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26-08-2013, 15:47
jason

Hi guys back again sorry for lack of know how surrounding digital but am I right in thinking a coax cable is just one standard interconnect?

Cheers

Jason.
26-08-2013, 16:07
Andrew B

Hi, Jason. Coaxial digital is just single phono to single phono. I thought you were looking for an audiophile version of the Sync Lead that Apple supply with IPods (Apple connector at one end and USB at the other). Am I getting my wires crossed?

Apologies in advance if I am.
26-08-2013, 16:55
jason

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Originally Posted by Andrew B

Hi, Jason. Coaxial digital is just single phono to single phono. I thought you were looking for an audiophile version of the Sync Lead that Apple supply with IPods (Apple connector at one end and USB at the other). Am I getting my wires crossed?

Apologies in advance if I am.

Hi Andrew thanks for your reply mate and thanks for clearing that up regarding the coax cable;) I was looking for an audiophile version of the Apple lead but then Stu suggested I try the DRDOCK on the IRDAC instead of using the basic Apple lead direct so then I could do away with it. So I was just trying to suss out what a coax cable was as this is what I now need to connect them together.

PS sorry for the confusion I'm confusing myself at the moment with all this wire talk:lol:
27-08-2013, 12:51
jason

Just got these too wired up together and to my suprise it sounds much better than using the ipod direct to the dac via the standard Apple cable. So a big thanks to Stu for is advice;) At the moment I'm only using the standard coax lead that came with the dac so I'm hoping a new better coax will really make them sing:dance: I still can't believe this has now totaled up to a £850 digital front end with the ipod drdock ir dac and this is without cables.

Here's a quick pic of them together although the pic doesn't do them justice, they look the dogs in the flesh:stalks::stalks:

http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3add6946.jpg
06-09-2013, 18:46
jason

Hi all:) had a good day today isolating my bits my new Russ Andrews cones and feet arrived today so that's the speakers and stands sorted, the stands are filled too with the atacama bits. I've added some sorba feet to the dac and the dock, also the amp is isolated with the Avid. I've not had a listen yet as I haven't had time :(

http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/...ps333fdb5a.jpg
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/...psf0ccb81c.jpg
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/...pse6d6dbbd.jpg
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/...pse385de48.jpg
07-09-2013, 08:43
jason

Forgot to add I've isolated the granite plinths too with 4 feet under each bit:)
07-09-2013, 08:49
walpurgis

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Originally Posted by jason

Forgot to add I've isolated the granite plinths too with 4 feet under each bit:)

"4 feet" That's nearly 1.5 metres. Isn't that a bit high off the ground? :D
07-09-2013, 17:36
jason

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Originally Posted by walpurgis

"4 feet" That's nearly 1.5 metres. Isn't that a bit high off the ground? :D

LOL :)
07-09-2013, 18:44
AlfaGTV

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Originally Posted by walpurgis

"4 feet" That's nearly 1.5 metres. Isn't that a bit high off the ground? :D

:D Hahaha! ;)

Seriously though, great photography Jason! :)
I'm having difficulties motivating the cost of the wood cones though, do you believe they were worth it?
Regards Mike
10-09-2013, 12:01
jason

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Originally Posted by AlfaGTV

:D Hahaha! ;)

Seriously though, great photography Jason! :)
I'm having difficulties motivating the cost of the wood cones though, do you believe they were worth it?
Regards Mike

Hi Mike after a couple of hours of listening there is definitely a difference in the sound and it's not for the worse, I think I need a few more hours listening time to put my finger on it. Are they worth £104.00 for 8 cones and 8 spike feet I'm not sure yet they don't make a difference as a new cable would that's for sure.
10-09-2013, 16:10
The Black Adder

I'm afraid I'm also of a skeptical opinion regarding the cones in those positions and I'm afraid and I'm a total unbeliever in regards to wooden cable risers.. That's a lot of green to lay out. Be good to hear your report back once you have had a good listen. If I could make a suggestion, if you could do this over a relaxed time frame and live with them for a while I feel that would be more beneficial.

