I totally agree on all counts. If I was going to put it in a new plinth, wood (on its own) is not what I'd use.Quote:
Originally Posted by costerdock
Marco.
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I totally agree on all counts. If I was going to put it in a new plinth, wood (on its own) is not what I'd use.Quote:
Originally Posted by costerdock
Marco.
I wouldn't use wood either, but then the look of the M5G isn't to my taste either, too fussy.
Unless one has experimented with changing the plinth (or any other part) I'll have to take opinion with a pinch of salt. It's all academic though as nobody does aftermarket plinths.
Well you say that, but you don't really know unless you have tried different direct drive solutions with all the other bits you have added bolted on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
You've compared to an SP10, but presumably that had the stock bearing, bearing mounting plate, platter, power supply, feet etc. - what would it sound like with the same amount of care taken to improve it...
Looks, of course, are a matter of personal taste. I happen to like the look of the MK5G, although minus the (superfluous to requirements) pitch controls, it would be a lot better.
Honestly, if I thought for one second that the plinth was significantly holding back the T/T's performance, I'd have done something about it. Quite clearly, however, it isn't, as otherwise the T/T couldn't possibly sound as good as it does!
Why don't I bring it round to your place and you can have a listen for yourself, and compare it with your own? :)
Marco.
Sure, but in life not everything is possible. Let's just say that experience tells me that the motor unit in the Techincs is, sonically, rather special. Nothing, however, is perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by YNWaN
I've compared my modded SL-1210 to about seven (very different) SP10s, and none of them made me go 'wow, I must have that', otherwise me being me, I'd have bought one by now ;)Quote:
You've compared to an SP10, but presumably that had the stock bearing, bearing mounting plate, platter, power supply, feet etc. - what would it sound like with the same amount of care taken to improve it...
Yes, undoubtedly a similarly (judiciously) modified SP10 would most likely be even better, but I don't see anyone currently producing the necessary bits you've mentioned to do it!
Marco.
As a mk5g owner myself I too think they look very nice indeed, particularly with the ebony armboard and Mikes ETP platter added. I dont mind the pitch slide as I dont think it spoils it. Like you though Marco I would consider removing it IF and only if the 'fill in' and finish was absolutely on point. Also with all the mods I've done and what I've heard from my own Techie, I've never sensed in anyway that the plinth was a hindrance of any kind :)
Sorry for being so late getting back to you Chris , had an incredible day yesterday ! Became a Grandad , a girl ,Ruby Mary Kate 8 pound 11 oz .Quote:
Originally Posted by Stratmangler
Sorry for the thread drift .
Between £500 and £1200 depending on spec and condition , A Mike New Bearing BBP and platter is about £1300 or so ?
Like I said to you before ,I am finally happy with the way my 1210 is sounding (at last) but I don't think mine is any better than anyone else's 1210 or any other TT for that matter , I really don't care , its good enough for me at this moment , but if I was looking to spend that sort of money I would be looking at an SP10 or something similar rather than bodge around any further with my 1210 + it would make for a very top heavy system , I'm still looking at changing my speakers next .
I think Robert at Inspire Audio might strongly disagree with you on that. He produces a very good well made plinth for the SL1200/1210 in any finish or colour you would wish for. He tried to sell me one when I bought my M5G from him. Like many here it wasn't to my taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by YNWaN
I also agree that the pitch control spoils the look of the deck and would gladly dispense with the device if I had the necessary skills to do so, but I haven't so it has to stay.:(
Hi Folks,
I have chased up Dave of MRCU to answer your emails, he should have Base Plates and the bolts available by now.
He says he is also getting ready to purchase another block of 10 bearings for all you lucky guys in the UK.
Excellent... Make sure that he definitely supplies the bolts (and 'distance pieces')! Remember that the latter are also rather important ;)
IMO, to eliminate any 'faffing about', the BBP should be supplied as a 'kit', consisting of the BBP itself, all necessary fixings and a tube of appropriate adhesive, so that the customer has to hand everything that he or she needs to do the job, with the minimum of fuss :)
Marco.
Marco,
I do not supply the Epoxy with the base Plates which I supply from here as this makes the packaging bulky and could result in a busted tube. I will leaave it to Dave to decide what to do.
Yup, Mike. My comments were aimed solely at what Dave does at his end. Perish the thought of sending tubes of glue from Oz! :eek:
Are you supplying him with the 'distance pieces'/spacers, for the PCB, or is he getting them machined in the UK?
Marco.
Any AOS member wanting a base plate please send me an e-mail david@mcru.co.uk
The brass spacers I am getting made at the moment, sourcing the whitworth screws/bolts
The self tapping screws I will provide those as well, prices to be confirmed shortly via my website.
Any further questions please direct them to me via my e-mail address.
Thanks
Excellent :thumbsup:
Marco.
Dave does not supply the glue apparently so I think that needs clarifying from both business and customer perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_New
No problemo, Rob. Thanks for the clarification. I guess folk can get hold of some Araldite easily enough... The spacers and bolts, however, are a different matter :)
Marco.
Cheers Marco, We just need perspective purchasers like myself to be made aware of that so we are not searching in the package for something that wont be included ;)
Slightly off thread i know but I was in communication recently with a guy on da Bay regarding a big Sony ES he had up for auction. Here is one of the comments he made in relation to it and his system - coincidently! which i've copied and pasted from the email 'Just bought a Denon DL-S1 cartridge to replace my aged DL-304 and I have been blown away' . :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Hello,
So very sorry with the delays for supplying the bearing base plates, the plates themselves are easy to produce, the
self tapping screws ok, whitworth thread cap head screws less so, brass spacers/stand offs made.
