Marco's latest vintage marvel....

Absolutely, Dave. You've hit the nail on the head with this:

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Looking at some of the tests and knowing Mr Colloms at the time from mid-distance, I reckon that some of these pickups were slagged off because of the "next big thing..."

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That's the problem, and as people are predisposed to believing what 'experts' say, what they write, is what sticks in their mind. That's why, on AoS, I'm determined to break through that prejudice and alert people to exactly what they're missing out on with some vintage gear! ;)

Thanks for the info on the hierarchical pecking order of the various Goldrings, which is noted.

I intend to try a 'posher' elliptical stylus on the G800 (and of course the NOS one I've got coming), so that will be interesting, but I'm not necessarily expecting to prefer it.

Marco.

Can I just check something with 'those in the know', as it were. Did the G800 range all use the same generator and body (or similar), and so the various models simply had a different stylus profile?


I've been having a good listen today to the beastie, and I know exactly what it reminds me of in my system: the 'cooking' DL-103 (when partnered optimally), only better!

The G800 has a similar musical presentation: very rhythmic, musically fluid, with a beautifully expressive midrange full of subtlety, texture and tonal colour, but without the graininess and slightly recessed high frequencies of the stock 103.

However, it has the 103's tight bouncy bass, cavernous low frequency extension, and overall 'fun factor'. It also has wideband soundstaging, exquisite stereo separation, and filigree detailing, the latter which somewhat escapes the 'cooking' 103, making the G800 a most addictive listen.

Furthermore, does anyone know if the G800 uses Alnico magnets? I'm sure I can hear their 'house signature', which I absolutely adore :)

It also shares some traits with the Shure M3D, although it doesn't quite have its level of midrange magic, a la SPU, or the former's slightly fruity bass, therefore I'd say that the G800 is a cross between the DL-103 and M3D, which as I own all three cartridges, I can say with some confidence.

Not bad for a cartridge that cost me the grand total of £14.70! However, there is still further tweaking to do, as I feel that some more mass is needed, and so I've ordered this little chap from Analogue Seduction:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...EOIBSA:GB:1123

...which I'll be popping onto the LT-12 headshell, thus allowing me also to use the heavy Jelco counterweight balance (the cartridge/headshell combo at the moment isn't heavy enough), and in total increase the tonearm's effective mass. BEWARE: this is not a cartridge which will perform optimally in a low to medium mass tonearm. It is a traditional low-compliance design.

I've also found that VTF is better set at 2.7g, as opposed to 2.5g, which is where everything clicks into place. It's all good fun! I'll update further, as and when I have anything new to add :cool:

Oh, and Barry wanted to know how the Shure SC35C compared with the Goldring.... Well, quite simply, there is no comparison, as the G800 trounces it! More on that later.

Marco.

Marco, as far as I'm aware, all the G800's used the same body. They're "induced magnet" types, hence the magnet disc above the stylus assembly and just behind the "G" on the front. ADC used similar techniques, which I believe to be a moving "magnetisable material" rather than a moving fixed magnet, if you know what I mean.

The original G800 may have all but bottomed out at 2.7g, the G800H being the one for that play-weight. HOWEVER, please follow link below -

http://es.shure.com/idc/groups/tech_...a425(1-68).pdf

I can't lift the relevant text, but halfway down, there's a reference to after-market M3-D styli (I'm assuming this was written in the early 70's or late 60's at the earliest, around the time the M75 series was launched). The variation between all the then available pattern styli was horrendous. I know that automated production would help hugely here, but I suspect the aftermarket G800 stylus would be different (better?) than the original.

Hi Dave,

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Marco, as far as I'm aware, all the G800's used the same body.

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Ah, thanks for the info. It's what I suspected, and rather proves my point that the Goldring *is* a quality cartridge, if the 800E and Super E were so highly regarded in their day.

It's the generator which is at the 'business end' of how a cartridge intrinsically sounds. The stylus type simply alters the final presentation, therefore which one is 'superior' will depend on how one prefers music reproduced, vis-à-vis the sonic signatures of conical vs. elliptical styli.

Me? I'll happily trade a (little) fine detail retrieval and treble extension for the 'boogie factor' and natural tonality of a nice conical tip.