I have tried cones on cd players which sit on glass surfaces and found them to improve the stage, but place the player on a fully wooden surface and the result is negotiable to no difference.

Nice neat system though. :)
10-09-2013, 22:01
Sovereign

Placing oak cones under my CD player was the first tweak I did, many moons ago now.
My hifi was in my bedroom at the time, I remember receiving the cones in the post, putting them under the CD player and jumping back into bed. I hit play to a Stereophonics album, I jumped up in bed and couldn't believe what I heard.
Maybe it was just me but the difference was there to hear.
My big OB speaker have always sat on coasters on carpet. Last year I put them on oak cones on carpet and everything tightened up and opened up.
You don't have to buy the cones from RA they are a lot cheaper from ebay
11-09-2013, 19:50
jason

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Originally Posted by The Black Adder

I'm afraid I'm also of a skeptical opinion regarding the cones in those positions and I'm afraid and I'm a total unbeliever in regards to wooden cable risers.. That's a lot of green to lay out. Be good to hear your report back once you have had a good listen. If I could make a suggestion, if you could do this over a relaxed time frame and live with them for a while I feel that would be more beneficial.

I have tried cones on cd players which sit on glass surfaces and found them to improve the stage, but place the player on a fully wooden surface and the result is negotiable to no difference.

Nice neat system though. :)

Thanks Joe and yes your right there I'll take the time to relax and listen over some time, then I think I'll remove them again too to see what the difference has really been:)
11-09-2013, 19:53
jason

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovereign

Placing oak cones under my CD player was the first tweak I did, many moons ago now.
My hifi was in my bedroom at the time, I remember receiving the cones in the post, putting them under the CD player and jumping back into bed. I hit play to a Stereophonics album, I jumped up in bed and couldn't believe what I heard.
Maybe it was just me but the difference was there to hear.
My big OB speaker have always sat on coasters on carpet. Last year I put them on oak cones on carpet and everything tightened up and opened up.
You don't have to buy the cones from RA they are a lot cheaper from ebay

Hi James I did spot the ones on ebay and was going to get them but I think I would of always wondered if the RAs ones would have been better, then knowing me I would still ended up getting them too:)
11-09-2013, 21:07
Audioman

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Originally Posted by jason

Hi James I did spot the ones on ebay and was going to get them but I think I would of always wondered if the RAs ones would have been better, then knowing me I would still ended up getting them too:)

They are both Oak and cones - won't be much difference. These basically have the same effect as spikes but less ringing if you have glass shelves. If you upgrade your coax a Mark Grant HD1000 does a fine job. I can't see any more expensive making much difference as you are just transferring a digital signal. RA just charges about 10 times what it costs him. He tried to buy speaker stands from a guy who sells on Ebay at around £150 and was aiming to resell for £800.
11-09-2013, 21:44
The Black Adder

Cool man, take your time with them but I really would suggest to save your money and get the ones on ebay.. As Paul said matey... Oak is Oak. Unless he's developed a new kind of Oak of course... lol

Step away from the fluff.. lol :eyebrows:
12-09-2013, 06:33
The Black Adder

In fact our good ol MCRU sell them... Great price too.

http://www.mains-cables-r-us.co.uk/e...-set-of-3.html
16-09-2013, 15:14
jason

Thanks for the help guy's and the link;)
17-09-2013, 06:07
Gordon Steadman

I have a load of oak in my woodpile. And a lathe!!:eyebrows:

A normal set of four round things would probably be about £20 but if you want audiophile quality, its £100:doh:

I can see the wanting to gut nice stuff for the hi-fi but I just can't understand why anyone would want to pay rip off prices for something any half decent turner could do blindfold.

