I was curious to know who has what in the way of SOURCE equipment ?
So thought I would start a Poll
Turntable
8 track
Cassette player
Reel to reel
Tuner LW MW FM
Mini disc player
CD player
Digital File based audio ( ipods laptops PC imac's etc )
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I was curious to know who has what in the way of SOURCE equipment ?
So thought I would start a Poll
Turntable
8 track
Cassette player
Reel to reel
Tuner LW MW FM
Mini disc player
CD player
Digital File based audio ( ipods laptops PC imac's etc )
I have started with 6 out of 8
No R2R or Mini disc in my system ( Yet ) :eyebrows:
5/8 for me ;)
Depends on what you mean by Digital? I don't have an iPod or similar, so I reckon I have zero in your list!
Perhaps edit to include file based audio, music streamer or suchlike ;)
I took Digital to include file based music, after all it is digital ;)
I was blinded by that word iPod Dave - no way I could tick that :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by synsei
6/8 for me. :)
1/8 for me :).
NVA TFS is my only source.
Needs another category dun' it Ali?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Tait
Not being funny, but all the time and expense that can go into assembling a dedicated custom built file server, which is likely to sound better than many things in that list, cannot just be lumped in with an 'iPod' :rolleyes:
Where's John (Welder) when you need him, I would be very interested in his response ;)
Aye, he's not been on for a while, hope he's getting on ok.
Yes, add a file server category please!
+ 1 from me too - without it my score is 2/8Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Tait
File-based source option, daftees, duly added :)
Marco.
Just a CD player for me. But I'm getting more and more tempted by a return to vinyl.
interesting poll results. Are there really people still using 8 Track? I'm not knocking it, just surprised!
It IS the future , Get in at ground level NOW :eek: While you still can :DQuote:
But I'm getting more and more tempted by a return to vinyl.
That's not really what I meant Marco and its rather dismissive to lump the 'file based lot' all together. Bit like going to party and being waived away with a smirk into another room, because you're not wearing the right shirt! I think even you would agree there is quite a difference between an iPod, a general purpose computer (be it Windoze or MAC) and a purpose built player like the NVA. Then there's all the commercially produced players like the Linn DS etc. Audiophile's might dismiss it, but it is what people are buying/building and using along with their new turntables - how many 8 tracks get sold these days? I think the future holds a small but robust TT and vinyl market, together with file based audio. The rest will be ornaments and novelties kept going only to play archived and precious recordings, not available in any other format.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Too late now, but it would have been interesting to see how those categories broke down, instead of just an 'iPod' and anything else group.
Anyway, I'll get my coat . . .
Turntable: Yes but only albums i have that's not seen the light of day on CDee yet (My hands are tied because of the sheer cost of the vinyl i want, you have to draw a line)
8 Track: I have but never use now
Cassette Player: Yes i do for tapes of live material mainly
Reel To Reel: Yes but not so much these days
MD Player: I have one but it's a portable used to use on the go, but redundant now
CD Player: Yep i hate CD but you can buy expensive obscure albums for peanuts & there's the Bonus material thing
Tuner Radio: I don't but the wife likes radio
File based system: Na never in the main system just with headphones/DAC while on the pooter.
Turntable obviously and an occasional use tuner for the back room.
Lol! I take your point, Tim. However, the Digital Expressions section of this very forum (read the description underneath the title) also sees quality file-based audio 'lumped in' with iPods, etc, simply because, one way or another, it's ALL a form of digital audio ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
Therefore, there was no 'audiophile snobbery'/elitism, as you're implying, attached with how I edited the OP's poll earlier - it was simply factual. If you or he would like the choices amended in some other way, then I am at your service! :cool:
Marco.
Fair enough Marco and thanks for taking the time to reply. From my point of view and as an advocate, it would have been interesting to see how many members were using;
- An iPod or similar
- Plain vanilla computer
- Custom built file server
- Commercially produced player
All moot now as a lot of the voting is done, so no need or point in updating the poll. I just had to respond as there would IMO have been more merit in the above, than knowing who still has an 8 track ;)
No problem, Tim. I think that the contents of the poll merely reflect the biases of the OP, much in the same way as the selection above reflects yours :eyebrows:
Also, bear in mind that a large proportion of the membership of AoS leans towards using vintage gear. Therefore, in that respect, there's just as much merit/relevance in finding out if people are still using 8-tracks, as if they are using a computer to stream their music ;)
Marco.
It would b e snobbery to NOT lump iPod with a high-end file server wouldn't it?
Afterall, they all play file based music so the only distinction between them is some idea within the individual of one or other not being good enough.
I ticked that box cos I plug my phone in to play flacs and my iPod and also my PC - all play the same files (well the iPod could if I Jailbreak'd it) and plug in to the same basic jack to phono lead.
I have and use all bar an 8 Track - never seen or heard one in the flesh
6/8 for me (I have my Sony NH1 minidisc hooked up but hardly use it). Could be 7/8 but I don't have any R2R tapes so never in the system! Shame cos its a nice Tandberg TD20SE
Casette is only a cheap 80s Sanyo a friend gave me - his childhood deck that just keeps going. My fancy decks all need repairs or servicing.
My parents used to have one in the lounge, during the 70s, and my dad also had one in the car too, in those days... The tapes themselves were massive! Sounded pretty good, though :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L
5/8 for me on the poll.
Marco.
You always miss the point being made don't you Nat and feel the need to have a snipe - quite a knack to be honest :doh:
I have responded with turntable and CD player only, because they are primary sources for me. Yes, I can do Spotify through my Touch, but that's just for checking out music that I want to buy. There's also Sky HD through the Bushmaster, but again I don't consider it for primary listening.