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The original G800 may have all but bottomed out at 2.7g, the G800H being the one for that play-weight.

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Ok, that's interesting. You can solve something for me then: First of all, this is the stylus I'm using:

http://www.stylusplus.co.uk/stylus-f...dge-7231-p.asp

Observe where it says:

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Tracking Weight: 2 - 4 Grams

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So, at 2.7g, I'm still well within the recommended range. However, it isn't an original G800 stylus, although it is a conical type :)

Now, going back to the G800H you mentioned, have a look here, and scroll down about a quarter of the way to where the D-110H and D-110E styli are shown:

http://www.adelcom.net/GoldringStylus1.htm

Could those be used with my G800 cartridge?

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HOWEVER, please follow link below -

[urlhttp://es.shure.com/idc/groups/tech_pubs/@global_managed/documents/webcontent/us_pro_m80e_ug_27a425(1-68).pdf[/url]

I can't lift the relevant text, but halfway down, there's a reference to after-market M3-D styli (I'm assuming this was written in the early 70's or late 60's at the earliest, around the time the M75 series was launched). The variation between all the then available pattern styli was horrendous. I know that automated production would help hugely here, but I suspect the aftermarket G800 stylus would be different (better?) than the original.

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Interesting! I'll have a look at that. Meanwhile your answer to the above question would be useful - churz :cool:

Marco.

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Brilliant:)

The Lab 80 rumble-box has all the classic "idler" qualities of pitch and subtle timbre and the arm is actually perfect for the job - and with a solid cast headshell too. Some screws needed tightening and now the arm doesn't rattle around and retains low friction. even the auto-trip which has its roots in the 50's models seems to behave at side end. The "Ed Saunders M55E" sounds lovely in it and the bass now behaves itself, unlike in the Dual 701, where the bass was a bit thick and indistinct.

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What is the "Ed Saunders M55E" Dave?

I have sample of the Shure M55E that I have been meaning to dig out and give it a listen. The M55E was my first 'serious' cartridge after the M3D, and at the time I much preferred it to the M3D.

SME used to show the M55E fitted into the 3009 arm in adverts of the time. That was what prompted me to buy one.

Regards

OOOOOWWWWWWW - those prices Marco..

I can't exactly remember, but the original G800H was around 2.5 to 3g, the G800 around 2 to 2.5g, the 800E around 1.25 - 1.75g and the Super E about 1.25 IIRC. Of course, back then "we" tracked as low as possible with no understanding of proper groove contact. A call to Expert Styli may be worthwhile, as a worn original may be better retipped with a naked diamond? Jico do a D110 stylus and this could be considered too - the one you have may be this already with any luck...

I've just found a foreign site giving original G800 specs as compliance "20" and suggested playing weight as 1 - 3g, which is about right according to memory.

Barry, if you look on fleabay, you'll see that Ed Saunders in the US has some hand finished re-makes of the Shure V15 series and a couple of others. These styli are Swiss made (not Jico's) and the diamonds are hand set the Rega way (with a shadow-graph). I understand that Rega styli are sourced in Switzerland as well and fitted to their bodies here. All I can tell you is that the Ed Saunders stylus sounds very sweet, the ssssssparkle in extreme treble well controlled and not intrusive I think. Tracking is ok if not as spectacular as later V15 models (the M55E was the V15mk1 I understand) and only Grace & Danger by John Martyn defeats it (SSsssweet little Myssssstery ;))

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OOOOOWWWWWWW - those prices Marco..

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Thanks for the info, Dave, but does that mean the 'D-110H' and 'D-110E' styli shown on that site are compatable with my G800, or not? :scratch:

I need to know before I order any, dude.

Marco.

They'll fit the body and work as well as they can. The "E" would be my choice as treble "should" be clearer. The H wouldn't be necessary as it's more for old Garrards like the old SP25's and older 4HF's etc... I can't remember if the main difference between the 800 and 800H wasn't output as well (so long ago, sorry), the "H" being higher..

Ok, churz. I might give the 'E' a go if I can't find it cheaper somewhere else :)

Marco.

