Someones got a new toy! It's gorgeous, 18kg of lovliness!
https://youtu.be/1rkap9SZDW4
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Someones got a new toy! It's gorgeous, 18kg of lovliness!
https://youtu.be/1rkap9SZDW4
Congratulations Andrew,exciting times! Looks magnificent.
Very fine looking ‘table! Enjoy!
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Nice one... Now pop a cartridge on it and get it listened to! We all want to know how it compares with your Linn ;)
Marco.
Would love to but my Yamaha amp arrived but it's buggered, getting hotter than a radiator and all the screw heads are knackered. Yamaha sent me a refurb rather than a new unit!!!!!!!! The top of the amp was 48oC after and hour. Heatsinks were 65oCQuote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Turns out that Yamaha UK have no stock so it now wont be here until about the 22nd November.
I'll post a coupe of photos but one of the screws was hanging out.
Not what you expect after spending £4000, although it is the best sounding amp I've ever heard.
Will be fitting this but still waiting on my Jelco headshell!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
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I’ve always like the Technics 1200 series TTs, but have never been able to move away from my Garrard. The 1200G is stunning. What do you think of the stock tonearm? I’ve often wondered if it actually not a bad arm but just needs a bit of fine tuning like setting the bearings and even a thin sliver of foam pushed down the arm can do wonders for a tonearm.
No worries, but what's wrong with the supplied Technics headshell. It'll be perfectly good for that cartridge, as it doesn't need any added mass. What made you go for a Jelco headshell, which TBH, isn't really much of an upgrade?Quote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
There are much better options around, Andrew, if you truly want to upgrade your headshell. Sorry to hear about your amp. That's pretty disgraceful from Yamaha, when you're spending that kind of money! :rolleyes:
Marco.
Yes. I would have had a cartridge on that like a shot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
That does look rather stunning. Congratulations. Shame about the amp but I have a feeling it'll be worth the wait. [emoji6]
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It's only because the Jelco was a bit thicker so would help with the VTA as the AT cart is only 16mm in height.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Now i find of course that the arm height goes down further than '0', sort of minus so it may not be an issue anyway.
Would be happy to hear of your suggestions on a headshell of course! I also need some extra headshells for my 78's and 7” singles so they will all come in handy anyway.
FIttimg thevscrews for the extremely heavy platter, 3.5Kg
https://i.imgur.com/0au64VG.jpg
Well, for a man of your calibre, I'd be nabbing this for starters, as they rarely come up for sale in the UK. It both sounds fab and has a multitude of different adjustments to tweak the response of cartridges: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USED-Orso...0AAOSwQkZZwTyEQuote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
It's the 'king of headshells'. I'd use that with your AT and keep the Jelco for whatever cartridge gets used for your 78s.
For 7" singles, have you thought about what cartridge to use? I'd go MM, and preferably something NOS vintage, such as a Shure M55, or SC35C (you can buy new for peanuts), which will really make your 7 (and 12") singles sing!
Once I know how you're going to go there, I'll recommend a headshell to compliment it :)
Marco.
MORE WOES!!!!
The platter as it revolves is making a brushing noise, like a dry paintbrush on paper noise with every rotation
Spoke to Technics support, apparently it shouldn't do that. They said ask for a new one.
Interetingly, the pitch fader lnob was loose in the bag so somehow came off in transit.
Take the platter off [it's a pressure fit and will just pop off] and make sure that it's seated properly onto the bearing, and clear of any obstacles. It's obviously catching on something as it's spinning. Shouldn't be anything serious.
Marco.
It seems to coming from the motor itself, i wonder if it might bed in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
I doubt that, but it's possible. However, I'd pop the platter off first and make sure it's not fouling on anything, as it's spinning, just to eliminate that possibility.
Also, is it doing the same thing with the stock mat? Try that, too.
Marco.
Make sure you didn't let a piece of packing get under the platter. A bit of tape or paper?
It's doesnt seem to fouling anything at all. The store has said they will order me another one.
It's not scratchy or metallic sound , just a very quiet wooshing noise?
Hmm maybe it took an awkward drop on the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
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The path to audio nirvana is never easy but you've been more than a little unfortunate. It's tough to take but you'll get there in the end and all this hassle will be a distant memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
When i opened it, the pitch fader knob was missing, upon further investigation it wad underneath the deck in the bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yomanze
Just to mention, it was with beyond doubt brand new as everything was perfect, even with only one piece of packing tape on both sides of the box.
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by hermit
I'm sure that brushing noise would get picked up by the cartridge.
I once had an issue with my LINN in that the belt was slighlty rubbing against the belt guide and you could actaully hear it through the speakers.
Luckily Steve at Technics told me to get a new one!!
Amplifier lid temp.
