I'll have another play around then if there's no special trick to it, just don't recall seeing the option... Updating without reflashing is a real bonus!
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I'll have another play around then if there's no special trick to it, just don't recall seeing the option... Updating without reflashing is a real bonus!
I can switch mine on and find it if you cant see it
Thanks Grant, but I think I've realised why I didn't see it - I have a Pi B + and it seems that the advanced kernal is only available on the 2/3 versions, grrrr. I guess it's a relatively cheap upgrade, if the sound quality is noticeably improved. How have you found the switch to the new kernel and 384khz?
I felt it agood upgrade Luke. Yes ive a 2b rpi and use an audiophonics board.so cant speak for iqaudio ones now,although I did have one once. Think the audiophonics board is better personally,
Doesn't the Audiophonics DAC use the ESS chip? If so it seems just a bit unlikely that you can benefit from dissabling TI's digital filter with the advanced audio kernel!
Info from Tim about advance audio kernel.
Advanced: low latency kernel that provides advanced audio capabilities.
- Up to 384k sample rate for ES9023 and PCM512x codecs.
- Integer bclk divider for ES9023 codec on 48k/96k rates.
- DSD128 format support via 352.8k rate.
- Bypass OS filter on PCM512x, PCM514x, PCM524x via 384k rate.
- Fixed 64fs bclk ratio for 2 channel, 32/24/16 bit audio.
What this means in terms of some new audio capabilities is as follows.
1) 352.8k rate enables DSD128 in either DoP or DSD -> PCM on-the-fly formats.
2) Integer bclk divider for ES9023 codec on 48k/96k rates results in less jitter for these particular sample rates.
3) 384K rate when fed to one of the PCM51xx/52xx chips results in the chips' internal oversampling (OS) filter being bypassed. Some audio enthusiasts feel that sound quality is improved by doing this.
Does anyone know how to get Moode to work with the Boss DAC from Allo? I thought you could just select the IQaudio setting but i couldn't get any music to play.
Support for the Boss Dac is coming with version 3.5 of Moode.Quote:
Originally Posted by LC1979
Post from Tim in diyaudio forum.
Hi Luki,
Upcoming Moode 3.5 release supports the Boss and Piano DAC's. The Boss is supported only in the Advanced Low Latency and Real-Time Audio kernels.
-Tim
Aha, thanks, I just found that out myself by delving into a DIYaudio thread. Not sure why I thought there was an existing workaround?! :scratch:
Will have to make do with Volumio for now (which is a lot slicker than I remember it and sounds good to me).
I had the Piano DAC working using the Raspy 4 setting, BOSS might work why that?Quote:
Originally Posted by LC1979
I found out Raspy 4 worked just by trying a few and landed on that one 😉
That's great news... can't wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kit1cat
Do we know when will 3.5 be released?
Nope :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Adder
As Kit1cat said no timescale for 3.5 yet but it will no longer be free software.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Adder
No prices as yet but anyone who donates to MoOde will get 3.5 for free.
Cheers,
Alistair
Very well.
Tim
I wonder if you're aware of this latest pilot by the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects...adio_and_music
"We’re using FLAC and MPEG-DASH to deliver losslessly-compressed audio to your browser. This allows us to reduce the bit-rate required for transmission without any loss of information."
From what I can tell it's a 48k lossless FLAC stream. Currently it requires use of the latest Firefox browser to make it work. Perhaps something that could be made accessible from Moode?
Rob
Is it not possible to extract the link from within Firefox and then just create a new station in MoOde?Quote:
Originally Posted by robtweed
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Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyb
Right. Someone is UK would need to to do his and verify that the stream is working and is at the correct bitrate. I can't test any of the high bitrate BBC streams in US because there are geo-fenced by BBC.
-Tim
I've tried to see if I can find the link but no joy, even studying the info from the stream page on BBC shows nothing.
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I'm in the U.S. and listening to this right now, sounds great other than the very occasional little pop noise, but I can't figure out how to check the stream's native bit depth and sample rate on a Mac computer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyb
In the Audio MIDI settings it shows the input as "Default", not terribly useful.
Anyone have hints as to how I can check this on a Mac? If I right-click the player image in the browser a very small information window appears, I've enclosed a screen shot, like the Audio MIDI settings it doesn't seem terribly helpful in identifying the stream's native resolution, though "lossless" and "DASH" do appear:
http://cdn.head-fi.org/2/25/25e59fad...t3.36.24PM.png
And on further review of the various links on the BBC information page, this adaptive bitrate stuff is a long and ongoing project for them dating back to 2009 from what I gathered, and is seemingly quite complex in terms of the actual implementation (not that I'm an expert on such matters).
