What happens for example when we take more samples?
Suppose we sample the waveform well beyond 44.1 and have greater bit depth?
Extend this to infinite samples. Its still digital.
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What happens for example when we take more samples?
Suppose we sample the waveform well beyond 44.1 and have greater bit depth?
Extend this to infinite samples. Its still digital.
Hi guys,
Aren't we in danger of getting sucked into a similar irresolvable vortex here as the subjective/objective one - let it lie and each listen to your own music :).
Now, to get back nearer to the topic, can anyone advise me where I can get more info on the offboard linear PSUs for such a beast please?
I bet Marco never thought he'd see the day when he was trying to catch me up on the subject of audio hardware :lol: . I have a self built HTPC with the same motherboard and sound card as this, connected to the same DAC that Ali referred to - c'mon Marco, you're behind the times!!;)
BTW I'm very happy with my set up and see it as money very well spent.
Cheers,
Dave.
I cant actually hear this Marco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
I can hear less well implemented Dacs but whether that is because of switching noise I couldn't say.
However, this has more to do with conversion than digital source as such.
Maybe you and others can hear the difference between a good quality digital source and an analogue source. I can only refer you to comments you and Martin and others have made elsewhere that in your current systems digital and analogue replay were virtually indistinguishable.
DaveK is right.
I'll leave it here and just write that I hope your music centre gives you as much pleasure as your record player Marco and maybe you'll even develop an interest in computers.
I understand what John is saying data is data what is changing is how we get hold of that data and transfer it through the audio chain; this is where the differences between DACS lies. Also the approach towards digital playback seems to a real key to good sounds
Richard D,
Well done. It’s nice to hear that British cottage industry can still produce exceptional products.
For those questioning the cost of the TFS, which IMHO is low, if you were to factor in the time you spend researching and building a DIY version at a reasonable rate of pay you would be surprised how much it actually costs you to make. Getting it to work at the quality level the TFS is working may also be harder than you think.
DaveK,
The SR7EHD that Marco uses on his Techie can be configured to power motherboards. The multi-rail version can also provide galvanically isolated independent rails for hard drives, sound cards etc. PM me if you want more info.
Regards
Paul
Hi John.
That's only because the effect has never been demonstrated to you. Should you ever make it up to mine, then I'll gladly enlighten you. You often don't realise that something is there until it's gone! :)Quote:
I cant actually hear this Marco.
In fact, if you can make it to Scalford on Sunday, I'll do it there, as I'm taking my TD digital noise filter with me. I'll also be able to let others analyse the same effect. Honestly, it's not a difficult one to hear!
I can also hear the effect of inferior and/or less well-implemented DACs, but what I'm referring to has got nothing to do with that. It's an entirely seperate issue. This is noise which is intrinsic to digital music replay, after data conversion has occurred.Quote:
I can hear less well implemented Dacs but whether that is because of switching noise I couldn't say.
Indeed, but the data source is not an audio 'entity' without the subsequent conversion. It's the absence of the noise generated by the associated switching that defines why good analogue equipment doesn't possess the sonic 'hardness' of even the best digital gear.Quote:
However, this has more to do with conversion than digital source as such.
The TFS sounds so remarkably 'analogue-like', when connected to a very high quality DAC, because of the attention to detail paid by Jason, its designer, in terms of 'noise management' throughout its design, and also when switching noise has been effectively filtered out by an appropriate device, making the sound that the TFS produces comparable with the best analogue sources.
The term "virtually indistinguishable" is of course subjective. I'd say that it was very close. However, my Techy, playing the finest audiophile vinyl pressings, from the likes of Pure Pleasure and Mo-Fi, is still about 5% ahead of the TFS/Sony DAC, playing the finest (non high-res) digital recordings.Quote:
Maybe you and others can hear the difference between a good quality digital source and an analogue source. I can only refer you to comments you and Martin and others have made elsewhere that in your current systems digital and analogue replay were virtually indistinguishable.
But it's that final 5% (the stuff that is hard and usually expensive to achieve) which unlocks the true magic in the best hi-fi systems.
No chance of the latter, matey, but thanks for your kind sentiments. The TFS is proving to be somewhat of a revelation! :cool:Quote:
I'll leave it here and just write that I hope your music centre gives you as much pleasure as your record player Marco and maybe you'll even develop an interest in computers.
Marco.
I'll be making a point of hearing the TFS....given its an area that very much interests me.
Not many products these days that stimulate my interest.
As Paul mentions, getting a digital music centre to sound right isn't as straight forward as some of the bits are bits advocates would have us believe...in my experience anyway.
I think I've heard some excellent DIY music severs so comparison to a commercially available product at what I also think is a reasonable price might prove interesting.
It's recent exposure to a decent Vinyl replay system I'm lacking. :eyebrows:
Post conversion noise filters, yep some are very good......some not so ;)
Good luck to Richard with the TFS is what I think. Perhaps more people will consider this product rather than some of the rather mediocre and overpriced offerings from Bryston and Linn for example.
It's a shame Richard no longer posts here because I've got some questions. ;)
He'll certainly welcome such questions here, John:
http://thehifisubjectivist.noadforum...st=0&sk=t&sd=a
So, sign-up and offer them to him :)
Bear in mind though, that Richard played no part in the computer (OS) software side of the TFS design. For that you should speak with Jason, who posts here (and elsewhere) as 'Figlet108'. You can PM him. Richard was responsible only for the aesthetics and PSU design.
I also wish to stress that Richard makes no money from sales of the TFS, nor has he set the retail price. This is Jason's business. Richard only advises and helps with anything technical within his particular area of expertise.
Marco.
Jeez Marco, you will be getting one of them there magic electric picture boxes next! :lol:
So, essentially the TFS is a PC runing W7 and JRiver with an Asus sound card? The obvious difference being the PSU of course. Can anyone shed any light on which board is in use here? I imagine it may be an Atom board?
I have been experimenting with Boxee and XBMC running on Linux lately and I have to say I am very impressed with the software at least.
Good news Marco, I am glad you are enjoying yourself! :)
Thanks for the link Marco.
I must admit,I was a bit surprised at the Win7 JRiver combo.
It's the OS and hardware tweaks that interest me and I cant see these getting discussed.
Cant go wrong with the glowing Perspex tubes. ;)