This is still my favouriteQuote:
Originally Posted by Gazjam
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This is still my favouriteQuote:
Originally Posted by Gazjam
That's also my favourite, nice and simple.
+1 for Werners design. Like the typeface and the less cluttered layout. Don't think that multicoloured LEDs and recessed switches are really necessary (although I'll probably buy one in any event if the SQ is as good as intended and having previously been a happy Beresford customer).
I like the cool blue LEDs of the TC7520 as they go with the rest of my gear but i guess thats just selfish...
Now if Stan could only do one in brushed aluminium/grey then we'd really be talking. (Stan - Fancy making a Ltd edition silver one?)
Excellent! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by WAD62
By the way, I did that in iPhoto!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazjam
It's a motor operated machine gun or 'chain gun', found on helicoptors and armoured vehicles. As well as a type of deadly snake which I think is where Stan has got the name from.Quote:
Originally Posted by icehockeyboy
I see it's a well chosen name for something which is destined to bring joy (= music) to the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
Werner.
Hi Werner,Quote:
Originally Posted by Werner Berghofer
Hope you don't mind me editing your post to take the 'sting' out of it as I read it as being humourous ;) .
Dave.
Remco,
thank you so much for emphasizing this!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shutdown98
Werner.
Dave,
do whatever makes you feel better, but please don't ever edit my posts, if the forum software privileges permit you doing this. Guess it's pretty obvious that I don't like smilies or emoticons. My statement was not meant to sound humourous, but sarcastical.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveK
Werner.
:hmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Werner Berghofer
Dave,
yeah, written communication in a foreign language has its pitfalls! Sorry, but my posting wasn’t meant to sound angry, offensive or insulting.Quote:
Originally Posted by synsei
Werner.
Let's be cool, guys, and direct our feedback to Stan as he is the one requesting it. In typical brainstorm manner, don't criticise the ideas or the person, just make a note of them.
Martin,
:peace: :oops: :sorry: :grouphug:Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
Werner.
Lads, hold the weddin' !!!, this is my v first post and i'm doing it in anger. This forum to my understanding is for discussion of hi fi and possibly related matters to help and aid members to learn of new/other things related to music. I don't know but gather that Werner and Stan have previous?? but to take the forum to the level Werner has is to my mind bordering on the rude and disrespectful.
I have booked my Bushmaster with Stan and look forward to testing/discovering it's worth. I'll take my chances based on the other products ive bought from him, and am extremely pissed that discussion of aesthetics has been brought to this level. My first and probably last post will ask Werner to absent himself in a manner not devoid of carnality.
Oh dear...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by nortot
No worries Werner, and your design ideas as a professional in the industry are highly appreciated.
Let's just remember the Ford Edsel - not all designers are created equal!
Hi Tom,
Whilst I agree with some of what you have said we should to make allowances for the fact that English isn't Werner's native language (my apologies Werner ;)). Even when one is absolutely fluent in a language that's not native to you it can sometimes be difficult to convey emotions and concepts, and equally it can lead to misrepresentation of emotions. I think this is what is happening here. Unfortunately for Werner he can come across as a bit blunt (again, my apologies Werner) on occasions.
Werner is particularly happy with the performance of his Schiit DAC and Headphone Amp and he has obviously arrived at this conclusion via auditioning. Werner has had previous experience with Stan's products and he has found the headphone amp in these products to be lacking somewhat. It's his personal opinion and I'm sure Stan is not going to fall on his sword over it, after all you can't please all of the people all of the time... ;)
As for the aesthetics, Stan has already stated that he may make minor alterations for the better once the Bushmaster is out there making him some money, and that is what it is all about after all... :cool:
An excellent post Tom and just what I was going to write.Quote:
Originally Posted by synsei
I always look forward to Werner's posts. They are to the point and so much better written than many of the posts on British forums; so much so that it would appear an indictment of UK education and an endorsement of the German model.
I too have never used a smilie, emoticon or "LOL" in my life and hope I never need to. One should be able to convey one's meaning without such artificial aids, Werner does this admirably - although I agree he can appear a little blunt at times (another apology Werner).
Werner, please keep them coming.
Although I could live with the initial Bushmaster model, I can now see the benefit of some of the '' improved" models. Please keep them coming too...
I now see why I wasn't an Industrial Designer.
Bw to all,
Richard
Sorry Werner, but I disagree. While that might hold true for display on computer screens and projected images, in print there is never enough dynamic range for the eye to struggle to resolve. Any print issue would relate to the opacity of white ink on a black substrate and the choice of correct print stock and ink for the task in hand. Technically the eye has more than enough dynamic range to spare, though it's easy to understand how that myth has been carried on through the years.
