So it was a good buy then, Martin? :)
Marco.
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So it was a good buy then, Martin? :)
Marco.
Oh definitely. I'm going to need to run it through a full clean, but on a test listen it's excellent.
Excellent... Maybe you might buy more vintage classical vinyl now? As you've seen, there are amazing bargains out there with some of these early recordings! ;)
Marco.
Guess I'm a little wary of used classical vinyl as poor surfaces spoil it more for me than a poor rock record. However, this one is excellent, and a magnificent performance.
Yup, you need to be extra fussy with classical LPs, imo.
Yesterday ....
This is a lovely lovely piece ...
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Not big on angry bluster, but great on consolation!
And I've been discovering some Pleyel on my shelves recently and much enjoying it, so I invested in this CD. Arrived yesterday and has been much enjoyed!
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Pleyel is much under-rated, imo. :)
I am too, but as you know, when you've got an RCM, you can get second-hand records minty clean (though often only after multiple washes), so as long as you very carefully examine used records before you buy them (experience generally tells you what condition is and isn't acceptable), what you've successfully bought from Swordfish is the norm :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
Although I'm very fussy, if necessary, I'll trade the odd pop or click for enjoyment of the truly magnificent performances, not to mention incredible recording quality, on many of the early classical recordings on vinyl, modern examples of which I've found just don't compare. That's where you're missing out, mate, if you ignore this.
Besides, what I do now is simply return the records to the charity shop which, after cleaning, still don't play well (those that, despite being clean, are still noisy, or distorted due to groove damage), and just keep the ones which play perfectly. That way I get to keep the cream of the crop, and often as some of these early recordings are sought after, an nice investment, too... Win-win.
As long as I stick to my rule of not paying any more than £3 for an album, it's no big deal, and of course the charity shop benefits from the returned records, as they have the opportunity to make a sale twice from the same record - only this time it's been cleaned for them on an RCM!
Job's a good 'un and everyone's happy :cool:
Marco.
Don't get me wrong, I have a fair classical vinyl connection and have bought, for example, Melodiyas from Russia where I don't care about the quality, it's the performances from the likes of Mravinsky that are important. You're right that the performance and recording are everything; I have bought a number of classical SACDs where the performance falls way short. They end up unloved, even though I think SACD is the best format for classical.
I will look out for more choice used classical vinyl and swing the RCM into action. A double-wash certainly seems to get them quiet, followed by 24 hours in a Nagaoka inner sleeve.
Nice one, mate, it really is worth the effort! :)
Marco.
Right now (on vinyl), as I fancied some big canons (lol), Tchaikovsky's 1812 Festival Overture (Op.49, original scoring), Capriccio Italien, with The Minneapolis Symphony Orchestra and The University of Minnesota Brass Band, conducted by Antal Dorati, with spoken commentary by Deems Taylor, on Mercury Olympian Series 'Living Presence' records, from 1959.
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Although in mono, the sound quality (and performance) on this recording is stunning! :eek:
Next up (on vinyl)... Mahler 'Das Lied von der Erde', with The Philharmonia Orchestra and Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau (baritone) and Murray Dickie (tenor), conducted by Paul Kletzki, on HMV 'His Master's Voice', from 1960.
Marco.
I have the famous Telarc vinyl recording, Marco. Famous as it was virtually untrackable at the time. My Shelter makes a good fist of it, though. They recorded real canons and didn't hold back on the faders.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41002268@N03/5903358408/
Nice one, Martin. I've seen a couple of those come up on ebay and have always wondered what the difference, in recording quality, was between an early mono version like mine, and what you've got....
I'll bring my cope along next time and we'll test it against yours! :)
Marco.
On my copy of the Telarc 1812, the groove has a near right angle kink in it where the cannon 'crack' occurs! Surprisingly the Decca will track it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
I think I'll have to get a copy of that and see what the SPU makes of it...