Why not do another poll?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
Really not sure what to say - presume this is just a wind up? :scratch:Quote:
Originally Posted by nat8808
Did the poll. See my signature for my gear, since joining this forum I've expanded both the digital and analog capabilities of my systems. This year has seen me add a turntable and tape as well as new DACs and amps.
On the file based side its 3 computers, a tablet, an iPod and a phone with music capability. All of these sources vary widely in quality and listening enjoyment.
Eh? Do you have a previous greavance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
The "point" in the thread as I understand it fro Audio Al's OP is to guage what music sources (i.e. formats ) people can play in their system, or at least regularly use.
Whether I play a flac on a jailbroken iPod or a dedicated media server I've worked hard to perfect is neither here nor there - the point of interest for the poll is that it is a file, not 8-track tape or a physical CD or slab of vinyl.
If you have spent a lot of effort perfecting your file based player and so feel that effort is being dismissed by including iPod in the same catagory then that's your own issue, nothing to do with the poll IMO.
Do we then have to have a catagory for people with a DIY, 5 box mega CD player in case it gets lumped in with a bashed 90s portable plugged into the system?
Maybe snobbery is not the right word then - not sure what other word to use to describe the need to differenciate your better player from a more lowly one. Help me with that if you like.
Just a fun poll.. :cool:
If the poll wants to know if you play files rather than a physical CD but one feels the need to cry out loud that your file based player is much better than a crappy iPod then I'mQuote:
Originally Posted by Alex_UK
not sure what else to call it.
It's irrelevent to the poll as far as I can see :scratch:
Factually it is playing a file and that is all that is being asked..
Personally, I find the poll gives you a sense of how people on the forum interact with their systems.. that's all it's about. Plus I suppose it helps to know what to talk about on here - won't get much response about 8 track but vinyl's a better bet than CD.
I'm sorry but I don't see the difference.
When I selected 'turntable' in the poll I didn't feel the need to specify whether I use my great aunt's hand me down Dansette with a knackered ceramic stylus or a high end audiophile turntable costing £140,000. I expressed the fact that I have a device which plays records.
Why differentiate between types of (non-CD) digital sources?
The only thing i dont have is an 8 track!
Only 4 people of the 52 so far don't have a turntable... interesting. Thought it would actually be more than that.
Well in that case why have 3 different types of magnetic tape?
Because the carrier is significantly different in all 3 cases.
I think we should get Nilson or Gallup in and have them do the poll properly and scientifically. Whip round from all members should only be about £40K or thereabouts, Marco will stump up most of it..
Oh yeah - Turntable, tuner, and a CD player...
And there isn't a significant difference between playing an MP3 file out of the headphone socket of an iPod compared to playing a FLAC file from a dedicated music server into a DAC?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Grand Wazoo
:doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_UK
If the poll wants to know, then who are we to argue? (yes the Poll is now a god like form of it's own)
Actually, hold on, no let's reduce the poll to just 2 options:
1 electrical equipment
2 acoustic equipment (includes wind-up gramaphones, pianolas and organ grinders with monkeys)
That's just the same as playing a badly recorded record isn't it? I can play it on any number or standard of record players. You can play the digital file on many different standards of devices or components. You can't play a 10.5 inch tape on an 8 track or a cassette deck.Quote:
And there isn't a significant difference between playing an MP3 file out of the headphone socket of an iPod compared to playing a FLAC file from a dedicated music server into a DAC?
I was only trying to explore (perhaps selfishly) that it might be interesting to find out what those 'digital' sources were? But you are all quite right it is a digital format - maybe my delivery was misunderstood, but it sure wasn't snobbery or anything to do with value, more to do with sound quality.
Anyway, I've moved on and am enjoying some Rachel Taylor-Beales on my digital player ;)
I quite like Martin's idea though of a Gallup poll, maybe Marco will invite us round for 'tea & tiffin' to announce the results? :D
:cool:
An iPod has a buit-in DAC so do we have to argue whether it is good enough to be compared with an external DAC? Start listing seperate CD transports as a new catagory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_UK
What about an iPod/iPad into a DAC then? (digital dock or via camera connection kit to USB)
Or a dedicated music server via line-out ?
All gets silly and all because one wants to differenciate their gear from stuff they think is inferior. The Gallery is there for being chuffed and excited by your own gear and achievements..
O dear :doh:
I only started the poll to see how many members had what from the list of 8 options , to see if there was a huge swing to one source , also to see the variation in listening sources
I use all my options in rotation
One day the TT , next the CD and so no sonetimes 2 sources in a day , they all get used
No intention to start WW2 1/2 :scratch:
Please chill out :D
Don't worry Allen I'm all cool here, things can often go south when Nat pipes up - anyway it added a bit of spice to an otherwise quiet Saturday night.
So overall you can gauge it a success on that score, nowt wrong with a bit of healthy audio debate and it's highlighted that it really is time I bought a TT ;)
Well there's no point in going round in circles, and I've not once suggested anything is superior or inferior. In my main system on input 2 I have a laptop, convertor and DAC for playing FLAC files, Spotify, internet radio, DVD-A etc - input 4 is connected to an iPod doc for playing low quality digital files conveniently from playlists. IMO they are two very different sources, and I don't see why wanting to differentiate between the two is anything to do with "being chuffed and excited by your own gear and achievements.." but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nat8808
6/8, still looking for the right R to R to replace the 2 track Teac I had a few yrs. ago.
Will never own an 8 Track, it was the analogue equivilent of MP3 in the 70s.
You can't play a FLAC file on an iPod without jailbreaking the iPod first.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Grand Wazoo
Interesting that after thirty years of digital audio "progress", the one thing that seems common to nearly all of us is vinyl.