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Originally Posted by DSJR

Barry, if you look on fleabay, you'll see that Ed Saunders in the US has some hand finished re-makes of the Shure V15 series and a couple of others. These styli are Swiss made (not Jico's) and the diamonds are hand set the Rega way (with a shadow-graph). I understand that Rega styli are sourced in Switzerland as well and fitted to their bodies here. All I can tell you is that the Ed Saunders stylus sounds very sweet, the ssssssparkle in extreme treble well controlled and not intrusive I think. Tracking is ok if not as spectacular as later V15 models (the M55E was the V15mk1 I understand) and only Grace & Danger by John Martyn defeats it (SSsssweet little Myssssstery ;))

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Thanks for that Dave. I'll get around to fitting the stock M55E in my SME and see how it sounds. Then maybe later I track down one of those Ed Saunders stylii. But only after I've had one of my Deccas worked on by Presence Audio.

Actually that track off 'Grace and Danger' should sound like "Schweet little meeschtery" ;), just like the track "Walking on sausages" :lol:

Regards

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Ok, churz. I might give the 'E' a go if I can't find it cheaper somewhere else :)

Marco.

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Marco, give Goldring a call mate. They have said that they can re-tip my 900IGC with a Van Den Hull, now that would be interesting to hear on your G800 ;)

p.s. If we get the opportunity to meet up sometime, I'll bring the G900 with me to try on your deck. I think you may get even more of what you are hearing from your G800 ;)

Nice one. Sounds like a plan, Dave. I like the idea of re-tipping, which I'll probably have that done with the original stylus when it arrives :)

Marco.

The 900 series was a HUGE departure from what went before, the sonics becoming almost etched and sharp by comparison. I loved the 910 and 920 "IGC" models and these would be well tamed in a good modern turntable. I suspect the 1042 uses similar mechanicals in a different body...

I need to drag out the decent M75-ED I have, as this may be the bridge between the very old and more current designs.

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The 900 series was a HUGE departure from what went before, the sonics becoming almost etched and sharp by comparison.

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Mmm... If that's true, then it won't be my cup of tea. The G800 (in my system) doesn't lack top-end extension, nor is not dull or 'plummy' in the slightest. It just sounds 'right': beautifully musical, with a very well judged tonal balance.

If the 900 series went all forensic and 'etched' sounding, like for example how the current Goldring designs sound, or bloody Ortofons or Audio Technica MMs, then I'll give it a miss.

I'd still like Dave to bring it along, though, so I can have a listen for myself :)

Marco.

Got the M75-ED out, cantilever looked ever-so-slightly bent and promptly fractured when I tried to straighten it!!!! You'd have thought I'd know by now, wouldn't you :(

Nightmare, Dave.... The good thing though about MMs is that the styli are easily replaced :)

Marco.

But what happens if you want a good original Shure one??????? :steam:

Mmm....you have a point. Mind you, if it was bent, chances are it was fooked before you tried to straighten it....

Marco.

One thing I wonder about with these 30 to 40 year old cartridges. Even if the stylus had never been used, wouldn't the rubber, nitrile, polyurethane or whatever used in the cantilever suspension have deteriorated over the years?

Perhaps, Shane, in some instances, but I certainly can't hear anything wrong with the sample I have :)

Marco.

I've just bought another original G800 stylus, which comes with a free cartridge:


http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8...ggi22bnjkl.jpg

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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWNX:IT


I spied that on eBay last night, and bagged it. The styus looks in really good nick and perhaps better than the original one on the other G800 I bought, so I thought 'what the hell?'. I can always sell the surplus cartridges to folks who might fancy trying one of these babies :)

I'll also have three samples from which to judge if there is any evidence of "the rubber, nitrile, polyurethane or whatever used in the cantilever suspension, having deteriorated over the years", as Shane suggested earlier could possibly be the case. If so, I'll simply keep the best sample. It's nice to have a choice ;)

Anyway, look out for the results of my 'stylus rolling', soon!

Marco.

My 900IGC is certainly not a lowrider, so I guess all is well with it. I have it tracking @ 2gms in my SME SeriesIII simply because it sounds far more composed at this weight. Because that is a little over the recommended tracking weight I'm sure any cantilever suspension problems would be apparent.

Marco, the 900IGC doesn't sound at all analytical in the SeriesIII, and it is far more refined than a 1042. The proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say, so we'll just have to wait and see, or rather hear... ;)

By the way, is Scalford Hall in Rutland the same Scalford Hall where the show is held, because if it is, I live just a 30 minute drive away?

