Look great do those Pete :smoking:
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Look great do those Pete :smoking:
How did I miss that :scratch:Quote:
Originally Posted by mad-moon
Thanks for the reply :cool:
they are out getting anodised , according to TPA, the black ones where painted, with Ral 9005 , jet black same as the deck ,
peter
so far the pads have 3 fans and one who does not like them out of the test ones, the problem is if the LP is poorly produced they will show that up a lot , but i guess that is hfi , pete
so now he has changed his mind, and kept them , as i said that is hifi , 4 fans 100%
pete
Thank you for being honest in your opinions, i would not have it any other way , good or bad is always welcome, it helps me to make stuff, TPA are the only engineering company that now produce and distribute these, i dont get anythng but pleasure of reading if they work or not , TPA have now run out of the stock they made 6 weeks ago , i beleive there will be a wait for the next batch to be made, due to Brexit and the import of parts needed, in the mean time they have made some in Black and some in silver , waiting on parts, i have sort of been trolled with a emoji of a monkey which meant monkey see monkey do , as he supports a different manufacturer that has now had to cut their feet down to size,
you all know i had designed them months ago it is no a case of Monkey see monkey do , these where out far before the others, you all can make your own minds up , the pads had to be designed to match the deck ,they even use the michell tender foot , i could not see the point of throwing a perfectly good part in the bin or cupboard , any movement in the foot is bad it would cause the belt to slacken off , and more wow and flutter as a result ,
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keep safe pete
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this is a friends deck , it has most of the upgrades fitted , atb peter
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this is a conversion from AC to DC , using the original top , By Truepoint , as Michell only supply a new top and motor , TPA can make the DC motor fit the original AC housing to keep the gold look or bronze or silver ,
Friends TT looks really nice and like the mod by TPA :smoking:
Gninnam , yep the mod for the motor is something Charlie thought off , it has alonger pully , the other part is screwed to the top of the motor , i think they use sorbothane somewere along the line , then it is held in place with the original AC nut , it works very well, and he seems to make a lot of them ,
pete
Hi all,
Have now upgraded my Odyssey to Pete's pylons, armboard with brass inserts and new feet. What follows is ALL subjective, with the benefit of late 60's ears. All these mods have been very welcome, with increased and better defined bass output.Overall soundstage has improved. DSOTM by the Floyd has never sounded better. Instruments played in a chamber setting appear to have improved separation. Probably a function of improved midrange.
Thanks to Peter for all his efforts. Now it's just the motor and housing to tweak and the project is finished. Time to go through my Edizione Vivaldi on vinyl, which sounds wonderfull btw. Yes, all 10 boxes !!!!
For anyone still sitting on the fence re: these upgrades, go for it. You will not be disappointed. Back to the cool of my basement.
has any one ever had a VC psu for the gyro , it was produced up until 2003 then replaced by the HR , which in theory should be better ,
Hi Glad your happy with Pete's great upgrades, as we all are.
do you have any pictures you wish to share?
Hi Everyone, For the present time, my turntable not only looks a thing of beauty, but sounds amazing.
Forget the politics of which camp you wish to sit on, it does not matter, what is important is how the music makes you feel when your in the middle of a listening session, smiling through the realism which can be achieved without spending telephone numbers.
As my late, great, father used to say "if you do not have anything positive to say, do not say anything"
ANYWAY.......
As I've previously posted (not many I admit - being a novice at this stuff) the journey & enjoyment, I have had with the amazing upgrades & benefits from the stables of the genius that is Pete.
His insight, design ideas, generous help & enthusiasm have done more to vastly elevate this turntable than the actual manufacturer (sorry John if your looking down).
It is a fact that I was considering to purchase a SME 15, but in all honesty, the performance I have now negates the need to spend nearly £9K - I know all is subjective but that's how it is so thank you again Pete!
I plan to post a few little things, about my upgrade path which will probably mirror others experiences & would like to share with you some pictures of the evolution of my vinyl spinner, when I have mastered how it is done..
Have a great weekend.
Thank you for your kind words, i have no more to add to the Turntable, the final part was the feet , enjoy the Turntable, all the best pete
Hi Pete,
My budget finally allowed me to order the acrylic Rega armboard for my Gyro SE, to accompany your wonderful pylons!
Charles at True Point was very helpful and made the whole process very easy.
I am really looking forward to this next step up!
Jeffrey
Hi Jeff Charley will sort it , i am taking a back seat at this moment , want to get members to use this thread and put there thoughts on here ,
pete
I received a set of Pete's Pads earlier this week and have had a chance to listen to a fair bit of music now following installation of the pads so my impression of them follows (I'd be happy to hear from others who have them installed their thoughts as well).
I've had the Pylons installed for two years as of next month, and I'd have to check but I think I've had the armboards at least a year, perhaps longer. I essentially played a bunch of records I'm very familiar with, some of which I've listened to for 30 years or so.
Firstly, what I definitely know that I heard and secondly, some impressions on what I also "think" I might have been hearing with the pads installed.
