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11-06-2009, 09:42
chris@panteg

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Originally Posted by Marco

Mmmm... I think I'm going to have to differ here slightly regarding the Technics arm.

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Trouble is, after you've paid for all that lot, you're about three quarters of the way to buying a Jelco, which has none of those problems! ;)

Marco.

Marco i believe you are dead right about the arm ' which is why i have only got the Sumiko (£29) and some Van Damme leads (£13) which BTW is a great upgrade on the stock leads 'it did take weeks to burn in though.

But i have no intention of spending anymore on the arm i think Dave said something like ' its just fiddling while Rome burns ' .

I am just going to wait until i can go for the Jelco 750 or maybe the 250st but the 750 i think is the one i want:smoking:.
11-06-2009, 10:29
NRG

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Originally Posted by hamish_gill

neal, please accept my apologees for such a sh1ty message this morning, i was not my usual self and i apreciate you wereonly trying to provide a usefull opinion

No problem. We all have crap days, hope you feel better soon.

Anybody know the best place to buy a Sumiko headshell? Seen it advertised for $50 and also £29...
11-06-2009, 10:43
twelvebears

I know Jonny at Audio Origami wasn't completely anti the stock Mk5 arm and he believed the foam fill would help address some of the resonance issues.

The bottom line is that you can tweak it a bit to improve things to a point, but eventually you run into the 'Max Power' situation where getting your Astra to perform anything like a Porsche will cost as much (or more) than just buying the real thing....

That's why I'm saving the money from a KAB damping trough and custom counter weight towards the Terminator arm I ultimately want.
11-06-2009, 11:40
chris@panteg

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That's why I'm saving the money from a KAB damping trough and custom counter weight towards the Terminator arm I ultimately want.

Now you have got me thinking now:scratch: blimey it looks very very impressive

http://www.trans-fi.com/terminatortonearm.htm

Listening to my other deck the baby SL5 ' it seems to me there is something right about Linear tracking ' even on this modest turntable background and surface noise for one thing are if anything even quieter than my 1210 and this makes a difference with low level stuff like solo piano etc.
11-06-2009, 11:48
DSJR

Some very good advice on here and I think Marco has it pretty well sewn up (I still love MM's and the more delicate MC's, so I'm not so anti the standard arm, but I was surprised how light-weight the arm-pipe is compared to others I've sen and used/sold). A light weight tube can be damped better though with foam fill.

The Jelco's are fine. A shame that the cheapest one is getting on for £400 with cable. Totally out of my league right now unless I can drastically increase my paid hours, or set myself up as a turntable setter-upper as has been suggested.......
11-06-2009, 12:15
muffinman

Hi Hamish
I've been watching your thread and would like to direct you to one i made a while ago
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2453

I'd actually like to enforce the point i made in the post that i feel that my deck is now perfect. since the addition of the Terminator and oc9 i've felt no need to fiddle with the support, mat or clamp - it just seems like spending for the sake of it
Given the choice i'd get the arm first as it's such a massive improvement over many other models. mind you, if you were to try it on your own deck, you may not bother with the 12'
11-06-2009, 13:36
The Vinyl Adventure

that terminator is about the single coolest hifi related thing i have ever seen... well done

here is my plan as it currently stands id be interested if anyone thinks this is the wrong way of doing things

buy deck and put on my oc9 on

sit with it for a few weeks and see how i feel about it at that stage

if i feel the project, for me, has legs im going to start with that time step psu

taking in to account the astra vs porche analogy .... then i will have a think about and get advice on what new arm to get (i want a terminator now but thats only coz it looks cool which is probably not the best basis for such investment)

in the mean while i can tweak things like mats and support if anything comes up that might work out a good deal
11-06-2009, 13:46
REM

Hamish

Have you seen this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Technics-SL-12...3%3A1|294%3A50

could be tricky trying to get it coz there's already 11 bids on it and still 3 days to go but as it has the AO re-wire it should be worth a punt.
HTH:smoking:
11-06-2009, 15:16
MartinT

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Originally Posted by DSJR

The Jelco's are fine. A shame that the cheapest one is getting on for £400 with cable.

