Actually, I've just answered my own question. :)
Emagic's logic control
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Actually, I've just answered my own question. :)
Emagic's logic control
Well; I took it to mean non-mechanical - or at least non-manual - control of the transport. The RT-707 Pioneer reel to reel sports 'logic control' from 1978, and they define that in the manual as meaning you can go from forward to play without pressing stop... the implication and actuality was that on pre-logic control kit it was easy to get the buttons jammed by pressing them too quickly one after the other, or to cause belts or gears to jump because the transition between the two mechanical states was too sharp. On most earlier reel machines for example you had to go to stop before play when forwarding and rewinding. Having 'logic' control the transition - with solenoids operating the mechanics based on electronic feedback from the electronic switches, rather than manual paddles and levers - meant it could be controlled more precisely than would be the case with a typical overenthusiastic hi-fi buff at the controls :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Filterlab
Yes I agree that some things have been for to long rated to highly. Quad 2 amps nice but but coloured. I remember back in the late 80's these were rated highly. I even bought a set and a spare for £100 + a pre in a nice wood box with a Garrad TT ( not a good one ). These have sat around the house since then always meant to get them done up, but never got round to it. Leak better but still not the giant killers some think they are.
Radford and Grant are quite good. The problem with old kit is that by the time you make it safe replace faulty bits is it what it was designed to be. The best way of viewing these might be as a framework to play with.
One of the view things to come along that I do think is well worth the hype is the Leak Troughline tuner (thanks to hi-fi World ) for raising the price on these.
I have 3 of these 2 mk 2 and a stereo mk 3. I use the art deco style 2 with a EAR FM decoder. Pure magic. I would love to hear a Day Sequera though.
As to other bits being classics ummm ? Marantz multi bit players 94 mk 1 and 2, CD 12, CD 7. thought the costs for the CD 12 are ridiculous this was a £ 2500 CDP back in 1989. I sold them new back then very good but the Cd 94 mk 2 is as good IMHO for less than half the cost New. And at about £300 S/h pretty good value though a bit coarse in the treble. Just my opinion. Whereas A S?H CDP 12 will cost you up to £2000 now. I once questioned HI-FI guy in Brighton about this, he wasn't very receptive to my offer of what I did think it was worth. Can't blame him though. I always wanted one to complete my Marantz multi bit CDP collection.
There are lots of other things that were good in their day but still hold their own such as the Nak Tape decks but a lot of stuff is bettered by modern kit, though older kit is better made and thus more reliable (for the most part).
I think its all about nostalgia at the end of the day. And sometimes finding stuff that was/is a lot better than it should be or you remember it being.
Regards D S D L ---- Neil :)
It's true that the Troughline is a very, very good tuner for the price at which you can pick them up - (I've also got a Mk2 & did have a Mk 3 - loved 'em both). However, I think it's been waaaaaaaay over-rated and can easily be significantly bettered - maybe not for the price of a Troughline but certainly for the price of a Troughline and a decent decoder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L
There are old models from Sansui, Trio-Kenwood, Accuphase and Pioneer that for me will not only trounce a Troughline, but they'll do it with a much weaker signal too. I couldn't imagine a better FM sound than my old Troughline, but then I started nosing around the 2nd hand market & talking to folks who take tuners really seriously. A couple of years ago, I ended up with an Accuphase T101 for just over £200 - the classic tuner market is a good place to be a buyer at the moment!!
For some, it is just about nostalgia, but there are plenty of other good reasons for owning older gear. Some kit still hasn't been bettered by new designs!!
When I got my Sugden R21 a few people compared it with the Troughline. Are they in the same league? I picked up my Sugden for £25 which seems something like the going price, if so, then it's a steal. For me, the Sugden does well on non-commercial channels where the signal isn't completely compressed. R3 and 4 sound great. Local channels don't sound so good. Be interested in what people have to say if they've had any experience of the Sugden...
Yes the Troughline is a bit of an overpriced item now. Plus the signal strength issue, to much aghhhhhhhhhhhhh, to little, ehhhhhhhhh what. But I love mine. I also have a Revox B260 the first Tuner with RDS from 1988. Very nice and great sensitivity :) My first two( Troughlines )only cost £50 each,but the one with the EAR decoder was £300 ( to much but I had to have it,nice wood box as well. We have to blame hi-fi world for that issue. Thanks for mentioning it now be silent about it). Reminds me of John Ditchfield glass. Nice late 60's early 70's art glass like Tiffany, Gallay, Lalique. Cheap then Bargain Hunt ( BBC Antique TV show ) found it and hyped it to the max. Every Show John Ditchfield. what would have cost a few pounds went to over £100 and above. The average Lilly Pad and dragon Fly is now about £ 160 +( thanks a lot David Dickenson, thanks a bunch). Sorry about that I am into antique Glass ware and Oil lamps.
I like Tuners a lot, so I will certainly check out the Acuphase tuner you mention. I hope analogue switch off, is many years away. Dab suckssssssssssssssssssssss, big time. Even with a good DAC, its crap.OOPS (IMHO). Maybe DAB + will be better. Even Radio of Sky at 192 kb, through a DAC is poor, but better than DAB.
I had a repair guy ( local Genius ) re-do my mk 3 troughline. He put a Motorola decoder into it and recalibration took place, as well. Very nice and better sensitivity. But I still prefer the mk 2 with the EAR decoder.
Regards D S D L----- Neil :)
From The Grave
....slightly topical from Neil's point of view but does anyone have any views on the original points?
THEORY A:
Classic hi-fi is defined by what was current (or cool but unaffordable) in the youth of whichever drooling casualty is defining it. Or it's the stuff that was around when they first got interested in hi-fi (not necessarily the same thing).
THEORY B:
Ebay has turned the whole thing on it's head
THEORY C:
True classic or vintage items must have some degree of 'merit' in addition to age.
Classic gear to me is a product that has 100% character, built like a tank (well some), has a wholesome full bodied sound, some atributes todays hifi lacks.
Theory A + Theory C, or to define it another way: "Everything that I own".
Indeed Chris, very topical considering I am now the owner of an Accuphase T101 (listening to it right now).
Regards D S D L