Definitely:
Noticeable increase of separation of instruments and increased clarity. No doubt about this one. In many cases you can hear different instruments with the pads installed as opposed to a more "combined" sound of that combination of instruments. There's both a separation and increased focus and clarity at the same time. Bass lines go slightly deeper, but they stop and start with much more authority. It does not sound clinical in any real sense of the word and the presentation remains imminently musical; if it didn't I would comment on that.
There's an ability to hear more into the recording as a result: in situations where there is an instrumental solo, there is heightened clarity on the instrument but it is also easier to follow other musicians that might be comping in the mix at the same time.
In terms of voices, overall the same increase in clarity in both lead and background vocals with that increased focus and clarity mentioned. There's also just more room or venue sound that I'm aware of as a result of the increased focus and clarity in many recordings.
All of this comes without an increase in "edge" or an introduction of any glare. Just the opposite in fact. I played a mono Sundazed reissue of Booker T's "Green Onions", which I've always found to sound a bit aggressive and nasty, and the pads very definitely and noticeably cleaned up what I did not know was a bit of distortion being introduced by my table sans Pads to both the leading and trailing edge of the guitar.
Possibly:
I'd have to do a switch and go back to test this one out but can't be bothered but I believe that soundstage width and particularly height may have expanded. I could be imagining this but don't think so. I wouldn't say that it's as noticeable and dramatic as the increase in clarity and it is not a huge expansion in the soundstage but I think it is there. But it might just be me interpreting the improved imaging as a result of the increase in clarity as providing a slightly larger aural picture.
Surface noise. My system is pretty decent in this regard, but I feel that the pads may also be lending to a slight reduction in surface noise.
Frankly, I wasn't expecting as much from the pads as I received. I've waited a long time to order them as I just couldn't get my head wrapped around how something that simple would make much of a difference and I've also tried to isolate my table from vibration as much as possible as seen in my photos. But my Gyro is also a full plinth version (as opposed to SE) with the motor mounted directly-and feeding noise directly-on to the plinth, so the pads may have even more of an effect on my version of the table than the SE.
In any event, I feel the pads represent very high value. I was really dumbfounded with what Pete's suspension modification did for the table and pleased with the acrylic armboards. I would definitely not go back to the standard Michell armboard (advertised it for sale actually but had no bites) but having done all three modifications now over the course of a couple of years I would say that from my perspective the hierarchy would be:
1) Pylons
2) Pads
3) Armboards
This might be influenced by the fact that I have two arms (and hence two armboards), but the individual armboards are I believe even more expensive than the Pylons (I'm not aware of the current Pylon pricing-having purchased directly from Pete just before they went into commercial production with True Point). But to me the Pylons should be the first stop among the 3 products: to me they offer the most dramatic improvement-I'm still amazed at what they did for my table.
The Pads come in at a significantly lower cost than the armboard and might actually offer more performance, so on that basis I would say they offer a significantly bigger bang for the buck (or pound/Euro as it may be) than the armboard and the combination of Pylons and Pads is definitely a huge bang for the buck IMO.
But others might have a different opinion and YMMV of course.
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Thank you blake , Merry Christmas and a Happy New year to everyone
All the best Peter...Have a nice day bud..:christmas:
thanks alan , we ended up with Covid over Christmas , gave me time for a redsign of the pylons that now support 8 o rings, and are on trial on my deck ,
the 8 orings are working well ,
Magic...how are they sounding pete??...Quote:
Originally Posted by gwernaffield
they are really good, seem to centralise the pylon a bit better then the 6 orings, bass is very good and so is voicing , also the background seems to be a bit more quieter , with 8 Orings,
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Any plans to put the new style pylon in production for sale Peter?
No , it is just a hobby to me, these have been on test for the past 3-4 years , thare are 3 sets in existance , all of them have been on show on all the turntables over the past years, they are different becuse they use an 8 point support system unlike the rest on the market , The 6's are still the best that you can buy , but i have nothing to do with them, unless there is a problem or some one cannot understand how to fit them
The 8's do not need any measurment of the holes and the extra support system with the extra 2 orings, due to all the knowledge gained by the older 6 system ,
means they can be made one size fits all, they have never been copied from another design , only mine and i have 2 other users that can confirm this,
so what does this mean , i will no longer have anyone saying i copied a design , i the design is unique, it is also date stamped, on all the web pages, it menas now all of the ones that have been copied will be out of date, do not try and 3D print them the Crown points will snap off an fail ,normaly after a couple of months, also people who copy them will steal the sweets of a child ,
NO , i reserve the wright to change my mind , People who will make them do not have all the information i now know, even down to the standard of the Orings used, if they will have sorbothane or a bush ,
ATB Pete
Thinking of doing an oil change on my inverted bearing, used mobil one in the past, anything better about in small quantities or affordable prices, mobil dte 25 for example
Mobil shc 625 looks interesting
Hi Ian i have not used that mix i use a mix of mobil 1 zx1 znc 2ht ,
seems to work well ,
pete
so i have had a rethink on the Pylons and will have more news on that , still using , 0rings put in suspension pods , which have been made for the past 4 years ,i just could not work out how to use them on a gyro or orb , would they need 4 ,
More to Follow ,
pete
Yo Peter....nice to see you back mate....