23.4mv at speaker outputs, seems high
https://i.imgur.com/ZgC9t7g.jpg
Who did you buy the amp from, Andrew? Was it a dealer, Yamaha directly or what?
I can't see that there is any excuse for sending out a supposedly brand-new product in that state. And there is no way the top plate should be reaching 47 C
Heatsinks are 68 degrees celsiusQuote:
Originally Posted by Macca
Even the front panel is about 42 degrees!
https://i.imgur.com/xtxXn0T.jpg
It still sounds fantastic though so it's still very encouraging.
I'm awaiting the new one, Yamaha have no stock so it's coming directly from Malayasia so about 2 weeks away but it will be brand spanking new!
New tt here on wednesday, hopefully brushing noise not included! it must have taken quite a knock to pop of the pitch fader knob as it is stiff to push back on even!
The amp is beautiful though
https://i.imgur.com/EKetuAi.jpg
So someone at the dealers has re-boxed it and shipped it out to you as new, presumably hoping that you would not notice, or not care. Now you have to wait 2 weeks for a replacement. I'd want £500 off as a minimum or I would be naiming and shaiming (ho-ho). In fact I'd start at demanding a grand off and then bargain down.Quote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
At least the Technics is 100%. Looks fabulous too.
No, the Technics is faulty. I spoke to Technics Uk as the motor is making a brushing sound as it rotates, like a dry brush on paper. They told me to get it replaced as it's faulty.
New one here on Wedneday. That was brand new though, you could just tell. The box only had one piece of tape on each end and it was packed professonally, i think it must have been dropped.
The amp was sent from Yamaha to the dealers on the 3rd November by the shipping label and the label was stuck over the packing , also dated only a day after I'd ordered it so it must have been Yamahas fault.
I thought it was just the aftermarket mat that was the problem?
Oh well, these things are sent to try us. But you do want to get a hefty discount off the dealer for taking the piss with that Yamaha. Don't worry, they can afford it. Even if you don't need the money it might teach them a lesson.
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Originally Posted by Macca
Yeah, the motor on my SL1200G is noisy, I spoke to a friend on pinkfish who has one and his is totally silent.
It makes the noise even without the mat. Even if you spin it by hand with no power applied.
Update, new deck here Wednesday!
I wonder what could make a noise from this motor? Could a coil have come loose or there mist be a foreign body stuck in there, I mean there can only be a few reasons for a brushing noise with every rotation?
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https://images.cdn.whathifi.com/site...amp=1505050441
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Some progress, need to recheck alignment but getting there. I want to hear the thing, have to wait until Wednesday.
https://i.imgur.com/msiNwnV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wSDx7fp.jpg
Looking good
I fancy one of these turntables but must save my money for other things first:doh:. Will be interesting following the posts how these turn out long term though:D.
Now we're cookin!
Still needed the 2.7mm spacer though.
I've bought a Tiger Paw Vulcan wallshelf for the Linn so will be putting this on Pro-ject wall shelf at the weekend.
Will do a proper listening at the weekend but sounding good so far.
https://youtu.be/cVJJb2x0sl8
You've got polar opposites there with the Technics and the Linn. Although I notice you have tricked the Linn up a bit. Polar opposite in looks too. I prefer the industrial look of the Technics to the wooden plinthed decks myself.
The only thing that puts me off the look of the new one is the blue LEDS. Hi Fi LEDs, or hi-fi lights in general can be red, green, yellow or orange but never blue. I don't know who started the blue thing but they best hope I don't find out.
I mean that strobe would be so much better in orange. Maybe it is just me.
Anyway look forward to your thoughts on the sound, Andrew.
Looks really nice.
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Really ? no probs with the blue at all, find it pretty inoffensive / discrete. Orange though in my view can be a bit yuck :) but hey ho, we all like different things I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Macca
Thanks Martin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
I've now tried the Technics headshell and Marco was right, it sounds better imho! Obvoiusly designed for the arm, faster sounding, the Jelco slunds slower.
I've got a 2.7mm spacer allowing me to get perfect VTA.
This deck is very clean sounding, much more refined sounding than the stock 1210 I had. When I moved it onto my wall shelf just now I thought it was stuck to my coffee table, it's so heavy! Obviously there's a lot of running in to do, especially the cartridge but it's sounding great so far.
https://i.imgur.com/RMuEAMW.jpg
This cartridge is quite special considering it's less than half the price of the Delos!
https://i.imgur.com/IvUbRqj.jpg
They aren't as bright in real, quite a soft blue, they certainly don't have a glare to them, quite diffused. Blue LED'S are always hard to photograph I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieGong
That mirrors my own thoughts on the Jelco headshells - not insanely priced, beautifully made and usefully adjustable for azimuth, but just not great sound, whether on a Jelco arm or another. That's why I always liked the Oyaide headshells which lack adjustment, but otherwise sound much nicer and more 'musical'. It's a shame that Oyaide are so expensive and that's the only reason why I don't stock them any more, but I'll always keep a couple of well used examples to hand for my own use.
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Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
Hi Andrew,
Glad you've got things up and running now - looks great!
Lol... I usually am when it comes to things Technics T/T-related! ;) Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt....Quote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
It's probably not so much that the headshell has been designed for the arm (although that will have some bearing on matters), but rather that it's a better match for your AT cartridge than the Jelco was, simply because it's lighter (has less mass). There's probably about 2g in it. Your AT-33PTG doesn't need augmenting with added mass - and that's why it'll sound musically 'freer' and nimbler on a lighter headshell, as too much mass bloats the sound.
We're not dealing with a Denon DL-103 here!
Nice one. Are you still using the stock rubber mat, or if not, what? If you're still using the rubber mat, then you've got MUCH more to come yet from a mat upgrade. An Achromat, as I've mentioned, would be a simple and cost-effective solution.Quote:
This deck is very clean sounding, much more refined sounding than the stock 1210 I had. When I moved it onto my wall shelf just now I thought it was stuck to my coffee table, it's so heavy! Obviously there's a lot of running in to do, especially the cartridge but it's sounding great so far.
Something else to bear in mind is changing the stock feet. I know you don't want to mod the T/T, but the likes of Isonoes are retrofittable with the stock feet (both simply screw on and off of the base of the T/T), so you'll not be making any irreversible alterations, and trust me, the stock items do not do the turntable justice, sonically. Technics will simply have kept them to retain visual originality with previous SL-1200s.
Isonoe feet will provide improved isolation, thus allowing the T/T to 'breathe' better, and sound "faster" and more tuneful as a result, just like you heard with the headshell change. It's a no-brainer, honestly! And of course the stock ones can easily be replaced if necessary. If you do it, I promise that you'll thank me for it. Plus, they look great! :)
See here: http://www.analogueseduction.net/iso...-set-of-4.html
Marco.
Still using the stock mat. The difference in weight is 4g between the two headshells.
The feet are totally different than the previous ones and seem to be much better.
This deck actually makes exactly the same noise as the other one, i mean I am being fanatical about it with my ear almost touching the spindle. I wonder if it's just air movement between the motor parts or just a magnetc noise? Obviously this motor is totally different to the original motor. Any more than an inch or so away and you cant hear it, it's more like a wind noise, As it's exactly the same as the other one I wonder if they all do it. It doesn't sound like bearing noise, nothing mettalic or screeching etc.
I cant hear it though the stylus on a runout groove, even the ipad microphone almost touchng the spindle can't pick it up.
What I would say is this that deck sounds better than my last 1210mk5g with the oyaide platter, RB700 arm, MN Bearing and oyaide platter and weight!!!!
So yes it is good.
Ah, so the Technics shell is lighter than I thought. No wonder you heard a difference! What are the feet made of and how are they constructed (from memory, the old ones were simply thickly moulded plastic) - can you see any extra attention to detail from before, in terms of them improving isolation? A close-up pic would help :)Quote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
The key with the Isonoes is that they provide the T/T with a type of suspension (check out their design), and that helps significantly in terms of isolation and addressing the ingress of vibration, the effects of which you can clearly hear, and the subsequent improvement gained isn't subtle.
You really must try an Achromat. I'm actually rather shocked that Technics are still supplying a rubber mat with a turntable they've improved so heavily in other areas. How many currently produced high-end T/Ts do you know that come supplied with rubber mats? And yes, there's a reason for that... ;)
We've learned quite a lot in that area since the 70s!
So that's the second one that's like that? Very weird... And yet your mate claims that his is silent? If that's true, then clearly you've been sent duffers - either that or he's deaf! You need to go round to his place for a listen, or get him to being his T/T to yours, and find out what's going on.Quote:
This deck actually makes exactly the same noise as the other one, i mean I am being fanatical about it with my ear almost touching the spindle. I wonder if it's just air movement between the motor parts or just a magnetc noise? Obviously this motor is totally different to the original motor. Any more than an inch or so away and you cant hear it, it's more like a wind noise, As it's exactly the same as the other one I wonder if they all do it. It doesn't sound like bearing noise, nothing mettalic or screeching etc.
I cant hear it though the stylus on a runout groove.
Well, that's good, but you need to address the noise issue ASAP.Quote:
What I would say is this that deck sounds better than my last 1210mk5g with the oyaide platter, RB700 arm, MN Bearing and oyaide platter and weight!!!!
Marco.
I've asked Technics to confirm.
That's fair enough, but for your own piece of mind you need to confirm it for yourself. How far away does your mate live, who's got the same turntable?
Marco.
No idea, he's on pinkfish. Im going to ask him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco