Denon DL103 v DL103R

Try an NVA phono 2. Totally excellent.

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Originally Posted by walpurgis

Nope! It can vary, but I'm currently using a Graham Slee Reflex M and Fidelity Research FRT-3 SUT setup. Sounds lovely!

(I have five SUT choices and change them about. May get another phono stage, but can't see anything at sensible money that will compete with the Reflex M)

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Originally Posted by Floyddroid

I thought i would ask the informed cognoscenti just how much better is the Denon DL103R mc cartridge than the standard DL103? I am intrigued as to whether it is worth the extra outlay:scratch:

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I too am not a believer that the 103r is an improvement over the original 103...but will admit they are different.

If you appreciate the Denon for all that it does then I struggle to believe that the Zyx carts will be up your alley either, but only you can decide that.

There are many companies performing retipping of carts, have you considered having a 103 retipped with an elliptical profile?

Rick.

im positive that this subject has been debated before on a much bigger thread on this very forum?

:rolleyes:Aye right!

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Originally Posted by REXTON

im positive that this subject has been debated before on a much bigger thread on this very forum?

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Just out of interest can anyone shed any light on a couple of queries i have regarding DL103's? I told recently that numerous and unscrupulous companies are making fake 103's which has made me nervous about buying one via the bay of E. I am lead to believe Denon only ship to one European distributor so where is the best place to buy a kosher one? The other query is that if channel balance. I have also been informed that kosher 103's are properly checked for channel imbalance and come with a certificate to indicate this. Can anyone confirm this? There are some bargains to be had on s..t Bay from the U.S.A. Though i am now concerned they may be fakes.:scratch:

Just out of interest can anyone shed any light on a couple of queries i have regarding DL103's? I was told recently that numerous and unscrupulous companies are making fake 103's which has made me nervous about buying one via the bay of E. I am lead to believe Denon only ship to one European distributor so where is the best place to buy a kosher one? The other query is that if channel balance. I have also been informed that kosher 103's are properly checked for channel imbalance and come with a certificate to indicate this. Can anyone confirm this? There are some bargains to be had on s..t Bay from the U.S.A. Though i am now concerned they may be fakes.:scratch:

I would guess that the real issue is that there are a fair number of "gray market" sellers on Ebay, and other places. An online seller called "Comet Supply" used to sell Denon cartridges, and I'm certain they were gray marketers, though I never had an issue with them; they've since ceased distributing phono carts. I have also bought from innovee-tech on Ebay, and haven't had any difficulty with them. A genuine Denon does come with a spec sheet showing what the factory tested each channel's output at, and that is included with the information packet in the box, along with a small white brush for cleaning the stylus.

Speaking of Ebay, there was a seller who was blowing out his stock of aluminum bodies, and I bought a couple. I've since put 2 of the 103s I bought from innovee-tech into them, and potted them with non-magnetic electronics epoxy. Anyway, I see he's changed his design and the current iteration looks more like the body version Zu sells now.

Thanks for the infoTrey. Indeed, it is Innovee trading Denon DL103R's for just over half the money it would cost me in the UK. I have nearly bought one twice but alarm bells keep ringing. Should i or shouldn't i?

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Originally Posted by thankyoumisterman

I would guess that the real issue is that there are a fair number of "gray market" sellers on Ebay, and other places. An online seller called "Comet Supply" used to sell Denon cartridges, and I'm certain they were gray marketers, though I never had an issue with them; they've since ceased distributing phono carts. I have also bought from innovee-tech on Ebay, and haven't had any difficulty with them. A genuine Denon does come with a spec sheet showing what the factory tested each channel's output at, and that is included with the information packet in the box, along with a small white brush for cleaning the stylus.

Speaking of Ebay, there was a seller who was blowing out his stock of aluminum bodies, and I bought a couple. I've since put 2 of the 103s I bought from innovee-tech into them, and potted them with non-magnetic electronics epoxy. Anyway, I see he's changed his design and the current iteration looks more like the body version Zu sells now.

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Hi Steve,

how you doing?

I started a post with exactly the same question - you might want to take alook at some of the comments?:)

http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...ht=denon+DL103


cheers Jim

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Originally Posted by Floyddroid

Just out of interest can anyone shed any light on a couple of queries i have regarding DL103's? I was told recently that numerous and unscrupulous companies are making fake 103's which has made me nervous about buying one via the bay of E. I am lead to believe Denon only ship to one European distributor so where is the best place to buy a kosher one? The other query is that if channel balance. I have also been informed that kosher 103's are properly checked for channel imbalance and come with a certificate to indicate this. Can anyone confirm this? There are some bargains to be had on s..t Bay from the U.S.A. Though i am now concerned they may be fakes.:scratch:

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2juki in HK is the address to buy kosher. i both 2 103 there (not for me though), both excellent (within limits of the design)...