I'm not in anyway inclined to like or dislike you because of your profession, but to think you are the only person in the discussion who is trained in graphic design, typography or has worked in fields relating to photometry, specifically the development of HDRI rendering solutions for 3D applications would be incorrect.
Who's Tom? The person you were quoting is called Dave! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonky
Marco.
Ah, this Tom...
Hi Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by nortot
Welcome to AoS :)
Before going any further, please pop into the Welcome area and introduce yourself to our community, telling us what system you use and what music you like, as indeed you were asked to do in the email confirmation you received, after registering. This procedure is required of all members.
Cheers, dude! :cool:
Marco.
Dabbling again, minor tweak to my previous...thinking in terms of colour balance?
No change of current components (which Stan has no doubt bought in by the bucket load) apart form change of LED colour.
Good thing is the blue ones he has probably already bought prepping for manufacture can still be used for the Caiman ;)
*EDIT*
The blue LEDs seperated the gold on the volume knob and the select button. Looking again this maybe gave it a better balance?
Too much gold now and no matching blue LEDs for the rest of your kit! Dunno, anyways its just for fun :)
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9850/finalcs.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7483/bushmaster2u.jpg
Hiya Tom, welcome aboard mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by nortot
Stan welcomes discussion of his products on here so its cool.
Werners given his opinion like the rest of us which is fine too I'd say.
He's also apologised for any (unintentional) offence those delicate souls might have suffered. ;)
Its easy to forget I guess there's folk from all over on AOS and sometimes we can be separated by the same language!
(ps I like smileys)
Mmm, fair enough Werner, I apologise :) . I supect the triple disadvatage of posting in a foreign language, being blunt and direct by nature and disliking smilies greatly increases the risk of your posts being misunderstood but that's your choice - you're a big boy and I'm sure you can handle any misunderstanding that might occur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Werner Berghofer
I seem to recall you threatening to withdraw from AoS a short while ago because you were unhappy with some of the responses some of your posts received? :scratch: .
Please stick around, as others have requested, as your posts are inciteful and greatly appreciated but please don't get upset when you receive equally blunt responses.
Cheers,
Dave.
Agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveK
Everyday's a schoolday though :)
Why is it called Bushmaster? Just curious.
Stan's previous dac was called the caiman which is some kind of tropical crocodile. The Bushmaster is a kind of viper snake, continuing the reptilian theme I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazil
The 7520 however is a small rabbit. Just kidding.
Can I propose a Cameron or Clegg model next Stan ?Quote:
Originally Posted by webby
Despite the comments getting a bit sharp there are, I think, some valid points about the design. The original looked old fashioned and cluttered. All the alternatives are better IMHO but Werner's looks very upmarket and professional. I would prefer the words Beresford and Bushmaster to be in the same typeface as the input selectors though.
I like this:
But the words "Beresford" and "Bushmaster" simply MUST be in the same typeface, otherwise it looks very amateur. I would also reduce 'headphones' to simply 'phones', as I think it looks less 'fussy', and put 'Digital to Analog Converter' also in lower-case text.Quote:
Originally Posted by Werner Berghofer
Marco.
I agree, and this harks back to what I said about consistency of typography. There shouldn't really be any more than perhaps 2 types of font and font size. I would also use the generally accepted icons for power and headphones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
That's cool, Lee. I kinda like written words, more than symbols, though. It gives it a more 'human' touch, IMO, but that's very much a minor consideration :)
Marco.
Oh I agree, but where space is a little limited I'd go with the symbols, especially as they are so well known.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
I think you could get 'phones' in, though, without too much trouble...
Marco.
I think I've posted before about the name, that a Bushmaster is a pit viper which is renowned for it's ruthless attack. This is rather an apt name, I'd have thought, as it could refer to musical attack & also to the offensive that Stan seems intent on unleashing on his competitors.
I see we are smoking from the same tree :eyebrows:.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Grand Wazoo
Having taken some hours off to go lake scouting with an angling friend, and then tucking away a 16 oz steak for lunch, I have now found time to catch up on proceedings.
A few things we have to row back on:
1. I changed the typeface in Bushmaster from that I used in the word Caiman. Judging from that move, nobody ever objected to the Caiman font and style. So maybe I should go back to that style and drop any additional text under Bushmaster. i.e. drop the Digital to Analog Converter bit.
2. I want to keep the logo font separate from anything else. Our type setter seemed to have accidentally switched font there, and I stupidly didn't notice that. The origin of the reason for using the type of font and style in the original and correct logo is based on reasons of the past. Heritage is important to me, so I don't want to amend that part.
