Good man Marco!
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Good man Marco!
No problem, Frank. You know the point I was making, but your eloquently expressed thoughts, as usual, are always welcomed :)
Any Wammers not already using pfm as their temporary (or permanent) home are very welcome to post here, however of course 'keyboard warriors', or those with unwanted agendas, will be given short shrift.
One comment I read from Robert on pfm, which I totally agree with is this:
Although AoS isn't my income stream, the reason why here and pfm work so well is because Tony and I have the time to do the job properly; and crucially, we have a very good team to help us with the process. I can say that especially of here. Once a forum gets beyond having a certain amount of members and activity level, it's impossible to run the site yourself on a part-time basis, and do the job properly, as eventually it will all come crashing down around you.Quote:
The time and workload issue should be do-able with a big enough and committed moderation team. I can see issues where a forum owner is running a busy forum as a hobby, ie they are also doing a full time day job. In that situation it would surely make sense to delegate quite heavily. The situation is different I think were the forum is your job and income stream. In a way I think that's way pfm works well - Admin have time to run the place and the mods share the remainder of the load.
Therefore, if Wigwam is to survive in the long-term, then I think that James must delegate and rely on his team more, and subsequently take more of a back seat, as I know all too well that the pressures of trying to keep everyone happy, and take a busy forum in the direction you want, can be very challenging and all-consuming.
Marco.
to be honest ...they had lost the plot a while ago
the language used at time by some members was reprehensable...an for the mods to just sit there and do nothing ...
you need strong mods ...not affraid to upset mates
the other thing about wam was that ...if you upset a clique ..you were subject to bullying
I was banned from wam .....I suspect for saying just that ...but as james refused to tell me why he banned me ..... so I can't be absolutely certain.
As to scalford ...most if not all wammers are on other forums ...should not be to hard to pick up the peices if theres a will ...
My suggestion would be to make this thread or a special thread as a contact wall, like they have after all disasters. There seem to be people wandering around here and at PFM looking for people who were buying their gear, people who paid, etc, just generally people who have lost PM and contact information. That is the main problem as I see it.
Something like "Blue Eyes searching for Cuddly Bunny, I miss you, and where is my bloody CD player" :)
That's the main problem as I see it too, Richard. So what would you suggest as the best way of making this thread a "contact wall", as you call it? :)
Marco.
Public information announcement from James via yer PFM:
"Poor Tony, he now has you to deal with.
Gent's reading this thread this morning and the emails you have all sent really has been quite emotional frankly. That you all support and understand my decision is really quite fantastic.
I know that several people have unfinished business on the classifieds. I will open the forum this evening for the whole evening so that people can get messages to and from each other. Include phone numbers and email addresses in your PMs, as the PM content is also sent via email. That way you should all be able to conclude your business.
Having had a really nice day yesterday, playing cricket in the Sunshine and enjoying a few beers with friends and now having slept on this decision, I feel I need to put a time limit on what is going to happen. I am going to be working away for much of this week, and have a busy weekend ahead, so I think next Monday will be when you hear from me again. I need time to consider what to do.
As I own the commercial rights to the Scalford show I guess many of you will be worried about that. I really want to make sure Scalford happens next year. I am sure some of you will be keen to make it happen, rest assured if the forum closes permanently I think we can still make Scalford go ahead.
I think leaving the forum closed for a while for us all to have a good think, without the distractions of forum life will be a good thing for everyone.
As some have mentioned here, it's boisterous nature has been both the secret of it's success and the reason for it's downfall.
There have been plenty of good ideas here as to how we can move on, I will take them all on board and give them due consideration. Deep down I don't want the wigwam to die like this, but something had to give and for it to continue some things will need to change. What and how, I am not sure yet. But I am thinking about it carefully and I will be missing it's social side as much as the rest of you over the coming days..
We do have a Face book community at https://www.facebook.com/pages/HiFiW...80770915279077
And I am sure the polite and courteous ones of you will be welcome here.
I'll speak to you soon. Phoenix rising from the ashes emoticon anyone? Let's hope so.
Thanks chaps. Seriously restored my faith in the Interwebs.
James."
So there you go.
Bloody Prima Donna, so it was all about needing people to say they love him :lol::ner: