Both. Well worth the cost IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by colinB
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Both. Well worth the cost IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by colinB
Quick up-date, similar good results have been obtained on the M2Tech Young DAC and the Arcam R-Dac, and yes the PSU is available in silver to match the R-Dac.
Any special offers on the Touch PS for AOS members ?
Regards
sorry not possible, 20% of the sales price goes to the chancellor which leaves nothing for me more or less!Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleTone
at £165 some have called it a no brainer as similar products cost £300+ and a few of my customers have said mine sounds better than at least 2 well known brands of touch PSU :)
Chaps, linear is probably my next step in the 'never-ending-quest'. I run the Touch into a modified Caiman, where do I get most bang for my buck?
Forgive my electronics ignorance (I went to school when the teachers were constantly on strike): can I swap the psu between devices to see for myself?
Is there a product in the mains cable world that allows me to power both devices linearly, ie one psu with two individually adjustable outputs? I'd imagine if this was technically possible it would be attractive at, say 1.5x the cost of the single version... Just a thought.
I'm sure Nick would make you such a beast, ask him.
OTOH you could do what I did - a dual output linear PSU off eBay with existing outputs at the level you want or a little above and then add a regulator (DIY or 'ask a friend') and JLH Ripple Eater to each output - job done, excellent result and possibly the cheaper option but has a big downside: - p**s poor WAF and takes up a bit of space :( .
Dave.
Guys I'm off to Houston in a couple of weeks' time. I'm hoping I can pick up an SB Touch over there cheaply, ditch the PSU and buy one of Dave's. Any pitfalls you can see?
Only thing with that is I've tried a couple of different supplies on the Touch and Nick's is better than the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveK
None that I can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
Voltage? 120v US vs 240v UK??Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
Why is the US mains voltage an issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveK
The Touch runs on 5vdc.
Did you miss the 'ditch the PSU' bit?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveK
If bought in USA the PSU that comes in the box will take 120v AC and give out 5v DC with a mains plug to suit US sockets. Replacing that with a UK suitable one may make a mess of the hoped for savings, and if you get stuck for duty and trying to avoid paying it on your return to UK the sums may look very different. I know thare are lots of 'may be' in there but perhaps they should be considered?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stratmangler
Apologies if I'm worrying unnecessarily :) .
Dave.
Oooops, yes chaps, I did - sorry, but it still may affect the sums?Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
Yes, I appreciate that Dave. I will check prices at Best Buy et al and only buy one if the savings are large. Frankly, if the pricing is dollar-for-pound then it'll be worth buying. I don't care about chucking the PSU because I'll be buying a high quality UK spec PSU on my return.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveK
The stock PSU on the touch is 100/110/120/220/240v 50/60Hz. The only problem is the mains plug plate is US only. You'll have to source a plug plate with UK pins. Or buy the linear PSU.
PC World have the Squeezebox Touch at £199.99, and that includes shipping and VAT.
I was at Ali's place yesterday afternoon and we tried my home made PSU on his touch. Mine uses an spower regulator and the usual other bits. David/Lurcher's PSU was easily better!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Tait
Bugger, now I have to get one... :doh:
Aye, but at least you know there is better to be had from the Touch!
I'm going to have to ask Marco to ban posts like this ;) - it usually costs me money :lol: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Canetoad
I know what you mean only too well! :doh:
Dude a man of your resources must have £200 in his back pocket for a Touch from Currys or PC World surely...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
Well I do, Dave, but I only started thinking about getting one recently and I've just spent £4,500 on the P10, so a small bargain would be fun to find :)
:eek: :stalks: :eek: :stalks: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
Flaming hell :eek:
That was a good discount, Mark. The list price is £4,999.
EDIT: or possibly more.
Must be your charming personality Martin :) Well done, it's still much more expensive that I thought though :eyebrows:Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
A super titan only costs 6k! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
The new Isotek genesis mains re-generator costs £12,9995.00 OMG!
Wish I lived closer, would pop down with a Titan and a syncro for a bake off. Next time I go to Slough I may detour to Ascot.
Just to answer a couple of PM's about supplies, yep, its entirely possible to put two or more into a single case, the case would cost more than the standard part so the cost would not just be a multiple of the individual supplies. I would probably use one of the Alu modushop ones that the Tannoy active crossover went into. The extra space would allow for bigger transformers as well for that matter.