Hi Mike,Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyFresh
Whats the URL?
-Tim
Hi Tim,Quote:
Originally Posted by TimCurtis
Here it is, apparently only working on recent versions of the Firefox browser for the time being:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects...adio_and_music
Upon further review, is this the actual URL?Quote:
Originally Posted by TimCurtis
https://vs-dash-ww-rd-live.bbcfmt.hs...t_manifest.mpd
Hi,
MoOde release 3.5 is available at moodeaudio.org :-)
This release is $10 USD and includes a really great set of features, updates and bug fixes that provide improved audio quality, ease of use, reliability, performance and device support. Refer to the release notes below for details.
Everyone that donated to Moode Audio or purchased a moodeCase in 2017 prior to this release should have received a free MoOde 3.5 product key via email.
Amazon CloudFront CDN is being used to distribute the download zip file. Initial downloads might be a bit slow but once they are cached into the CDN, speeds should pick up. Please report any download issues to tim at moodeaudio dot org.
Enjoy!
-Tim
=============================
3.5 Release 2017-04-12
=============================
New features
- NEW: Real-Time Advanced Audio Kernel
- NEW: Advanced Audio Kernels for armv6l
- NEW: Advanced driver options in Audio config
- NEW: High performance compressed file system
- NEW: Pi-Zero W support in Standard kernel
- NEW: ALSA Equalizer DSP with preset curves
- NEW: Airplay advanced config settings
- NEW: SoX multithreading option
- NEW: Configurable rotary encoder driver
- NEW: SSID scanner for Network config
- NEW: Use Artist or AlbumArtist tag for Library
- NEW: Optimized SQL database
- NEW: System information screen
Media
- NEW: BBC 320K Radio 5 live sports extra
- NEW: France Musique Classique Plus
- NEW: France Musique La Contemporaine
- NEW: France Musique La Jazz
- NEW: WDR 1LIVE
- UPD: Audiophile Baroque stream link
- UPD: Audiophile Classical stream link
- UPD: Audiophile Jazz stream link
- UPD: Audiophile Lounge stream link
- UPD: Audiophile Rock-Blues stream link
- UPD: CDNX 2 stream link
- UPD: Czech Radio Classical stream link
- UPD: Mad Music Asylum stream link
- UPD: The Jazz Groove station logo
- UPD: Remove Classic And Jazz station (no longer broadcasting)
Audio devices
- NEW: Allo Boss DAC (i2s)
- NEW: Allo Piano HiFi DAC (i2s)
- NEW: Buffalo I (i2s)
- NEW: Audiophonics ES9018 DAC (i2s)
- NEW: Audiophonics ES9023 DAC LTE (i2s)
- NEW: Audiophonics TDA1387 DAC (i2s)
- NEW: Pi2Design 503HTA Hybrid Tube Amp (i2s)
- NEW: Chord Mojo (usb)
- NEW: iFi Audio Micro iDsD (usb)
- NEW: Korg DS-DAC-10R (usb)
- NEW: Lector Digitube s19 (usb)
Updates
- UPD: Bump to moodeOS 2.0 multi-kernel
- UPD: Bump Standard kernel to 4.4.50
- UPD: Bump to MPD version 0.20.6
- UPD: Bump to WiringPi 2.44
- UPD: Bump to shairport-sync version 3.0.2
- UPD: Bump to Squeezelite version 1.8.6-938
- UPD: Add dsd to Squeezelite audio codec list
- UPD: Soften some Squeezelite settings
- UPD: Improve Squeezelite config handling
- UPD: Deprecate logarithmic volume since MPD handles this now
- UPD: Additional hardware revision codes
- UPD: Memory optimizations for PHP5-fpm
- UPD: Add equalizer state to Audio info
- UPD: Add kernel type to Audio info
- UPD: Add wifi signal level to Network config
- UPD: Move Playlist first/last page buttons to top
- UPD: Add help for Clock radio Play field
- UPD: Add bitrate to currentsong.txt
- UPD: Clean up wording/help on NAS config screen
- UPD: Streamline Audio config page
- UPD: Add Rescan MPD DB to Sources page
- UPD: License agreement for Moode Audio Player
- UPD: Setup guide general information section
Bug fixes
- FIX: Browse parseList() slice files/dirs
- FIX: Audioinfo scrolling on small screens
- FIX: Auto-shuffle + Autoplay not persistent after restart
- FIX: CPUAffinity bitmask
- FIX: MPDAS launch bug
- FIX: Playlist click handling
- FIX: CPU governor update job
- FIX: Dhcpcd wait even if static ip address
Ive sent you some lucre Tim for all the good work. Not sure i will use it but will see...it may be beyond my brain...
