethings choking it, settings or cable?

On my blu-ray there is a setting for '4K(50p/60p) Output' , either 4:4:4, 4:2:0, or Off, if it's off presumably it will downsample....
31-01-2018, 18:27
Gazjam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco

That's bizarre then, unless like Will says, the HDMI cable I'm using isn't 4K compatible.

Marco.

I'd try a different HDMI cable Marco, one marked Premium Certified.
Redmere ones are the best imo.

Dont let anyone tell you they dont make a difference!
01-02-2018, 08:49
Phil Lawton

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco

Just a small thing I've observed with the Sony player, not a bug as such, rather more of a 'quirk'...

If you've been streaming music from Spotify, YouTube, or were using any of the apps on the homepage, and once finished simply leave the unit to go into standby mode, if you try and use it again afterwards to play a disc, the drawer tray won't open, as the unit won't respond to that command until you've hit the 'Home' button on the remote control, which cancels all previous commands.

The best thing to do, before each new session, is to 'wake up' the player, from standby mode, by pressing the 'Home' button. That way, you'll always be starting afresh, and it'll be ready to receive a new command.

Took me a while to suss what was happening, as initially I thought the player had developed a fault. Just thought I'd let folks know, existing or future users (perhaps Phil), in case they encounter that issue and also think it's a fault :)

Marco.

Yes, I noticed that...no big deal, as you say.
01-02-2018, 10:15
Marco

Quote:

Originally Posted by WAD62

I'm using the one supplied with my blu-ray player...

You don't have any other output settings on the Sony do you? Perhaps there needs to be some additional configuration, selecting the HDMI output 4:4:4 etc. mine configured itself to the TV via panasonic viera link, so I didn't have to configure it...looks like somethings choking it, settings or cable?

On my blu-ray there is a setting for '4K(50p/60p) Output' , either 4:4:4, 4:2:0, or Off, if it's off presumably it will downsample....

Sorted! :thumbsup:

I just needed to change the HDMI input on the TV, from HDMI 1, to HDMI 2 or 3, as they support HDR (I selected 2), and then go into Advanced Settings, and put the HDMI Signal Format onto 'Enhanced Format'. It was only on Standard before.

Thanks for your help, guys :cool:

Btw, for any Sony users here, Sony CIC (UK) are extremely helpful, with regard to any technical queries you may have. For reference, their number is: 0207 3652810.

Marco.
01-02-2018, 14:58
WAD62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco

Sorted! :thumbsup:

...good stuff! :cool:
02-02-2018, 17:30
Covenant

"The sound produced, partnered by the superb Beresford Bushmaster II, is filigree-detailed, lifelike, smooth and musically addictive"-but sooo much better with the Beresford SEG.
02-02-2018, 17:36
Marco

Lol... You may be right! :eyebrows:

Marco.
02-02-2018, 18:24
struth

had a feeling it might be like usb3 and some of the sockets wont do it.:)
02-02-2018, 18:47
Marco

Yup, you were pretty much spot on.

Marco.
03-02-2018, 09:55
alphaGT

Glad to hear you are sorted Marco, congrats on your new Sony! This is exactly what I was just talking about in another thread about “Trickle Down Tech”, features you mentioned found in your unit used to only be seen in far more pricey gear. I hear you compared your external Bushmaster against the DAC in your receiver, but how do they compare to the DAC in the new Sony? It may surprise you? This thread has made me want to upgrade my video gear! I’ve got two choices, I can go get fitted for glasses, or buy a larger TV, I’m leaning toward the TV!

Russell
03-02-2018, 11:57
WAD62

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaGT

Glad to hear you are sorted Marco, congrats on your new Sony! This is exactly what I was just talking about in another thread about “Trickle Down Tech”, features you mentioned found in your unit used to only be seen in far more pricey gear. I hear you compared your external Bushmaster against the DAC in your receiver, but how do they compare to the DAC in the new Sony? It may surprise you? This thread has made me want to upgrade my video gear! I’ve got two choices, I can go get fitted for glasses, or buy a larger TV, I’m leaning toward the TV!

Russell

Or even better, new specs and a new TV! ;)

...especially if you want to fully appreciate 4k resolution
03-02-2018, 12:20
Marco

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaGT

Glad to hear you are sorted Marco, congrats on your new Sony! This is exactly what I was just talking about in another thread about “Trickle Down Tech”, features you mentioned found in your unit used to only be seen in far more pricey gear. I hear you compared your external Bushmaster against the DAC in your receiver, but how do they compare to the DAC in the new Sony? It may surprise you? This thread has made me want to upgrade my video gear! I’ve got two choices, I can go get fitted for glasses, or buy a larger TV, I’m leaning toward the TV!

Russell

Cheers, Russell! It's been great :)

However, there's only a DAC in the Sony AV amp, not in the Blu-ray player, so unfortunately what you're suggesting isn't possible. In terms of your decision dilemma, I'd go for new glasses, simply so you'll see the picture better when you get your new TV!

'Source first', and all that! :D;)

Marco.
03-02-2018, 13:26
alphaGT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco

Cheers, Russell! It's been great :)

However, there's only a DAC in the Sony AV amp, not in the Blu-ray player, so unfortunately what you're suggesting isn't possible. In terms of your decision dilemma, I'd go for new glasses, simply so you'll see the picture better when you get your new TV!

'Source first', and all that! :D;)

Marco.

Surely there are analog outputs on the Sony? Or perhaps it only has HDMI outputs, besides digital coax, etc.? Whichever, as long as you’re happy! BTW, Guardians of the Galaxy has an amazing soundtrack! That movie would be so awesome on 4K Blu-ray !

And I truly dread the idea of wearing glasses, so I’ll just get an extra large TV! I think I can fit a 60”?

Russell
03-02-2018, 13:28
struth

most dont have them now
03-02-2018, 13:58
Marco

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaGT

Surely there are analog outputs on the Sony?

Nope... Just two HDMI outputs and a digital coaxial one. Enjoy your new (fat-assed) TV when you get it! :D

Marco.
03-02-2018, 19:04
Marco

Just pulled the trigger on one of these (as recommended by Gaz), as I trust his judgement: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Full report when it arrives! :cool:

Marco.
03-02-2018, 19:11
struth

got one of those. an improvement i think. got ine from amazon usa. think they put price just after.
03-02-2018, 19:26
Marco

Yeah, I could have got it from here, but wasn't sure that it was *exactly* the same cable: http://www.cabledepot.co.uk/1m-thin-...et-p-3012.html

I also wanted to compare it to one of these, which I thought looked interesting, and am also going to try: https://www.amazon.com/Fusion4K-High.../dp/B00JD3NCQY

May as well have a wee HDMI cable shootout! :cool:

Marco.
03-02-2018, 19:33
struth

First one is the same. Second one is 18 gbps but no mention of redmere chip
03-02-2018, 19:49
Marco

Yup, but is it defo the same, though? It *seems* so, but I'm not certain. and as we're only talking beer money, I couldn't be arsed taking any risk.

The Fusion one looked interesting for other reasons, aside from the Redmere angle, so I wanted to try it against the Monoprice :)

Marco.
03-02-2018, 19:53
struth

Looks similar and has similar spec. It monoprice might be better made. As you say trial may prove it. Some say there is no differences possible but they say that about lots of things
03-02-2018, 20:08
Marco

Indeed. Unless the "some" represents an opinion I rate, then you know what you can do with it! ;)

Marco.
03-02-2018, 20:20
struth

Yup. Gary reckoned he got an improvement so I tried it. It's a nice cable and surprisingly thin
04-02-2018, 12:17
alphaGT

Quote:

Originally Posted by WAD62

Or even better, new specs and a new TV! ;)

...especially if you want to fully appreciate 4k resolution

My daughter has a large 4K tv, and you’re right about the picture, it’s amazing! When they first got it there wasn’t much in the way of 4K programming, but I suppose that has changed?

Russell
08-02-2018, 10:17
Marco

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco

Just pulled the trigger on one of these (as recommended by Gaz), as I trust his judgement: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Full report when it arrives!

Ok, the cable's now here (arrived a few days ago), and I've been assessing its efficacy.

For now I'll simply say that I'm very pleased indeed with it (and that Gaz was right, as usual with these things), but will go into more detail about my findings on a separate thread, particularly in comparison with the 'same' lead, sold by Cable Depot, as it's not the same at all...

More soon! :cool:

Marco.
08-02-2018, 11:05
WAD62

Quote:

Originally Posted by struth

Looks similar and has similar spec. It monoprice might be better made. As you say trial may prove it. Some say there is no differences possible but they say that about lots of things

Hi Grant, I'm only running a 1.5m HDMI cable, the active monoprice ones seem to come in at 3M, is there any benefit in using the shorter 'passive' one?
08-02-2018, 11:11
struth

Quote:

Originally Posted by WAD62

Hi Grant, I'm only running a 1.5m HDMI cable, the active monoprice ones seem to come in at 3M, is there any benefit in using the shorter 'passive' one?

i got the smallest active one. its longer than i need but it is excellent. wanted to try the active and think its worth it even for hd as thats all i have at moment. its the only active ive tried(monoprice) but marco has did an A-B and thinks its better than the other one he has.
08-02-2018, 11:28
Marco

Hi Will,

Quote:

Originally Posted by WAD62

Hi Grant, I'm only running a 1.5m HDMI cable, the active monoprice ones seem to come in at 3M..