Putting it into perspective, I paid about that for a Michell TecnoArm. The Jelco in comparison is on another level. I know that sounds like hi-fi reviewer speak, but I do own both arms and the comparison does not favour the Rega-based arm.
11-06-2009, 15:48
Ammonite Audio

Martin

A bit OT, but I've just notice your equipment list, and particularly:

Quote:

Underwood-modded PS Audio GCPH

I have a GCPH and am very happy with it, but always interested in the odd tweak. What sort of modification does this involve?

Cheers

Shuggie
11-06-2009, 16:58
MartinT

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Originally Posted by Shuggie

I have a GCPH and am very happy with it, but always interested in the odd tweak. What sort of modification does this involve?

Hi Shuggie

Here is the link; I bought the unit directly from them and have no comparison with a standard model. However, I can say that I'm very impressed with the modded GCPH which should stand the test of time through cartridge changes as it's very flexible and sounded very good with the high output DL-160 as well as excellent with my current AT33PTG.

http://www.underwoodhifi.com/mod_psa...nchor-So-19901
13-06-2009, 08:58
The Vinyl Adventure

i have just remembered ... i work in a shop that has a panasonic contract .... who does panasonic own.... technics.... staff discount!!!!!!!! wooo
13-06-2009, 09:16
twelvebears

I which case you could look at getting a new Techie rather than risk a s/h one. That said, from memories of working at (as was) Sevenoaks HiFi in my teens, trade margins (and thus staff discount) on Japanese products vary hugely from Denon (massive) to Sony (tiny) so who knows what a Techie would be....
13-06-2009, 12:26
DSJR

Depends on the retail price and how much you buy from them.

Panasonic wanted a real commitment to turnover to get the best margins, which were only around 25% at best (15% for small-fry!). You may just find that a larger DJ orientated retailer may just have a better retail price than standard trade, unless Panasonic take pity on you and do a "special." You never know though and what you don't ask for you don't get!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck!
13-06-2009, 15:56
The Vinyl Adventure

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSJR

Depends on the retail price and how much you buy from them.

Panasonic wanted a real commitment to turnover to get the best margins, which were only around 25% at best (15% for small-fry!). You may just find that a larger DJ orientated retailer may just have a better retail price than standard trade, unless Panasonic take pity on you and do a "special." You never know though and what you don't ask for you don't get!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck!

you are bang on, on the mk5 once vat is added and the 10% i have to pay as staff, the price is £50 more than i have seen them for

but like you say it doesnt stop me ringing the rep on monday and giving him a bit of stick... they might also have some graded stock....

either way im gonna hang on and find out
13-06-2009, 16:01
The Vinyl Adventure

its a shame, when i use to work here full time i got to know a few of the reps/sales staff and got a few good deals on stuff.. now im only here as a sales bitch to help out when someone is off i have lost touch and cant remember any of the reps names
13-06-2009, 17:06
Spectral Morn

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Originally Posted by hamish_gill

you are bang on, on the mk5 once vat is added and the 10% i have to pay as staff, the price is £50 more than i have seen them for

but like you say it doesnt stop me ringing the rep on monday and giving him a bit of stick... they might also have some graded stock....

either way im gonna hang on and find out

You don't get net trade....bad employer...mean employer errrrrrrrrr:steam: Panasoinc/Technics is a crap mark up 15% with a further 10% usually....Panasonic used to be only %15 if you bought through a distributor. Last time I bought anything Panasoinic a digital camera it was better than that but still crap. And some people think margins are good on kit (well some) but not Panasonic.

Regards D S D L
14-06-2009, 11:57
The Vinyl Adventure

at one point we use to make so little on nikon slrs it was insane! there was a few weeks where we could by nikon d40s from jessops for 1p less than the price we could get them from nikon and suposedly we were in the same band as jessops for prices from nikon
this was around the sametime that jessops had to close 82 stores though... it seems they just forgot to make enough money to pay for overheads... plonkers

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