Downloaded it a few seconds ago, paid and the Key arrived about a minute later, perfect. Thanks Tim.
Off to install right now :eyebrows: :)
Mike.
yes got key unlocked, and extracted... then it said disc file corrupted?? never had that before.
mine unzipped fine, writing to to card as I type, might be worth downloading again in case it came in corrupted ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by struth
Ok, i,m up and running now. No idea what that was ... it did it 3 times. I reset everything started again and its working..
Tim? Can i ask re kernels etc. There isnt any much info as to them. Ive put it up to 32 384 that i like and 100% and it sounds good. There are a couple of kernels sure there last time. .?.? Think you said to use one. But forgot now.
All up and running here too, sounds good, nice to see the Allo Piano DAC supported now 😉
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The bass extra eq button causes all my sound to cut out...maybe a faukt?
Hi Grant,Quote:
Originally Posted by struth
Probably killing the CPU. Are u running either of the Adv kernels?
-Tim
No not yet. Didn't know if they were worth playing with in case I wrote it all off
I have Moode 3.5 running on my Rpi B into my DDDAC dac and I have to say the 1794 NOS driver has made all the difference when compared to several other players I have tried. There is a definite increase in depth and separation, so I want to thank you Tim for the fantastic work in creating this player and engineering the driver :youtheman:
I am still overwhelmed by some of the settings though, particularly in the MPD configuration window but leaving well alone as it works at the moment.
Apart from the set up guide is there a guide or manual anywhere that covers some of the other settings?
Also I intend to upgrade my DDDAC soon and want to ask will the latest RPI be a better device for Moode to run on? I'm going to get the latest RPI anyway since I inteng to add the Kali Reclocker which piggy backs the RPI and makes connections easy.
Running 3.5 I now find the volume control does not work when playing DSD files - all default settings as per the original install. Switching the software volume control to zero does switch off the sound but after that it seems like its just (full ?) on with no control
Switching DSD over PCM stopped any DSD file playing
Switching re-sampling on enabled the software volume control with DSD files but playback then became very fragmented (about 2 secs music then cut out with slight pop/click noise and repeated as it plays).
DSD files of 128 or 256 only play in a fragmented (stop/start) fashion but 96 play fine.
I don't recall experiencing these issues with 3.1 but can test it as I have other units still on 2.7 and 3.1
Mel
Hi Tim
Just got 3.5 up and running.
One problem - I use the HiFiBerry Digi+ card. Previously I could disable the ALSA volume control so the output was fixed at 100% (I control the volume manually via my Beresford SEG DAC). Perhaps I'm doing something wrong in 3.5 but can't see a way to sort this out.
Otherwise seems to be working nicely so far in initial tests
Rob
Hi Rob,Quote:
Originally Posted by robtweed
To get 0dB (100%) volume output set MPD volume control to "disabled".
-Tim
Hi Mel,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cycleallday
- AFAIK MPD does not support volume for DSD when using dsd --> pcm on-the-fly conversion. Its either 0 or 100%. Volume control should work if using DoP or when using resampling. I'll retest to be sure.
- If DoP=Yes then audio device has to support DoP protocol otherwise noise or no sound.
- DSD256 is not supported, only DSD64 in Standard kernel and DSD64, DSD128 in Advanced kernels.
- When playing DSD128 set the resampling rate to 352.8.
-Tim
Perfect! Thanks ,Tim. I missed that sub-menu!Quote:
Originally Posted by TimCurtis
All working well now
Hi Mel,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cycleallday
Retested and hopefully the explanation below helps. Personally, I think there is room for improvement in MPD's support for DSD format.
DSD over I2S
#########
VOLUME CONTROL
0db (100%) volume occurs if all of the settings below are true. This is because MPD software volume control has no method for DSD volume yet, only PCM.
- Software volume
- Resampling disabled
- DoP no
The workaround is to either turn on MPD resampling or use an audio device that supports Hardware volume and then set MPD volume control to Hardware.
DSD OVER PCM (DoP)
The audio device must support DoP protocol otherwise output will be noise or no sound if DoP is set to Yes.