As for the remainder:
3. The text layout at the bottom of the case that Werner has suggested looks quite good.
4. The words headphone and power can be replaced by symbols. I am flexible on that, so I shall keep monitoring the opinions for and against that part.
5. But "input" should be "select". I can see many of my customers wondering what "input" does. Yes, I do get email queries that have me wondering why the query poser doesn't get it. I prefer to try to reduce that extra level of possible confusion.
6. There should be channel numbers above the LEDs as Gary has added in his design change. Oherwise it will be hard to figure out which input is in operation.
The name Bushmaster was chosen to reflect the environment that I was born into.I posted some years ago a picture of me with a dispatched Bushmaster. http://www.homehifi.co.uk/aos/watooka1.jpg
Why use Bushmaster though? The DAC has some options like music search, stealth LED mode, sleep, etc. The sort of things that a hunter would recognize.
But let's not overlook the fact that it is not everyday that you the consumer gets a chance to have an input in the design of an item. So let's make the best use of it, and show other forums why AoS is so much different and better :).
Simon,
well, if this effect would exist only on computer screens and projected images, the awareness about it hardly could be at least 200 years old as I stated in my first reply to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sq225917
This has nothing to do with technology or the light reflecting properties of the material used for printing, but is deeply anchored in the way visual perception works in the human brain. Bright shapes and areas appear smaller if they are surrounded by dark areas (“negative”), while the same shapes and areas of identical sizes as in the negative example appear bigger if they are placed in dark colour on a bright background (“positive”). (In German this is called “simultaneous contrast”, I’m sorry but I don’t know the proper English equivalent.) Therefore in competent typography the horizontal space between the glyphs (“letterspacing”) as well as the vertical distance between the type baselines (“leading”) needs to be increased if bright text is placed on dark background.
Unfortunately a lot of software developers and engineers know very little about perception and design. Again: I don’t talk about software development, printing or projection technology here, but about the way visual perception works. Do yourself a favour and google for “optical illusions” and “white text on black background” or consult any serious website dealing with graphical design for more on this topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by sq225917
http://www.berghofer.com/photos/wp/2...ankontrast.gif
Werner.
Show me the money :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichB
http://www.homehifi.co.uk/images/TC-7530/TC-7530DCS.jpg
That looks very nice Stan, except for the black power button ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by StanleyB
That just messes it right up imo...
The switch maker doesn't make a silver knob unfortunately, and I didn't manage to find any local supplier who did make a suitable switch with a silver knob. I only made 10 of the silver ones for now just to trial. i'll worry about the silver knob and a silver mass production version later on. Right now I am trying to concentrate on the launch and follow up action.
Much, MUCH nicer in that brushed silver finish :)Quote:
Originally Posted by StanleyB
To be honest, Tom, I think Marco has been pretty lenient on you. The barefaced cheek of posting the above as your first post, about two respected individuals here on AoS, when you clearly DON'T know the history, takes my breath away. This is a discussion and it implies different opinions, all of which are welcome. For your next post, try reeling it in a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by nortot
:stalks:Quote:
Originally Posted by StanleyB
That, to me, looks so much classier than black. Looking good Stan.
Stan, not much to add here regarding the design, but I just wanted to say what a top bloke you are for keeping the members updated and being so receptive to ideas about the design of the Bushmaster.
Hats off to you sir.
(I do like the silver one though)
I agree wholeheartedly :)Quote:
Originally Posted by StanleyB
But maybe when you get more time & things are going well you might alter the power switch colour :)
I'm with both Martin & David, the silver front panel looks better imo. Strangely I probably wouldn't normally say that, but in this case I feel it does :D
As a small fish in a big pond, it is extremely expensive to make two versions. But I am experimenting with a removable front fascia. I am not sure if anyone else has tried that option in manufacturing of this type of procedure in large sized audio equipment. But it has been a common process with mp3 players and the like for many years. I felt that there is no harm in giving it a go with the Bushmaster.
I am even thinking of making the control software opensource, or at least publish the function of the pins on the microcontroller. So those far smarter than me can come up with some alternative coding and added functionality.
Excellent! - hi-fi with a double A-side. Black c/w Silver?!Quote:
But I am experimenting with a removable front fascia
It isn't possible to make the actual fascia reversible. But it can be unscrewed for real, unlike many other front plates that look removable but aren't that you normally see on various products. Some of them are molded plastic that look like removable whilst others have some parts glued to them, thus making it difficult to produce an aftermarket fascia.
I like Werner's more minimalist approach, with no gold and the aligned buttons (same as the Caiman). I prefer black simply because the rest of my system is black. The alternate fascia is a great idea for those who want something different but what about the case?