PS. I reckon the cost price of each foot would be about £1. That includes materials, electricity, time and deterioration of tools. Each one would take me about two minutes. There must be woodturners in yellow pages.
17-09-2013, 16:46
337alant

Great system Gordon minimalist but stylish ;)

Alan
17-09-2013, 16:53
Gordon Steadman

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Originally Posted by 337alant

Great system Gordon minimalist but stylish ;)

Alan

Actually, its Jason's system but I agree with your comment!!:)
17-09-2013, 17:27
jason

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Steadman

I have a load of oak in my woodpile. And a lathe!!:eyebrows:

A normal set of four round things would probably be about £20 but if you want audiophile quality, its £100:doh:

I can see the wanting to gut nice stuff for the hi-fi but I just can't understand why anyone would want to pay rip off prices for something any half decent turner could do blindfold.

PS. I reckon the cost price of each foot would be about £1. That includes materials, electricity, time and deterioration of tools. Each one would take me about two minutes. There must be woodturners in yellow pages.

I totally see what you mean Alan and I agree with other members that oak is oak. But how come RA's are charging so much and why do people buy them, I've seen the ones on ebay at just a few quid so I'm wondering sound aside are the RA's ones better made ie a more solid oak if its possible?
17-09-2013, 17:42
Gordon Steadman

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Originally Posted by jason

I totally see what you mean Alan and I agree with other members that oak is oak. But how come RA's are charging so much and why do people buy them, I've seen the ones on ebay at just a few quid so I'm wondering sound aside are the RA's ones better made ie a more solid oak if its possible?

Whilst its true that there are different varieties of oak, I don't think the density varies that much between them. I don't know why oak should used apart from the fact that its tough stuff and will stand having bloody great speakers shoved on top of it.

I use oak domes to take the spikes under my speakers - to protect the floor. Its very dense indeed, made from old beams. I remain unconvinced that its the material anyway, I'm sure that if there is a real result, its more likely to be the very small surface that the equipment rests on. So spikes or wood?? Is there a difference? Dunno!
17-09-2013, 17:56
jason

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Steadman

Whilst its true that there are different varieties of oak, I don't think the density varies that much between them. I don't know why oak should used apart from the fact that its tough stuff and will stand having bloody great speakers shoved on top of it.

I use oak domes to take the spikes under my speakers - to protect the floor. Its very dense indeed, made from old beams. I remain unconvinced that its the material anyway, I'm sure that if there is a real result, its more likely to be the very small surface that the equipment rests on. So spikes or wood?? Is there a difference? Dunno!

Now I've had time to think about it Alan I'm not convinced anymore that there would be any difference between the RA's ones and the ones on ebay but I'm £104.00 down now so I'll have to live with it LOL. I think in the future though if I get anymore hi fi boxes I'll buy some of the cheap ones on ebay and swap them with the RA's and see if there is any difference. I think I got caught up in the moment when I looked on the RA's site:lol::sofa:
17-09-2013, 22:39
Sovereign

I bought 40mm oak dowel and had one of my carpenters turn it for me into cones. I have loads, maybe 15 or so, Russ Andrews oak cones and the difference in density is large. The RA ones are very dense and heavy, the ones I had made were lighter and the grain is further apart and therefore the ones I had made are less dense.
Do they sound any different? I have no idea, never compared them but I would suggest RA uses a better quality oak then what is readily available.
17-09-2013, 22:48
walpurgis

You've just reminded me, I must set my lathe up. Here's a tip if you want some nice wood for cones etc., have a poke around the charity shops. They often have old imported carvings and statues made of rosewood and the like going cheap.
18-09-2013, 04:46
Gordon Steadman

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

I bought 40mm oak dowel and had one of my carpenters turn it for me into cones. I have loads, maybe 15 or so, Russ Andrews oak cones and the difference in density is large. The RA ones are very dense and heavy, the ones I had made were lighter and the grain is further apart and therefore the ones I had made are less dense.
Do they sound any different? I have no idea, never compared them but I would suggest RA uses a better quality oak then what is readily available.

Any dowel is going to be made of cheap stuff, mostly sapwood, strong enough for the purpose. The dense bit is the heartwood and that is where any quality timber resides. We use the sapwood I cut off for kindling on the fire.

I suppose one could be impressed that RA's supplier knows his stuff but not by the retail price which is somewhat less than reasonable.

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