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By the way, is Scalford Hall in Rutland the same Scalford Hall where the show is held, because if it is, I live just a 30 minute drive away?

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Yes, 3 miles out of Melton Mowbray :)

Thanks Mark, then I shall defo be at the next show ;)

The SME III was a "subtle" performer, to put it mildly, so an energetic cartridge will be all for the better in this arm I think.

It'll be very interesting to hear the results of Marco's stylus bakeoff too. The Lab 80's got some balls missing (not all my fault I can assure you ;)), but replacements are ordered and hopefully will be with me tomorrow..

I tried a borrowed 1042 in the LVX+ on the TD316 and the result was not pleasant. It was very shrill at the top end and I suspect the LVX+ was having problems keeping it under control. I haven't had the opportunity to try one in the SeriesIII as yet and I'm not sure it would work well in this arm anyhow.

I agree that the G900 and the SeriesIII are an excellent match Dave. In fact, when Chris demonstrated the TD160 mk2/SeriesIII/900IGC at his place when I went to pick it up, we were both blown away by the gorgeous sound it produced. It would appear there is a little bit of magic going on in this combo. I'd love to bring the deck to a bake-off because the whole seems to be better than the sum of its parts, relatively speaking of course. My only gripe with the SeriesIII is that it is a fooker to set up. I still haven't got it quite right... :rolleyes:

The 1042 is a strange beastie, truth be told and not universal as the cheaper ones can be. Stick one in a Rega 3 and it's fine, but try it in something lively and it's just as you suggest, sting in the treble and lead footed in the bass.....

To be fair to the Basik Plus arm, it may be past its best now. they weren't all that strong and the mechanical joints may be loose or fatigued now, let alone the counterweight insert, which can turn to goo after a few years, let alone twenty five years as many of these are now.

I had been warned about the little issues that crop up in LVX's over the years from quite a few Vinyl Engine members, so I had it checked out. I'm glad to say that this particular LVX+ is as fit as a fiddle. Not that it'll be mine for much longer because in just 40mins from me posting this, it'll have sold on eBay along with the my Thorens TD316... :lol:

Hi Dave,

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Marco, the 900IGC doesn't sound at all analytical in the SeriesIII, and it is far more refined than a 1042. The proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say, so we'll just have to wait and see, or rather hear... ;)

By the way, is Scalford Hall in Rutland the same Scalford Hall where the show is held, because if it is, I live just a 30 minute drive away?

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As Mark's said, yup, dat's da one... Be good to see you there next year - it's a good giggle! :)

I dislike the 1042 with a passion - it epitomises what I detest about the voicing of most modern cartridges, and as Dave says, it takes the blandness of a stock RB300 to nullify its forensic excesses!

I can well believe that the 900IGC is a nice sounding cartridge, as it still comes from an era when manufacturers voiced cartridges by not sacrificing musicality to obtain a falsely 'pumped up' sound, which to some sounds superficially impressive - for five minutes, anyway!!

Whether or not I'll prefer it to the 800, as you say, only listening will tell, so I look forward to our future sesh :cool:

Marco.

Ok guys, a small update on proceedings......

One of the original Goldring styli has arrived, along with the 3g headshell weight from Analogue Seduction, and I've been having a bit of a play. I don't have a microscope, but with the naked eye, it still looks nicely sharp and pointy, and when used, sonically, I can detect little, if any, significant signs of wear. So in that respect, I've won a watch! :)

The original stylus is, sonically, a rather more refined beast (DSJR was correct in that respect - nice one, Dave!) than the modern replacement I had been using. It's not a 'night & day' difference, as one would expect, but it does raise the bar to a higher level again by tidying up a slight raggedness and adding a soupçon of 'polish' and refinement, giving upper frequencies a 'creamier' quality, without the loss of any definition or sparkle.

Bass, interestingly, goes even deeper now (not that it was lacking in any way before), but it hits harder and yet still has that infectious bouncy and rhythmic quality to it, which is really addictive, and that I associate in particular with the DL-103, when optimally partnered and set-up. Detail retrieval has also gone up a notch or two.

I've now fitted the 3g headshell weight to my AT LT-12, giving an overall mass of 15g at the headshell end of the Jelco, which the low-compliance G800 positively LOVES, and together with this and the addition of the heavy Jelco counterweight balance, I feel that I've now got the effective mass of the tonearm spot on.

I can't stress this enough: a high-mass tonearm is absolutely essential in order to hear what this cartridge is TRULY capable of, otherwise you will only hear a fraction of its potential, and perhaps rather foolishly, even dismiss is completely!

The original Goldring stylus also (as DSJR correctly said) is right at the top of its usable range at 2.7g (modern replacement styli for some reason must allow for higher tracking forces), and the cartridge sounded distinctly 'squashed' with that level of VTF, so I backed it off to 2.5g, which is now spot on. Anti-skate is thus set identically.

I'm looking forward to trying the other original stylus, when it arrives, to see if there's any difference, and if I can obtain any further improvement. Interestingly, this original stylus is a yellowy cream colour, and the one that's coming is bright white, both with 'Goldring' written on the front. Would anyone know if that means anything, such as one of them perhaps being an earlier version?

Anyway, now that I've got the effective mass spot on, and fitted an original stylus, the sound I'm getting from the G800 is, quite frankly, astonishingly good: I'd say that in terms of the overall quality of its music-making, it's as good as or better than any modern cartridge up to around £500, perhaps more. It's so good, in fact, that I wouldn't hesitate to put it up against any of the current Nagaoka MMs (which are themselves superb) - yes even the MP500 at some £630!

It is my intention to demonstrate the G800 at next year's Scalford Hall event to show just how good some vintage cartridges can sound in a modern system. I'm expecting more than a few raised eyebrows!! :eyebrows:

It certainly, in my opinion, outperforms any of the current Goldring range (or Audio Technicas), unless you happen to get off on that thin-toned, rather forward and clinical, treble-emphasised sound, so many of today's cartridges produce.

For those who love the 'BBC broadcast sound', as it was in its heyday, you simply must find a G800 with an original stylus, pop it on a high-mass pick-up arm, on a nice idler or direct-drive T/T, replay it through a good system, and then sit back and revel in audio nirvana!! I'll return later with some updated pics, showing the G800 fitted with its new stylus.

I've also discovered something else recently which has proved to be a bit of a revelation...... All will be revealed in due course in a separate thread in Strokes of Genius, so look out for that one, particularly modded Techy users! ;)

Ok, I must go off and do some work now.... Laters! :cool:

Marco.

I don't have a review of the G800 (not till I get my scanner to HiFi dave's anyway...), but the 820 needed around 3 grammes to track correctly, so therefore 2.7g seems fine and safe, with 1.75g for the 800E being ok too I'll bet.

I don't know when mine are coming, so I'll try to get another A70/Lab 80 headshell first, as I reckon the arm on this deck may be even massier than the Goldring Lenco GL75/78 arms.. Now all the balls are in situ on the main and tonearm bearing races, the deck is running very sweetly indeed and apart from a gentle throb from a slight flat on the still-soft idler tyre, the rumble seems more than low enough for good quality reproduction and I'm loving this deck to bits - thanks Adam :)

Nice one, Dave. When you get a chance to try a G800, I'd be interested to know what you think :)

The G800, chez-moi, is now singing very sweetly indeed. I'm so glad you told me about this cartridge!

Meanwhile, here's a few updated pics, showing the new stylus, the headshell now fitted with a 3g suppliment weight, and something else that's new........... ;)


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3038/img0461k.jpg


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/263/img0460bc.jpg


http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5971/img0463f.jpg


Rock and roll, daddy-o! :gig:

Marco.

Brilliant you just need a new deck now :lolsign:

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The sweep arm's on its way soon, too! ;)

Marco.

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The sweep arm's on its way soon, too! ;)

Marco.

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Electronic or Hydraulic ?

Lol.... Eh? :scratch:

One like this, matey, to brush me fuzzies:


http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/6...0fg0g7bniq.jpg


What were you thinking of? :lol:

Marco.

Michell/Transcriptor Hydraulic or Electronic.

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The sweep arm's on its way soon, too! ;)

Marco.

