1210 - A deck odyssey

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Originally Posted by speedy.steve

Very interesting.
My SL-1210 with PSU will arrive shortly (I'll update my ongoing thread with progress). As a stop gap I an putting a full OL RB250 with either Sumiko BPS EVOIII ot AT-33 PTG on it.

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Ta
It's horses for courses of course but i replaced an OLsilver250 with the EVO arm (the Terminators' predecessor). It embarrased it imo

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What is it like to use and live with esp after a few beers :cool: (hick).

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The only thing you MUST ENSURE after a few pints, is that the pump is on. If it's not you will watch in horror as your stylus starts making its' way round the record as your cart stays static. I imagine it would then snap and fly across the room :doh:

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Do you have the pump in a pump room?

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My pump is in the spare bedroom which backs onto the sunlounge/listening room.

ps. Thanks to everyone for the kind words

Great write up Garth you took a real leap of faith and glad it worked out for you. Everyone knows my thoughts on the Terminator just think you have to pay crazy money to buy better. I have yet to hear a better arm regardless of price. Everyone gets put of by pump noise but with the new polish finish it is very hard to hear even with the pump in the same room as the arm
Vic is totally dedicated to getting things right and glad he solved your mounting issues.
If you ever get the chance you should hear his TT he made himself I have yet to hear anything better I would love to hear your 1210 sometime as it maybe the way I go in the future

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Originally Posted by muffinman

The only thing you MUST ENSURE after a few pints, is that the pump is on. If it's not you will watch in horror as your stylus starts making its' way round the record as your cart stays static. I imagine it would then snap and fly across the room :doh:

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I'm wondering what would happen in the event of a power cut? Could there be a sudden loss of air support while the platter continues to revolve under its own momentum? :eek:

On the subject of silent air-pumps, I've been searching the web to try and track down the pump that my parents used on their aquarium.

It was German, and looked like a little steam engine with two little pistons attached to each of a shaft which had a large, thin metal disc in the middle. Rather than the disc being a flywheel driven by the pistons, the disc was driven electromagnetically and moved the pistons which worked in tandem to pump the air.

Apart from looking really cool, it was completely, and I mean COMPLETELY silent, had no valves or diaphragms to wear our (the valves were the machined faces of the cylinder and case which opened and closed with the movement as the cylinders oscillated).

They bought it an my suggestion after being disappointed with various others and it must have worked flawlessly for the next 15yrs without any maintenance apart from a drop or two of machine oil every few months.

In fact I'm now wondering if it's still in the house somewhere....

If I find it, or similar on the web, I'll post pics because it's exactly what's needed here.

You'd not hid it away, you'd want it in full view, silently working....

When I had my ET2 arm I built a large surge tank which took moisture out of the air pumped and helped to smooth the flow as well. Do any of you use surge tanks...if not why?

Tank easy to build...get big bottle say one of those used for water coolers in an office. Take tube from pump and feed it to near bottom of tank (making sure you have an air tight seal. Fill tank loosely with lint free cotton. Take air tube feed to arm from top of tank...this tube should be close to the top of the tank. Thats it a surge tank which should ensure smooth flow and no damp in the air. Worked for me with the ET2 so should work well with the Terminator.


Regards D S D L

Hi Neil
The Terminator comes with a surge tank (in the form of a gallon petrol tank). It does smooth the air flow as described but does nothing to remove the mechanical noise of the pump at source.
the pump Steve talks of sounds well worth seeking out.
I must admit I had a little chuckle about the idea of upgrading the pump (in a hifi sense that is). I imagine a search for Teflon lined air hoses would be the logical progression ;-)

Answering Jonners re: the power cut.
this issue was raised on WD around the time of the Evo. General consensus would say that you'd have a pretty good case for compensation. I'd claim, bellydat!

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Originally Posted by twelvebears

On the subject of silent air-pumps, I've been searching the web to try and track down the pump that my parents used on their aquarium.

It was German, and looked like a little steam engine with two little pistons attached to each of a shaft which had a large, thin metal disc in the middle.

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Here you go Steve http://www.aquarist-classifieds.co.u...il59_73984.php

Vic got in touch with those details
He also reminded me that if power is lost, the cart will merely bounce in the groove and will not explode as i thought it might

Excellent Muffinman, thanks for the link & thank Vic for it too.
As these are out of production pumps, but from a UK manufacturer, what prices do they go for in the UK.

Here's a vid of two in operation - very quiet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdhncxI9rUA

There are other vids on youtube but the pumps are not quiet - worn bushings maybe?

Has anybody else got experience of the silence of these pumps?

Here's some other, in production pumps, based on piston operation & purported to be quiet http://www.medousa.com/en/product/de...sp?prd_ln=lpac