Not so if you order it from Cable Depot, where what seems like a similar cable, is available from 1m upwards: https://www.cabledepot.co.uk/1m-thin...et-p-3012.html

The main point of the Redmere technology (see link below) is that the internal chipset 'equalizes' the signal loss effects caused by longer cable lengths, so within reason, cable length, with HDMI, is of no issue. Simply choose what you need, so that the cable reaches what it has to reach!

https://hometheaterhifi.com/q-a/what...re-technology/

*However*, having examined the Monoprice item and compared its appearance with the one from Cable Depot, although both feature Redmere technology, externally they're quite different (in terms of the plugs used and the cable itself), so until I carry out a direct comparison between both in actual use, which I'll be doing soon, I won't know which (if any) is better.

Therefore, you may wish to hang fire on buying anything until I test that out :)

Marco.
08-02-2018, 11:34
Marco

Quote:

Originally Posted by struth

i got the smallest active one. its longer than i need but it is excellent. wanted to try the active and think its worth it even for hd as thats all i have at moment. its the only active ive tried(monoprice) but marco has did an A-B and thinks its better than the other one he has.

Yes, but in that instance it was being compared with a basic 'no name' HDMI lead, which I was given by the Sky engineer who called to set up my Sky Q system, and in that application (going from my Sky box to my Sony home-cinema amp), it was pretty much night and day, to the extent that it rendered the latter as broken.

How the Monoprice compares with the 'proper' HDMI cables I was using from the amp to the TV, and from my Blu-ray player to the amp, has yet to be discovered, and which will form the basis of my forthcoming review :)

Marco.
08-02-2018, 11:34
WAD62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco

Hi Will,

Not so if you order it from Cable Depot, where what seems like a similar cable, is available from 1m upwards: https://www.cabledepot.co.uk/1m-thin...et-p-3012.html

The main point of the Redmere technology (see link below) is that the internal chipset 'equalizes' the signal loss effects caused by using longer lengths of cables, so within reason, cable length is of no issue.

https://hometheaterhifi.com/q-a/what...re-technology/

*However*, having examined the Monoprice item and compared it with the one from Cable Depot, although both feature Redmere technology, externally they're quite different (in terms of the plugs used and the cable itself), so until I carry out a direct comparison between both, which I'll be doing soon, I won't know which (if any) is better.

Therefore, you may wish to hang fire on buying any until I test that out :)

Marco.

Cheers Marco...I shall watch with interest...:eyebrows:
Currently I'm just using the supplied HDMIs with my sky Q box, and UB900 player
08-02-2018, 11:40
Marco

Oh, on that you can defo do *MUCH* better - that I promise you! :)

Marco.
08-02-2018, 13:11
Gazjam

Only one I can recommend is the Monoprice one, as that's all I've tried.
Good that marco's found another good 'un, and shows that all (Redmere) HDMI cables aren't the same.

LIke everything in this hobby, its never that simple!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco

Hi Will,

Not so if you order it from Cable Depot, where what seems like a similar cable, is available from 1m upwards: https://www.cabledepot.co.uk/1m-thin...et-p-3012.html

The main point of the Redmere technology (see link below) is that the internal chipset 'equalizes' the signal loss effects caused by longer cable lengths, so within reason, cable length, with HDMI, is of no issue. Simply choose what you need, so that the cable reaches what it has to reach!

https://hometheaterhifi.com/q-a/what...re-technology/

*However*, having examined the Monoprice item and compared its appearance with the one from Cable Depot, although both feature Redmere technology, externally they're quite different (in terms of the plugs used and the cable itself), so until I carry out a direct comparison between both in actual use, which I'll be doing soon, I won't know which (if any) is better.

Therefore, you may wish to hang fire on buying anything until I test that out :)

Marco.
08-02-2018, 13:15
Gazjam

Oh,
and from personal experience, my AV system, my eyes n ears, after A-B'ing the Monoprice gave a better picture than THIS:
https://www.futureshop.co.uk/wirewor...-to-hdmi-cable

Check the price!
Something to consider..
08-02-2018, 14:09
WAD62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco

Oh, on that you can defo do *MUCH* better - that I promise you! :)

Marco.