Hi Alan hope you are well, i am working on some pods to place the gyro onto , but of course suspended, took a while to get back (gwernaffield is no more ) lol now rocking kid
Wanted broken Kef NT25 tweeters , in the quest to help , i have manged to repair the kef NT25 with new voice coils and re ferro fluid, i am looking for any broken ones that i can practice on ,
pete
well it is a long time since the pylons came about , with a lot of help from the Michell Community , the use of Orings in the construction , has now been copied, by several manufactures , it is not new , with the 6 now in True point audio for good, when making the pylons , they went from 3 orings to several small types, using red o rings, the compound used in the o rings was changed , due to the UV light effect on rubber , i have not done much else since they were made, i hope the Pylons keep Going in the Hands of True point Audio , who make parts for HIFI for every one, they make the Bearing For the Pink Triangle Dec , and can supply and upgrade that , to what ever spec you need , they make custom spiders for the Gyro which look great , my association with them has now come to an end , and i wish them well for the future , as they will still produce the pylons , i hope, this came about due to continuing ill health on my behalf , ATB Pete
the word 'Pylon is not copyright ' it is an engineering term , used by the whole world
Figure 1 – Anchor pylon.
Figure 2 – Branch pylon.
Figure 3 – Tension tower pylon
Figure 4 – Wood pylons.
Figure 5 – Concrete pylon.
Figure 6 – Steel tube pylon.
Figure 7 – Lattice steel pylon.
Figure 7 – Single-level conductor arrangement.
Electrical pylons, i did not name the product ,
you missed one out Pete.....Pete's Pylon...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rocking kid
Just bought the o-rings Pete...150 of them...looking forward to trying this out thanks...
Hi Mr Moon that will get them thinking 150 orings how?? secrets that we keep .
Hi All just wanted to wish everyone a better Christmas and a Better New Year , hope every one is fine, all the best pete
Peter, Happy Christmas and New Year to you and your family, Tadeusz.
Happy Christmas and new year to you Tad, i hope it is not too cold, were you are in Canada,and you were not affected by the Storm , all the very best peter
i was asked if i still use Delrin bearing balls, the answer is NO , the spindle they sit on in the michell suspension has a rough part on the top this caused a flat spot on the delrin , that is why i changed to ceramic bearing , but even this may get damaged by the poor surface finish on the suspension spindle, the PTFE bearing was the best but again this worn out and flat spots appeared, this was discontinued, i continue to try different things with the gyro ,and will up date accordingly ,
all the very best to every one, and a happy and lucky new your to all off you ,
Question for others who have the Gyro SE. I've noticed lately that the weight below the chassis on my kit has play in it. I've attempted to tighten the bolt, but it will not tighten. Then I tried to remove the bolt so that I could shim the weigh with a fiber washing. Well, I was not able to get it to back out. My attempt have slightly dinged up the bolt, and I am concerned about doing more damage.
So, have any of you had experience, moreover success in withdrawing these fasteners?
Thanks in advance.
do you mean the weighs on the platter ?
Still got the old girl :)
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Yes. The Gyro SE has a two sets of lead counterweights on the underside of the metal chassis. One set in the front, a second on the back. These are a bit leftward, looking straight on to the turntable. These weights are held down by a bolt (I think three) with a Philips head.Quote:
Originally Posted by rocking kid
I cannot find an email for Michell UK, just a telephone number. So I sent a note to Artech Electronics (NA Michell dealer) in Canada from whom I've purchased parts. Their reply yesterday was:
"Normally the weights are held in place by dabs of silicone sealant and the screws provide mechanical retention. If your deck is very early, there might be no silicone and the shoulders in the holes of the soft lead, has been bottomed out, so the bolts are no longer retaining. I didn't think they used and thread locker.
You might want to contact Jonny at Michell Engineering for a solution."
I asked if thread lock had been used because my efforts to break the bolts loose with moderate force was not successful. I want to install that dab of silicone and perhaps install a fiber washer under the bolt. Artech asked the age of my Gyro SE. I'm guessing 2005 or 2006. I purchased it gently used in 2007. I would not have discovered the loose fit if I had not moved my hand under the chassis and felt the weight move.
Next question:
Has anyone tried this product from Michell?
https://www.analogueseduction.net/mi...c-gyro-se.html
Maybe its available in the US.
Yes when I owned a Gyrodec about 5 years ago I did fit this to the chassis, it did dampen it to some extent, but in my opinion the chassis is a proverbial bell with resonant frequecies.Quote:
Originally Posted by BendBound
I also did quite a few of cheap upgrades in this thread, the biggest improvement gains were in the replacement suspensions kit designed by Pete. I subsequently along with him replaced the feet using skate board wheels with a push fit rubber bush in the centre for the feet bolts to fit into, this improve isolation greatly. I also experimented with sorbothane isolation 1mm sheet as a grommet under my SME arm, which gained better definition and detail. I replaced the platter with a Orbe one, which helped a bit in low end definition.
I got it to the point where I felt no further improvement could be gained.
just lock it all back in with silicone , it will dampen and retain as well