I just need to get the self tapping screws in and the kit will be ready, that should be over the weekend, I will let
all and sundry know once the kits are ready, the glue is simply 2 part araldite which you can buy in B+Q or online
so no point me sending any one that in case the couriers confiscate it (DHL as an example x-ray every shipment)
Thanks
Hi Folks,
Remember the Araldite epoxy must be the High Strength version not the quick setting on
Hi, Could someone kindly point me to a link (or image) of the exact Araldite to purchase please. There a few high strength types and I'd really like to make sure I purchase the right one. - ATB.
Hi Robert,
Mike recommends Alraldite super strength, which comes in two small tubes, such as this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/ARALDITE-RAP.../dp/B000WA5P5I
:)
Marco.
Hi Marco, Thanks for getting back. Mike says in earlier post 'Araldite epoxy must be the High Strength version not the quick setting one'. The link you have sent is Super strength but rapid set :scratch:
Ah, ok, well simply go for the super strength but non-rapid setting :)
Marco.
lol! Yep will have another look in a few diy stores tomorrow :)
For the information of all those folks who are contemplating fitting the Base Plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieGong
I have used the High Strength Araldite available in OZ. I have not come across the quick setting version.
It is probably not critical, we are not gluing aircraft skins together with it!
Hi Mike,
The commonest quick setting in Oz is 'Selleys 5 Minute Araldite'. By the spec sheets, the normal (high strength) gels in 2 hours, bonds in 6 to 8 hours and reaches full strength in 3 days. The '5 minute' gels in 5 mins (i've found it can be quicker on a hot day), bonds in 20 mins and full (lesser) strength in 16 hours. I presume pretty much the same specs from other manufacturers.
I really think the issue is about working time, not strength as you say. Nothing worse than having it go off too quickly before it can be squished down to its final position.:eek:
Hi Lyton,
Thanks for that, your enthusiasm indicates you could be a good candidate for one of my bearings.
I have just completed another batch and Dave will be getting 10 of those.
Hi Mike,
It was such a long time ago you might not remember but I bought one of the first ones you made. One of the best hifi decisions I've ever made. So I'm already a true blue, card carrying 'New Bearing' enthusiast.:wave: :lol:
Thanks for the support Lyn, now I come to think of it I do recall you buying one but that must have
been nearly 4 years ago!!! You must consider my ETP Platter or do you also have that as well.
Yes it must be about the 4 years; doesn't time just fly when you're playing great vinyl. :) No, don't have the ETP platter (as yet) as I've had other items getting priority and there's always a budget but never say never.:eyebrows:
...and some say that this whole 'modded Techy thing' was merely a flash in the pan, or a 'flavour of the month' ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_New
If so, then it's been the longest month in history!!! Quite simply, when a product is genuinely good, it stands the test of time.
Marco.
Agreed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Indeed, David, and that applies both to the Technics T/T itself and the judicious modifications to it thereof, using products from various skillful and knowledgeable manufacturers, carried out by the discerning audio enthusiasts of AoS :)
Marco.
Yes indeedy, the Techy is not dead by a long shot as I have a review coming up very shortly for Mikes bearing and platter so a few more people can discover for themselves what an excellent and fun project buying a Techy and up-grading it is, the emphasis is on "fun" as there is far too much doom and gloom going on in the world today. Mike just sent me 10 more bearings so one has been earmarked for review in a top hifi magazine.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Excellent news! Which mag is it, so we can look out for the review? :cool:
Marco.
That would be telling :ner:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Not really prudent to say as the competition may offer their version as well? :)
Rest assured I will tell all and sundry when it appears
H'okay-dokes, no worries :)
I'm glad that Mike's designs are getting some proper exposure and recognition at last!
Marco.
That is something to I look forward too. :)
I predict 'Hi-Fi World'.
I don't, not now that DP has defected to Hi-Fi Choice! ;)
Marco.
Hi-Fi For Pleasure then... or Hi-Fi Today perhaps.
Doesn't really seem like a Choice thing - I still reckon World but we'll see (unfortunately I don't read either of those mags so I won't personally see - but you get my drift).
Does that still exist?
Marco.
In my memory:) - it's a sort of joke relating to how magazines have changed. I think mags should do more stuff of this type and more 'tweaking' stuff in general - making your own cables etc. It's interesting to read about high-end gear that is pushing the design envelope - but a lot of reviewing has just become elaborate repetition of the sales brochure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
I completely agree. There should be more articles featured that appeal to GENUINE enthusiasts, such as you've highlighted, and less that pander to the interests of those with an obsession for 'audiophile jewellery'.Quote:
Originally Posted by YNWaN
Marco.
I actually like reading about ultra expensive audio, but I want to read a genuinely considered investigation not just the rephrasing of the manufacturers marketing blurb that seems to pass as reviewing in some quarters these days (when reviews start to think of themselves primarily as journalists I worry).
Its HiFi choice ;)
Regards Neil
I do agree with your sentiments, but I have little interest in "ultra expensive audio", as in my experience, it's usually "ultra expensive" for all the wrong reasons!Quote:
Originally Posted by YNWaN
Marco.
Well said I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by YNWaN
Regards Neil
Thought so! It had to be, simply because David Price would've largely been behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L
Marco.