Incidentally, I've also got this:
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How does that compare with the other recordings being discussed? I intend to have a listen myself later and find out :)
Marco.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...cotCCBSOtJkj8wQuote:
Originally Posted by Barry
In stylus terms, that must be like having a wall coming at you.
Just spinning these now, which apparently are quite rare:
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:cool:
Marco.
Enough of this macho testosterone-driven posturing :lol: -- back to the music !
Oooo - I see Marco is getting into Bruckner! Stick with it dude, and get some modern recordings as well and hear a cathedral-filling Brucknerian wall of sound! -- oops, I seem to be back to macho posturing! :eyebrows:
Yesterday, spinning at Jerry Towers ....
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Charles Camilleri's 1st piano concerto is truly a thing of wonder - bold 1st and 3rd movements, bristling with energy and strong tonal melodies, and a slow 2nd movement that is very very beautiful, indeed.
Sadly, (for me) the 2nd and 3rd piano concertos are a sequence of 'modernistic' random notes. But the 1st, of nearly 30 minutes duration, is well worth getting to hear!
The Bruckner 7th is a wonderful symphony, full of blaring brass crescendi. Then again, many of them are.
Christina Pluhar & L'Arpeggiata - La Tarantella [cd]
I still adore all her work.
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Exquisite and heart-meltingly beautiful.
Cimbalom (hammered dulcimer) and solo high tenor voice.
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Symphonies 3 & 4.
Said by many a reviewer to be 'nothing like Brahms'.
Ha ha - in your dreams, kiddoes!
Ooh thanks for that Jerry - will check it out. I know Camilleri's Clarinet works fairly well (I've played the lovely Sonatina a couple of times at recitals) so will be good to hear his other stuff. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jandl100
Right now, on vintage vinyl... Sibelius 'Symphony No2' (The Swan of Tuonela), with The Hallé Orchestra, conducted by Sir John Barbirolli, on EMI HMV, from 1967:
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Next up will be a digitally produced recording on vinyl (shock, horror!): Fauré 'Melodies', with Frederica Von Stade (soprano) and Jean-Philippe Collard (piano), on EMI DIGITAL, from 1982.
Couldn't find an image for that one! :)
Marco.
'ere tiz:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG...0003160409.jpg
- from a graphic designer with a thing for Mondrian :eyebrows:
Lol... I noticed that image, when I was searching last night, but it's nothing like what's shown on the cover of my vinyl copy. I believe that the above is from a CD release.
Mine has a picture of Frederica Von Stade and Jean-Philippe Collard on the front, looking rather 'retro'... :eyebrows:
Marco.
Ah! I get quite of few of my classical images for the server from far eastern sites. They usually get found from the catalogue number, but some do take a lot of work to find . . .:rolleyes:
Well, if you can find the one in question, you'll get extra brownie points! The catalogue number is: ASD 4183. I think it's reasonably rare - good luck :)
Marco.
Bruch - 'Violin Concerto No.1 in G minor, op.26' and 'Scottish Fantasy for violin and orchestra, op.46'
Kyung Wha Chung, (violin) with The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Rudolf Kempe (1972).
Decca 460 620-2 (1999)
Is that the one we played at mine, Barry? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
Marco.
Not sure Marco, mine is a CD. Who is the soloist and what is the orchestra on your LP copy?
Cheers
For me, right now... Haydn: 'Paukenmesse', with Academy of St.Martin-in-the-Fields Choir of St John's College, Cambridge (lead by Neville Marriner), and conducted by George Guest, on Decca Argo Records, from 1970:
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More info here: http://www.sjcchoir.co.uk/node/325
Marco.
The soloist on my LP copy is Maurice Hasson, and the orchestra is The Scottish National Orchestra, conducted by Alexander Gibson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
The above may be different, in your example, but it's Bruch's first violin concerto which is being performed - thought I recognised it. We played the whole of the first side of the album at my place :)
Marco.
Bit historical at the moment - Boult's 1945 Planets on a HMV Treasury LP:
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I've got Holst's own recording (1929?) too, so must dig that out . . .