OK, I'll hang fire on 2 of these then...:)

https://www.cabledepot.co.uk/2m-thin...et-p-3013.html
08-02-2018, 14:26
struth

amazon us doing a 6 ft monoprice for $13

https://www.amazon.com/gp/cart/view.html/ref=lh_cart
08-02-2018, 16:14
Marco

Linky not go to righty placey, matey.... ;)

Takes you to a page that simply says "Your Shopping Cart is empty".

Marco.
08-02-2018, 16:15
Marco

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazjam

Oh,
and from personal experience, my AV system, my eyes n ears, after A-B'ing the Monoprice gave a better picture than THIS:
https://www.futureshop.co.uk/wirewor...-to-hdmi-cable

Check the price!
Something to consider..

Lol - so had you bought the Wireworld cable before you got the Monoprice [ooch, expensive mistake], or how else did you carry out the comparison? :)

Marco.
08-02-2018, 16:21
struth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco

Linky not go to righty placey, matey.... ;)

Takes you to a page that simply says "Your Shopping Cart is empty".

Marco.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...3N7I3N7V&psc=1
08-02-2018, 16:35
WAD62

Quote:

Originally Posted by struth

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...3N7I3N7V&psc=1

A quick look at the reviews reveals a few 4K HDR issues, (perhaps user error?), which is a little worrying...
08-02-2018, 16:38
struth

probably wrong socket or not enabled via tv etc. its same cable
08-02-2018, 16:41
WAD62

Quote:

Originally Posted by struth

probably wrong socket or not enabled via tv etc. its same cable

There're some compelling complaints...I.E. not supporting full 4:4:4

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Hig...ews-filter-bar
08-02-2018, 17:04
Marco

Quote:

Originally Posted by WAD62

OK, I'll hang fire on 2 of these then...

https://www.cabledepot.co.uk/2m-thin...et-p-3013.html

Yeah, maybe wait and see whether the Monoprice one is any better. Interestingly, when I ordered another exact same Monoprice cable from Amazon EU (using the same link as before) I got it rather cheaper this time:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/CjKW9e.png

Previous order:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/OUrG87.png

:scratch::hmm:

Hey, not to worry! :)

Anyway, both will be compared with the Peerless Alpha ones I was using up until now, which The Sony Centre in Worcester (where I bought all my AV stuff from) chucked in for me, for free: https://www.electricaldiscountuk.co....1-5metres.html

They're good cables and have served me well so far, so we'll see what happens! :cool:

Marco.
08-02-2018, 17:41
Marco

Quote:

Originally Posted by WAD62

A quick look at the reviews reveals a few 4K HDR issues, (perhaps user error?), which is a little worrying...

Indeed, as Grant says, it'll be some idiot not using it properly. I can categorically confirm that there are no 4K HDR issues with it in my set up.

Marco.
08-02-2018, 18:52
Gazjam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco

Lol - so had you bought the Wireworld cable before you got the Monoprice [ooch, expensive mistake], or how else did you carry out the comparison? :)

Marco.

Bought the Wireworld cable on Sale or Return Marco.
Spent similar on my interconnects so wanting to "do it once and do it right"...willing to spend the Wonga if it was SO much better.

It wasn't. :)
08-02-2018, 19:13
Marco

Yup, I can totally relate to the "do it once and do it right" philosophy, so I get that. Good job though, you found the Monoprice! :eek::eyebrows:

Marco.
12-07-2018, 06:48
Smoothgroove

Just bought this player for a little over $320 AUD - around 180 UK pound equivalent. What a fantastic player. SACD sounds great too. Quite a step up from my Sony BDP-S380 which could also play SACD. But the sound on this new machine is at a whole new level. Pictures are great and upscaling seems to improve Bluray discs too. Haven't tried apps as my adsl2 internet is too slowwww. Thanks for the heads up on this machine, as I was debating whether to go 4k or not, when I read the reviews here of this machine. Was looking at the X700 but for the extra $40, I thought this machine looked better built etc. The lack of Dolby Vision doesn't really worry me. Looking forward to a drop in price of 4K discs, but in the meantime really enjoying this player.
06-08-2018, 19:09
Marco

Nice one, Greg. Sorry I missed this post! The Sony's a cracking machine, both for films and music. As you say though, 4K Blu-rays are spectacular, so enjoy! :cool:

Marco.

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