DSD SUPPORT IN STANDARD AND ADVANCED KERNELS
Standard kernel suports DSD64
Advanced kernels support DSD64, DSD128
AUDIO GLITCHES WHEN PLAYING DSD128
The following MPD configs will usually cause audio glitches with DSD128
- DoP = no
- Resampling = disabled or resampling at >192k using Very High Quality
CONCLUSION
The most painless configfor audio devices that don't support DoP is an audio device with Hardware volume control and playing DSD64 files. This just works. If using DSD128 files then add "set resampling to 24/352.8, High Quality.
-Tim
I'm having a very hard time getting my Allo Boss Dac to make any sound on MoOde 3.5 - can anyone give me any pointers?
I had it working on Volumio until yesterday, so I know that it works, but trying to set it up in MoOde has me flummoxed - I have used MoOde almost exclusively for years with an IQaudio dac, so know how to set it up (so I thought!).
I'm a bit confused as to why there are two ways of selecting your I2S dac: in configure>audio>devices (but Allo Boss isn't listed here so what do I select?!), and then also in the customise section (obviously I select Allo Boss here, but why is this not in the other list?).
Also, I had the option of hardware volume control in Volumio, but it says hardware option not detected in MoOde...
What am I doing wrong? :/
That exactly what I saw with the Piano DAC, I'll have a look in my settings to see if I can remember how I got it working, i think it was down to the way I selected the DAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by LC1979
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Just noticed that the Boss DAC isn't listed in the DAC section, are you sure it's supported yet?
When my Piano wasn't supported I chose the RaspyPlay4 DAC that's listed and it worked fine.
Might be worth a try until the Boss is added to the list.
Didn't realise it's not listed which will be a pain as I've just ordered one that will be here in the next few days Doh!
EDIT: I see the Boss Dac is listed as being supported in the notes above so it will be doable to get it running 😊
Thanks Mikeyb, it is supported, but perhaps you do have to select another DAC in the main list, so I will try that!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyb
If it's listed, then selecting a different one won't do any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by LC1979
I've had a look and I think I had issues getting it to show hardware volume control, I think I had to go to mpd configuration to select i2s device then restart mpd, reboot, then selected the dac, set volume at 100, then checked the alsamixer in putty, bear in mind this is from memory and to be honest I got it working without really knowing how I did it.
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MoOde setup help says this...
I2S DEVICE
a) Menu, Configure, Audio
b) select an I2S audio device then press SET
c) reboot
d) Menu, Configure, Audio, OPEN MPD CONFIG
e) leave Volume control set to "Software"
f) verify Audio device is set to "I2S audio device" then press APPLY
I'm sure I followed that guide and I was then able to go back in and select hardware volume, set it to 100 volume and then I probably rebooted again just to make sure it was sorted.
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Yeah, I followed those instructions, but no joy. Also trying another DAC name. I think it might be an alsamixer thing, as the box always seems to be empty, even when I put something in there... I'm not that familiar with what it means though, does it matter if the box is empty if selecting software volume? Software volume should just work regardless, no? Ultimately I would like to use hardware volume, but first thing is just to get some sound out of it!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyb
Exact same issue I had with the Piano, until I got 100 into the alsamixer box I couldn't get it to work, but once I did it's been fine, I'm pretty sure I had to switch back and forth between the menu pages, restarting mpd and rebooting at certain times, sorry I cant be more help, I think I was just lucky in getting it to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by LC1979
My moode 3.5 settings currently. Working well off battery and rpi 2b
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If its any help
To see the Boss Dac in the list you need to have one of the Advanced Kernels configured. The Boss should then appear in the 'Customize' settings, but I have a feeling that it may not be supported until the next Moode update. More info somewhere on the DiyAudio thread, but very likely Tim will reply here soon.
Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by jonners
Correct. The Boss driver is only in the Advanced kernels in this release of Moode, however there is a bug preventing the driver from appearing in the list. If you know a little Linux ssh then use the workaround below, otherwise an in-place bugfix update will be released soon.
sudo sqlite3 /var/local/www/db/moode-sqlite3.db "update cfg_audiodev set kernel='' where id='1'"
Current bugfix list for Moode 3.5
- FIX: I2S device list query
- FIX: Playlist save not working
- FIX: DSD decoded-to on Audioconfig
- FIX: Wifi/BT disable not working if Adv kernel
- FIX: Change Browser title not working
- FIX: System info on/off status for UPnP, DLNA
-Tim