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You won it? Awesome,

Dave: Transrotor

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Lol.... Eh? :scratch:

One like this, matey, to brush me fuzzies:

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/6...0fg0g7bniq.jpg

What were you thinking of? :lol:

Marco.

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Trust the bristles are soft enough so they won't drive you round the bend trying to 'play' the record! Gave up using a 'Dust Bug' decades ago, as you could hear a very quiet but distorted playback of the record. And highly annoying it was too!

Regards

No, it doesn't do the Dust Bug thing, you can't hear it but it also doesn't really pick up any dust. Who cares though ? It's such a lovely thing.

The stylus brush is also useless but looks great.

I thought Marco might have bought a Transcriptor/Michell deck and not just the brush..:rolleyes:

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Not yet, but I will do! ;)

Barry,

I'm told that the bristles are as soft as the hair on Tabatha's 'nest' :eyebrows:

Marco.

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No, it doesn't do the Dust Bug thing, you can't hear it but it also doesn't really pick up any dust. Who cares though ? It's such a lovely thing.

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Indeed - and that's mainly the point! Along with the vintage Michell clamp, it'll add a retro touch to the Techy :)

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I've love to find one of those!

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I thought Marco might have bought a Transcriptor/Michell deck and not just the brush..:rolleyes:

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I'd love a Transcriptor, as it's undoubtedly one of the most gorgeous creations known to man, but it would only be for an ornament ;)

Marco.

Well, when you have the Sweep Arm and the Stylus Brush, you need a set of their scales to get a full hand.

By the way, the brushes are made from Squirrel hair and are very soft indeed, second only to Sable IMO.:trust:

Just won it.... That's the first one I've seen go for less than £60! :)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=250793569722

Marco.

Brilliant i knew Germany would be the ticket

Yup, and I was fed up losing out on the buggers I was bidding on here! Thanks for the tip, dude :)

It should arrive by the end of the week, so I'll take some pics. It should make the Techy look a little more quirky :eyebrows:

Marco.

I don't think you could use the Styli brush as that needs bolting to the deck, your ok with that sweep arm as it has a weighted base that could, if you want be secured with a bit of two sided but should be fine on it's own

Yeah, dude, I think you're right - the stylus brush is probably a step too far. You see, I have a similar problem to you with (some) hi-fi kit, only kind of the other way round.... :eyebrows:

Generally, I love the look of vintage T/Ts, but much prefer the sound of the modded Techy, so 'retrofying' it a little gives me *some* of what I love about the looks of vintage gear, whilst retaining the (to me) superior sonic performance of the Techy.

It's as near to a 'win-win' in that sense as I'm likely to get. If someone could build a T/T that looked as gorgeous as the Transcriptor, but sounded as good as my modded Techy, I'd snap it up in a shot!! ;)

The 'famous' scene from 'A Clockwork Orange':


http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5...workorange.jpg


:)

Marco.

I've just put an ole Shure V15IV with good original stylus into the Lab 80... The later V15's seemed to have a lower compliance and the damper/brush on the front means one can use tractor like arms like the Garrard one with no stability issues. Sounds good actually and better by far than the M55E did-does.

Now, finding old styli for these old timers is a nightmare, but according to luminaries on the Lenco forum, one can get a good original stylus and have Expert Styli re-tip it with a decent modern elliptical or Paratrace diamond. It all depends on the condition of the rubberised suspension.

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Yeah, dude, I think you're right - the stylus brush is probably a step too far. You see, I have a similar problem to you with (some) hi-fi kit, only kind of the other way round.... :eyebrows:

Generally, I love the look of vintage T/Ts, but much prefer the sound of the modded Techy, so 'retrofying' it a little gives me *some* of what I love about the looks of vintage gear, whilst retaining the (to me) superior sonic performance of the Techy.

It's as near to a 'win-win' in that sense as I'm likely to get. If someone could build a T/T that looked as gorgeous as the Transcriptor, but sounded as good as my modded Techy, I'd snap it up in a shot!! ;)

The 'famous' scene from 'A Clockwork Orange':

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5...workorange.jpg

:)

Marco.

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Get a Transcriptor T/T Marco and you'll be obliged to buy some B&O electronics to go with it (see the photo)! :)

You might be interested to know that there is an article about David Gammon and the Transcriptor products in this month's Hi-Fi News.

Regards