Nice... Apart from anything else, I just love the look of classic vinyl.
The packaging, sleeve artwork, labelling, often the provision of a proper inner sleeve (defo if it's Decca), the automatic use of heavy-duty vinyl, which is nearly always perfectly flat (unlike much vinyl produced today), not to mention the awesome recording quality (in general) of the music itself - everything about the whole package oozes quality!!
It's a nice reminder from a (sadly bygone) era of the pride people once took in their workmanship... Therefore, I feel as if I own something special that's not just been 'churned out' for the sake of it. For me, that's as a big a part of my enjoyment of playing and collecting vintage recordings on vinyl, as the music itself! :exactly:
Marco.
The LP looks sexier ;)
On a more serious note, I've got a couple of versions of that performance somewhere... Will dig 'em out and have a listen.
Btw, now I know why my Mercury Living Presence Mono recording of Tschaikovsky's 1812 Overture sounds so bloody good... Read here (a most interesting article): http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/mercury.html
Marco.
Now here is a very interesting and listenable modern requiem ...
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This evening, from a recent charity shop LP haul, from the Russian Melodiya label, a performance of Vivaldi Gloria for vocal soloists and choir, and organ.
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Interesting -- the Russian conductor's name transliterates as Kokars ... :eyebrows:
At the moment...
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CD. I'm really in to Pleyel at the mo'. :)
Also on CD ...
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... once again!
and ... a nice minty LP with lots of good music and fine Decca Golden Age recordings ...
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CD. Most enjoyable for lovers of the post-romantic string quartet.
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LP. Paganini 4th violin concerto.
Fab for lovers of violin pyrotechnics and good music!
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Mint double LP of excellent performances ---- 50p :D
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CD
Bruckner - Symphony No 9, Jochum, BPO, DG [cd]
Last night, at Tim's request. So rather than the best recording, I gave him the best performance. Jochum was a master, and this 1966 performance is urgent and fiery.
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Yup, Jochum / DG would probably be my top choice for Bruckner 9 as well. :)
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CD - triple concerto & cello concerto.
Paul Juon - I bet you've never heard of him!
Born in Moscow - 1872-1940. Russian father, German mother.
Very fine, late romantic composer. :thumbsup:
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CD
I've just been to a local record shop and picked up some mint (looks like they've either never, or hardly, been played) Russian recordings on vinyl, from 1960, of Haydn's 'Sonata in C minor', Tchaikovsky's 'Suite No1' and 'Quartet No3', performed by the USSR Radio Symphony Orchestra.
Unfortunately, I can't get any more information than that, as the rest is written in Russian... However, the vinyl is all heavy 200g stuff, and looks like quality.
Along with it, I also got some Polish Chopin 'Etudes', on the 'Muza' label, and these are equally as minty and on heavy-duty vinyl, but aren't dated. I think that the conductor is Janusz Urbanski, and the pianist is Boleslaw Woytowicz. The rest is in Polish!
I've no idea what these will be like, but once I've ran them through the RCM, I'll find out... They could be crap or they could be great! I just took a punt on them, as they only cost me £1 each.
In the meantinme, does anyone know anything about them? :)
Marco.
They are likely to be on the Melodiya label. Watch out for surface noise!
Could be, Martin, but IME, Melodiya albums, which I'm familiar with, are normally clearly marked as such.
These, on the other hand, have a red label with 'MK, Made in Russia' marked on the label. There is no mention anywhere of Melodiya :)
Marco.
From Wikipedia: "In other countries, Melodiya recordings imported from the USSR were often sold under the label MK, which stood for Mezhdunarodnaya Kniga."
Ah ha... Okies - that's interesting! I'll see if I can distinguish any music then, amongst the surface noise, and report back! ;)
Marco.
No, I bet they'll be interesting, Marco! :)
Surface noise, maybe -- but those old Soviet recordings often had mids with great presence and fruitiness. Oooo, luverly!
As for the particular recordings and players - nope, I've no idea!