Have a read here, one day offer at Logitech :Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16542
The offer code does work and makes the offer price £168.35 :)
Thanks, Dave. I'm not supposed to spend money before I go abroad ;)
Will think about this later...
Well may as well get one for myself then...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by lurcher
To power a Touch and a Techy, saves on space for sure. :)
Mine has just arrived.
Listened to a few "reference" tracks with the standard Squeezebox Touch PSU to get some frame of reference in my mind.
Note: I have been doing this for a nigh on a week or so since getting the new Bushmaster DAC.
Swapped out the standard PSU for the new Mains Cable one, waited for the discovery of USB files process to pass and then listened again to the reference tracks...
!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't say it was Chalk & Cheese, but I would say there is a significant improvement in low level detail retrieval, instrument / mix placement and finer bass control, its like the PSU is like an addition to the Sum of the Parts if you know what I mean.
I guess the question will be, is it worth being a two hundred pound Part of the Sum, first initial impressions say yes, there was certainly a wow this shouldn't be making that much difference, but it does kind of mind set when listening, long term is I guess where it's at.
Being a fan of the MCRU Touch power supply, I recently had a chance to hear the MCRU Touch PSU from higher up the range, the £600 one.
I don't have my £200 supply any more to directly compare but from memory it sounded better, a step up in quality from the £200 one.
A very enjoyable listen, hadn't listened to the Touch for a while and I was surprised how good it sounded.
As far as I know the differences between the lower spec one and this is the internal wiring is now kimber throughout, furutech fuses and better connectors.
I think also that Nick Gorham (Lurcher) has sprinkled some more of his magic on it too.
Don't quote me though as I'm not exactly sure though, I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that.
£600 is a lot of money for a PSU, but the Touch is a very capable source especially when used with a good Dac and the latest EDO software mods.
Its good that there are options at the different price points depending on your budget and how much you want to get out of your Touch.
Just latest EDO or was TT 3.0 installed gaz?
latest EDO Jerry
Can you have both on at the same time?
Bit out the loop with all the Touch stuff.
I'm still running EDO v5. Has anyone noticed any positive or negative improvement with EDO v7?
I can't say I have noticed much difference Martin. There is a big fuss on the Touch Audiophile forum about v7 being inferior but I haven't noticed it.
Can you have both on at the same time?
Bit out the loop with all the Touch stuff.
Yes Gaz but the buffer reverts to 20000
Cheers Jerry,Quote:
Originally Posted by Covenant
I'll have a play with it later on.
(no sniggering at the back please)
I am using the "stock" EDO settings here, I do seem to get slight harshness in playback, but I am coming to the conclusion it is my listening environment that is causing this...
I have my hifi in the conservatory which is rectangular the long side being approximately five meters or so and short length three and a half, I have a three seater settee in there and the speakers are firing at angles inwardly on the short length form each corner roughly.
Understandably there are a lot of reflective surfaces going on here and I know this is what is causing minor harshness in upper mids to my system, there's not a lot I can do about this as the wife is not going to allow me to start hanging carpets etc, etc in there to tame it all, and there us no other room I could get the system into...
(its a nightmare in there when it is raining as you could guess)
Which version EDO are you using, Russell? My v5 doesn't appear to have any settings but I hear variable opinions on v7.
I am on EDO version 7, I know there ways of prising version 5 onto the Touch, but I honestly don't think this is an area that needs exploration, as I can't see that helping due to the environment the system is in.
I am open to trying it and I may do when I can motivate myself to
I'm still trying to get my head around the concept of a negative improvement :eyebrows:Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
To be honest Martin, I didn't notice any audible difference going from EDOv5 to EDOv7.
EDOv7 just gives you a number of changeable options (buffer sizes and what have you) that EDOv5 didn't give you.
Good to know, Russell & Chris. Am I fairly safe upgrading to v7 then? I read elsewhere that 'small buffers' is the best setting. Have either of you tried playing with these settings?
I wouldn't want any 'negative improvements' ;)
I want V4 back, it was all about the tone, man :smoking:
I've just left everything on default.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
Most of the settings are to do with USB anyway.
What internal mods I have is a mystery!
The one I'd strongly recommend, Dave, is the EDO (Enhanced Digital Output) add-in. If you're streaming out to a DAC (and anyone properly using a Touch should be running an external DAC), then it's a way of dramatically improving sound quality.
I send my Touch away for any mods that need doing, I have the country's foremost Touch Tweaker at my disposal. Top bloke he is. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT