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twelvebears
03-12-2010, 14:58
Right then Chaps.

While mostly spending my time avoiding having my arse sued off, I have finally managed to resolve my outstanding amp dilema, but in an unexpected way.

So after a long and boring saga involving a Chapter Preface and Couplet pre/power, I was (im)patiently waiting and waiting for the MBL 7008 I had decided on. Unfortunately this was taking AGES and I happened to come across some fairly stunning reviews of the NAD M2 HERE (http://nadelectronics.com/products/hifi-amplifiers/M2-Direct-Digital-Amplifier#heading-reviews) completely by chance. I also came across some very positive comments about it on another form made by our own Mr C of Coherent Systems, and he's not easily impressed....

Despite reservations about a) it's looks b) the NAD badge and c) that it was a true DIGITAL amp with SWITCHING output stage (grief I can hear the thuds of valve-lovers passing out and hitting the floor now), I was curious. Mark at Audio Emotion was being very accommodating because of the Chapter debacle and so he sent me one to have a play with.

This has probably turned out to be the biggest piece of luck in my whole audio history, and it was driven by complete fluke/bordom.

It's big, square and boring to look at. It is however VERY well made and an ergonomic dream to use. However that would mean bugger all if it didn't sound good too.....

The short version is that I absolutely love it and have bought it. The longer version is that this amp was nothing at all like I was expecting it to be, and more than I could have hoped for.

It's clean, fast and very transparent and yet in no way digital sounding. By that I mean that it isn't harsh or edgy and just lets we concentrate on the music and not the sound (if that makes sense). The other extremely weird thing is the way that the damn thing is TOTALLY silent. I mean I understand WHY it is, but the freakish way that with the volume cranked right up there is absolutely NO hiss from the speakers is just WEIRD! The only way you can hear hiss is to have a digital recording which used either analogue mastering or editing, then you can hear the mastertape hiss beautifully reproduced!

So it makes a wonderful job of all my digital sources and has meant than I've sold my Benchmark DAC and several cables, but surely it makes a dog's dinner of an analogue source right? Well actually no. I've got my Techie and phono stage using one of the two 'analogue' inputs (analogue signals are immediately converted to digital) and I'm enjoying it just as much as ever. I even tried back to back comparison of CDs via digital from my SCD777ES vs the same CD via the analogue inputs and believe that the changes were more down to the analogue outputs on the CDP than the M2's A/D stage.

Anyway, I'm loving the new member of the family and think it's here to stay for a long time. :cool:

Welder
03-12-2010, 16:56
Congratulations.
I don’t often suffer from the green eyed monster, but if had four and a half grand to spend that’s what I would get. British too, what more could one want :)
I’ve been watching the reviews it gets and even the most jaded seem to fall in love with it.
Given you can wipe out the cost of a very respectable Dac, chuck away some dubious cabling and power just about any imaginable speaker the price starts to look rather reasonable.
I would love to hear it :steam:

twelvebears
03-12-2010, 20:22
Congratulations.
I don’t often suffer from the green eyed monster, but if had four and a half grand to spend that’s what I would get. British too, what more could one want :)
I’ve been watching the reviews it gets and even the most jaded seem to fall in love with it.
Given you can wipe out the cost of a very respectable Dac, chuck away some dubious cabling and power just about any imaginable speaker the price starts to look rather reasonable.
I would love to hear it :steam:

Cheers John.

Well I'll be taking it to Scalford Hall in March for the room I'm sharing with Jerry, so you'll be able to hear it then.

Personally I think the M2 suffers from two main issues: the NAD name which people don't consider as 'serious' hifi but worthy budget gear, and the 'Digital' label which has analogue lovers feeling dubious.

Even I had doubts and it was just chance that I got a chance to hear it!

Reid Malenfant
03-12-2010, 20:45
I'm looking forward to hearing this myself as i should be there :) Nothing wrong with NAD kit, get a listen to an S200 power amp driving a decent set of speakers & i'm sure just about anyone would realise that :eyebrows:

That amplifiers specification has me scratching my head, the damping factor is enormous & for the life of me i can't figure out how the hell it could be so high on a switching amp :scratch:

The rest of the specs aren't to be sniffed at either & are also pretty remarkable :)

At the end of the day though it's how it sounds & it appears you are pretty happy Steve so nuff said :eyebrows:

Darren
03-12-2010, 22:06
Mmmmm! Count me in. Love the NAD look. Love switchers... My last two power amps have been switchers.
I doubt there's anyone in the UK who knows more about getting the best out of a switcher than Mr C. So, if he says it's good then I'm sure it's great.
The price is certainly more than I would wish to pay for a mass produced amplifier but I do hope you enjoy in the long term.

Welder
03-12-2010, 23:16
Your taking it to the gathering! :eek:

Beware my son, I can foresee great consternation and angst from the brethren of the glowing glass tube.

Your defection to the digital path will be hard enough for them to swallow without the certain knowledge upon hearing the beasts sound that their days of the supremacy of the shiney black disc and glowing glass tube are truly numbered.
They will conspire against you. They will shun it and you. They will avert their golden ears and command that others will not read the spec and shall not listen to the deep silence between the roars of sound and be fearful of the speed of the ones and zero’s
:ner:

Ali Tait
04-12-2010, 00:26
Witch! Burn 'im!!

twelvebears
04-12-2010, 09:11
Witch! Burn 'im!!

:lolsign:

Jerry and I had already considered the reaction that a DIGITAL, SWITCHING NAD amp might get and were thinking of running the system with the M2 hidden under a shroud so that people had to draw their conclusions using their ears rather than their preconceptions....

To just touch on the point about the M2 being expensive for a mass produced product, by all accounts, it's actually being produced in relatively small numbers (by NAD standards) and there is very little margin in the retail price, which would indicate that NAD are really using the M2 as a platform to demonstrate the technology, rather than turn a big profit. It's also worth remembering that the M2 costs half what the Millenium amp cost several years back, and I know another customer of Mark's who has just traded his Millenium for an M2 and considers it to be even better.

Mark Grant
04-12-2010, 10:55
Despite reservations about a) it's looks b) the NAD badge and c) that it was a true DIGITAL amp with SWITCHING output stage

It looks good :)
Dont worry about badge snobbery and digital does not matter, all that matters is you like how it sounds :)

If it had a USB input to plug a PC in it would be better for a lot of people, but no problem.

Looks fairly expensive but does replace a few other bits and pieces.
http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=nad+m2&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&oe=&redir_esc=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=bx36TOTEMcHDhAev6IyRCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&ved=0CBQQ_AU


You will soon be off the upgrade treadmill the way it's going :)

Mark.

Ali Tait
04-12-2010, 11:02
I'd like to hear this too,I like what I've heard of Tripath amps so far.Be interesting to hear what a product at this level sounds like.

Welder
04-12-2010, 11:28
I’m not sure what the problem is with the NAD image. If my memory serves me the 3020 integrated had one of the best pre amp stages around at the time. People were using them with all sorts of more exotic kit.
My hope is that NAD will do what they did with the m3 range and produce a smaller brother. A 100 watt version at a grand less would put the technology within the reach of people such as me who would consider spending £1500 each on an amp and Dac.

Marks comment concerning USB is an intelligent observation. Maybe that will come in time. No doubt there will still be cable debates for digital signal transfer much like what has happened with USB cables. A file music server – digital amp – speaker chain of the kind of quality the M2 would seem to make possible could do great things for the audiophile who doesn’t have tens of thousands of pounds to spend but wants exceptional quality audio.
Hopefully it will be long before other manufacturers look at full DSP amps. The advantages, if done well, are considerable.

(hmmm, maybe i can persuade my mate to sell his Sugden Master class pre and mono's and get one of these)

technobear
04-12-2010, 17:49
Regarding the lack of USB...

If you can afford an M2 then you can afford the Halide Design Bridge to go with it ;)

WAD62
05-12-2010, 12:37
Given that my little £30 Muse tripath amp sounds excellent...then this should be quite a beast! :eyebrows: