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magiccarpetride
03-11-2010, 17:37
Went into my local hi fi store yesterday to check their moving sale prices (store lease expires next year and they're looking for a cheaper location). In particular was interested in adding a pair of high quality subwoofers to my Magnepane speakers.
Quite unexpectedly, and much to my surprise, I got accosted by a couple of very enthusiastic sales people who right off the bat started raving about the comeback that vinyl seems to be having. I wasn't aware of this comeback (is this a Second Coming or something?) Anyway, they just couldn't stop raving about the vinyl, extolling its virtues over anything digital, and then proceeded to push all kinds of turntables and phono stages on me. Like, just buy one of these babies, throw this hand-wound phono stage in, hook them up, and you'll think you've died and went to heaven.
What gives? How come all of a sudden these sales people are barely interested in showcasing any other gear and are so darn focused on vinyl/analog gear? What happened so suddenly that this piece of plastic is now considered to be the Holly Grail?
Quite unexpectedly, and much to my surprise, I got accosted by a couple of very enthusiastic sales people who right off the bat started raving about the comeback that vinyl seems to be having. I wasn't aware of this comeback (is this a Second Coming or something?) Anyway, they just couldn't stop raving about the vinyl, extolling its virtues over anything digital, and then proceeded to push all kinds of turntables and phono stages on me. Like, just buy one of these babies, throw this hand-wound phono stage in, hook them up, and you'll think you've died and went to heaven.
What gives? How come all of a sudden these sales people are barely interested in showcasing any other gear and are so darn focused on vinyl/analog gear? What happened so suddenly that this piece of plastic is now considered to be the Holly Grail?
Do you always believe salesmen even if approached quite unexpectedly, and much to your surprise?
Er they have a sale and are salesmen not one of your old friends. Dont go there it aint any good.
Thats $100 please.
hifi_dave
03-11-2010, 19:21
For some of us, vinyl never went away. Likewise with valve amps..:rock:
Vinyl is the new CD - CD is the new VHS.
The Vinyl Adventure
03-11-2010, 21:42
That's a broad generalisation of staff in hifi shops ... I worked in a hifi shop today, I didn't talk to anyone about turntables ... Is say it's the staff in your local shop! I know people who have been banging on about a return of vinyl... They are people who have bought a turntable recently
I got into vinyl 18 months ago, developed an obsession and am now bankrupt :-) I say buy everything they tell you to!! You can upgrade it later...
I try to buy most of my new music purchases on LP ,I like to use my record player,
but of course there is always alot of used records out there, it's just that you don't
want to consign your turntable to just all the old stuff.
So for that reason it's very satisfying listening to something brand new on your turntable.
Stratmangler
04-11-2010, 08:42
10 years ago maybe........
Stratmangler
04-11-2010, 08:47
If you've got a large stash of vinyl records then it might be worth the expenditure.
If not, then I wouldn't bother.
Out there in the big wide world, vinyl is all but forgotten, except for us oldies who used the stuff first time round. i bet the staff in this audio salon were youngsters who'd just discovered the tactile delights of records. I bet they also stock a mottley range of passive speakers with nassssty tweeters and crossovers too, the gentleness of vinyl balancing the excesses out.
Now, back to my AT6 and a stack of singles.....
Hi Dave,
i bet the staff in this audio salon were youngsters who'd just discovered the tactile delights of records...
Maybe - and how many other youngsters do you think would "discover the tactile delights of records" if they were actually introduced to them? ;)
Whilst I fully acknowledge that vinyl is by far in the minority the music format used by most people these days, I don't buy the idea that youngsters are deliberately shunning it in favour of downloads (or whatever) - it's simply that most of them don't even know that turntables and records still exist!
But in my experience, when they're introduced to them, they think they're really cool, particularly if the kids concerned are into dance/dub/ambient/electronic-type music, where the 12" singles in specialist records shops around the country cater big time for those genres of music; indeed many such new releases are only available on that format.
There's a record shop/DJ store I go to in Glasgow called 'Rubadub', see website here:
http://www.rubadub.co.uk/
...which is choc-a-block full of dance/club music on vinyl, and equally choc-a-block full of youngsters (18-25 year olds) buying it, and listening to it first through headphones on a selection of SL-1200s. I buy quite a lot of music there, too. And there are numerous other similar places throughout the country.
Therefore it's not a case at all of youngsters shunning vinyl and considering that it's the preserve of their granddads, but rather that there is a significant scene out there (and a growing one) that see T/Ts and vinyl as being seriously cool and 'happening'!
Witness what Mr Scruff said recently in the Guardian:
There are a lot of modern DJs and producers – people like Floating Point and Mala from DMZ – who play exclusively on vinyl. You've got a new breed of people who are vehemently pro-turntable and wouldn't be seen dead with a CD, never mind an MP3. It's a funny one: for every indicator that vinyl is on the wane, there'll be another generation of kids who are buying it again, or kids who are a bit sick of having a computer full of anonymous MP3s.
Hear bloody hear!! :clap:
The truth is, it's only you granddads who aren't in touch with this scene, and therefore arrive at some rather jaundiced and ill-informed conclusions!! :ner: ;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
04-11-2010, 09:24
.... it's simply that most of them don't even know that turntables and records still exist!
I take issue with the use of the word "still".
My son is probably one of the very few in his age group (he's 10) who has even seen records and a turntable in action.
Well, Chris, keep up the good work and expose him as often as possible to the joys of vinyl, as *that* is precisely the way we (our generation) will help keep it alive!
Your boy is a smashing little lad. I hope he's recovered fully now from his football injury :)
Marco.
Stratmangler
04-11-2010, 09:48
He's not back playing yet, but things are improving:)
Alex doesn't think very much of the "music" other people in his class listen to either - he likes rock music, AC/DC especially, and has been exposed to and enjoys the delights of some Frank Zappa (he is only 10 - sometimes the language can get a bit ripe) and Tom Waits.
T'other night he was enjoying listening to Steely Dan.
Glad to hear he's on the mend, Chris :)
Superb stuff - you're certainly bringing him up the right way! If only there were more parents like you, then the audio and music scene now might be in a much better state...
It does go to show though that what kids are into is almost always largely influenced by the values their parents instil in them, and so all it would take to get the vast majority of youngsters into vinyl and decent music is simply to educate them, just like you're doing with Alex :cool:
How many parents today though do that? The fact is, you can't discover or use something unless you know it exists!
Going back to 'Rubadub', and the music they sell, what I also find interesting is the superb quality of most of the recordings on 12" singles.
Most sound absolutely stunning - and often these recordings are made by kids in their bedroom using not much more than a laptop! I guess it's the sheer simplicity of the procedure, lack of 'fannying around' with the sound that happens in most studios, and the sheer dedication of the kids to produce an end product that is really good!
Marco.
Canetoad
04-11-2010, 10:23
I recorded and watched Classic Albums show on Aja - Steely Dan last night. The show is on late Saturday/early Sunday on Sky1 (might be Friday/Saturday?).
Cream - Disraeli Gears is on this weekend if anybody's interested.
Stratmangler
04-11-2010, 11:01
I recorded and watched Classic Albums show on Aja - Steely Dan last night. The show is on late Saturday/early Sunday on Sky1 (might be Friday/Saturday?).
Cream - Disraeli Gears is on this weekend if anybody's interested.
I liked the bit where Chuck Rainey talked about ducking down out of sight when he was doing the slap bass parts in the song "Peg".
Slap bass was expressly forbidden by Messrs. Fagen and Becker, as they considered it passé. In this instance it works beautifully.
Of course vinyl is very much a minority interest and it will remain so. In today's connected internet world it's easy to maintain such minority interests.
Before the web such covens as this would be not be here to promote vinyl (amongst other things) and link like-minded people. The internet facilitates strong minority interest groups so this high tech world is actually helping old technology to survive and prosper.
Good points, Clive, and very true.
However, I still maintain that vinyl would've been much less a minority interest amongst people today, particularly the younger generation, if there were more people like Chris (born in the era when vinyl was king), educating their children about it, instead of simply letting them become slaves to fashion - which is what kids (and the general public) will automatically do unless shown differently..... It's human nature.
The fact is, however, show a youngster today a turntable, and let them play some records on it, and I bet you any money 8 out of 10 of them would say "wow, that's cool", than "man, what's that ancient old shit?"
Think about it ;)
Marco.
For sure exposure to the format will be an important formative experience. What's likely to happen following that is a proportion will later in life dredge up the experience, surf the web and get into vinyl, possibly in their early 20's. It's a mix of various factors.
But....I don't believe vinyl can become "much less of a minority interest" as it doesn't fit in with today's lifestyle - it requires dedication, patience, understanding, focusing on the music and not doing lots of other things whilst LPs are playing - life for youngsters just doesn't follow this pattern.
But....I don't believe vinyl can become "much less of a minority interest" as it doesn't fit in with today's lifestyle - it requires dedication, patience, understanding, focusing on the music and not doing lots of other things whilst LPs are playing - life for youngsters just doesn't follow this pattern.
No, maybe not (for many), and much to my eternal dismay..... I could say a lot about this, but let's not go there, or at least keep it for another thread ;)
Marco.
Orient_Pirate
04-11-2010, 16:29
How’s this for irony?
I went into Chemical Records the other week based in Bristol. They are probably the biggest vinyl outlet in the UK for dance records. It was full of young ‘hoodies’ sat at desks each with a PC and a pair of headphones listening to tracks they had selected with their mouse.
Once they had decided what they wanted they would pay ‘on line’ walk up to the counter when called by name and pick up their vinyl.
Crazy but it worked! New meets old as it were…
magiccarpetride
04-11-2010, 16:40
Good points, Clive, and very true.
However, I still maintain that vinyl would've been much less a minority interest amongst people today, particularly the younger generation, if there were more people like Chris (born in the era when vinyl was king), educating their children about it, instead of simply letting them become slaves to fashion - which is what kids (and the general public) will automatically do unless shown differently..... It's human nature.
The fact is, however, show a youngster today a turntable, and let them play some records on it, and I bet you any money 8 out of 10 of them would say "wow, that's cool", than "man, what's that ancient old shit?"
Think about it ;)
Marco.
I don't think it's as black-and-white as you portray it here. For example, I have an enormous collection of LPs (I'm 53 years old, grew up during the heyday of vinyl, became a crazed collector). My children grew up with LPs scattered all around the house, and the walls of their rooms are laced with those staple LP covers: Four lads crossing the street on the Abbey Road cover, Janis Joplin "Pearl", the brilliant "Revolver" cover, Jethro Tull "Stand Up", Emerson, Lake and Palmer "Trilogy", etc. My children think that LPs are way cool.
But do they listen to them? No, not really. Why is that? Simple -- convenience. One of the reasons LPs didn't stay as the mainstream format in music is their inherent limitations. You can't take LPs or singles with you, you can't play them in the car. That format is not portable, not transferrable. Consequently, you have a niche product. A boutique item, if you will. Cool, but limited.
And it's always going to stay that way.
My real inquiry here is whether the claims that LPs sound way superior to any other digital format hold water. Personally, I'm not convinced, although I know from many years of first hand experience that LPs have their own unique sound that is impossible to replicate in any other format. Whether that unique sound is superior, or just different, is open for debate.
Hi Alex,
You're right - nothing in life is 'black and white'....
I don't disagree with what you've written at all (although I'm firmly of the view that the best of analogue beats anything the best of digital is capable of, and I hear evidence to my ears of this every day). There's not much point in arguing that one, though, or we'll be here for eternity....! ;)
Ultimately, of course, kids will do what they want to do, but I believe that their attitude to these things can be shaped to an extent in their early years.
I just think that if more parents from our/my generation, like Chris, (I'm a bit younger than you) educated their kids to appreciate good music and what vinyl and T/Ts are capable of more (presuming that the parents themselves are into this), instead of leaving their kids to ultimately become 'slaves of fashion' and current trends, as it were, it wouldn't be a bad thing.
Perhaps then more teenagers would, while they're at home, play music on decent equipment and on proper high-fidelity formats (CD and vinyl) instead of MP3 players and such like?
You're absolutely right about the convenience thing, but then I was always brought up to appreciate quality over quantity and to try to prioritise such values in all aspects of my life (not just in my music listening), and thus not always be focussed on convenience or the 'latest and greatest' disposable commodities.
Sadly, I think these old-fashioned (but worthy) values have all but disappeared in today's society, and this manifests itself in not only the listening habits of many of today’s kids, but their eating habits, and many other things too!
I could go on about this in great detail, as it's a subject I'm both passionate with and feel very strongly about, but I'll leave it for another time in another thread :)
Marco.
I've put aside my Pro-Ject RPM4 to be my 2 year old daughter's first turntable. :) Whether she will ever be interested in it of course is a different matter!
Nice one, Alex - *that* is exactly the attitude which could help change things in future :)
It's anyone's guess, and of course time will tell, but I'd bet that if you get her used to playing records (when it's practical to do so), she'll not only grow up loving music (the most important thing) but also become discerning as to what she plays it on.
Marco.
magiccarpetride
04-11-2010, 19:00
Hi Alex,
You're right - nothing in life is 'black and white'....
I don't disagree with what you've written at all (although I'm firmly of the view that the best of analogue beats anything the best of digital is capable of, and I hear evidence to my ears of this every day). There's not much point in arguing that one, though, or we'll be here for eternity....! ;)
Ultimately, of course, kids will do what they want to do, but I believe that their attitude to these things can be shaped to an extent in their early years.
I just think that if more parents from our/my generation, like Chris, (I'm a bit younger than you) educated their kids to appreciate good music and what vinyl and T/Ts are capable of more (presuming that the parents themselves are into this), instead of leaving their kids to ultimately become 'slaves of fashion' and current trends, as it were, it wouldn't be a bad thing.
Perhaps then more teenagers would, while they're at home, play music on decent equipment and proper high-fidelity formats (CD and vinyl) instead of MP3 players and such like?
You're absolutely right about the convenience thing, but then I was always brought up to appreciate quality over quantity and to try to prioritise such values in all aspects of my life (not just in my music listening), and thus not always be focussed on convenience or the 'latest and greatest' disposable commodities.
Sadly, I think these old-fashioned (but worthy) values have all but disappeared in today's society, and this manifests itself in not only the listening habits of many of today’s kids, but their eating habits, and many other things too!
I could go on about this in great detail, as it's a subject I'm both passionate with and feel very strongly about, but I'll leave it for another time in another thread :)
Marco.
Hi Marco,
I wholeheartedly agree with you, and I blame the car culture for coercing quality into quantity.
Why do I say so? Because here, in North America, life is organized so that it absolutely and unavoidably revolves around automobiles. Houses and apartments have been turned into a wasteland of collective bedrooms. Just a place to rest your head for the night, before re-entering the shitty rat race. And while in the midst of a rat race, the only way to enjoy some music is by playing some crappy mp3 in your car (or on your computer at work). I hate that, hate it with passion.
I also blame the loudness wars on this collective obsession with cars. If it wasn't for a hugely loud noise floor in the cars, sound engineers would not focus so much on limiting and compressing almost all of the modern recordings (in order to make quieter passages listenable above the car noises), including even the remasters of the classics (rock, pop, etc.)
Question: are we also susceptible to loudness wars on vinyl?
Lastly, I'm green with envy after hearing that you have the privilege to enjoy the high end vinyl system at home. I'm not that wealthy myself, so I have to limit my financial escapades to the high end digital only.
Would love to be able to spin my vast collection of LPs on a state-of-the-art TT/phono stage. Alas, at this stage in my life there are no rich uncles and such who are about to die any time now and leave me an obscene inheritance.
selfaddict
04-11-2010, 19:14
Perhaps then more teenagers would, while they're at home, play music on decent equipment and proper high-fidelity formats (CD and vinyl) instead of MP3 players and such like?Marco.
I think this is the key issue here. If youngsters have not ever heard what truly excellent hifi kit can produce they cannot ever appreciate the analog sound and understand what all the fuss is all about.
My brother loves his MP3 "music" and his system is very clear and very detailed. He is using excellent CD player and active Genelec speakers. The sound for me is way too bright and analytical. There is no warmth nor there is depth or any decent sound stage, but this suits his taste and the music he loves.
I am not able to demonstrate to him what good analog sound is, because of the distance between us, but I am very interested to hear his comments when this will happen in the future. For him turntables are a lot of crackles and pops, scratched vinyls and inferior sound in generally. But I cannot blame him, because he he has not been educated and shown the way towards the musical nirvana(and empty wallet) :lol: .
michaelhigh
04-11-2010, 19:47
Sounds like a "moving sale" to me...
Sounds like a "moving sale" to me...
Right.
Sounds like they were trying to shift stuff and that's all - turntables are probably a harder sell so they're trying harder to sell them before the move.
Many people who are into high-end hifi are still turning to all digital systems these days I'm afraid - even the experienced Jerry only keeps his for playing the records he cant find on other formats.
Even for dedicated audiophiles it can still be too much effort - it really is the more geeky end of audiophilia and life is often too busy, let alone if you've kids too.
The best of digital has (apparently, as people with first hand experience often say) come of age finally, even getting more from the old CD format.
That doesn't reflect my leanings though - I like turntables.
magiccarpetride
08-11-2010, 20:50
Right.
Sounds like they were trying to shift stuff and that's all - turntables are probably a harder sell so they're trying harder to sell them before the move.
Many people who are into high-end hifi are still turning to all digital systems these days I'm afraid - even the experienced Jerry only keeps his for playing the records he cant find on other formats.
Even for dedicated audiophiles it can still be too much effort - it really is the more geeky end of audiophilia and life is often too busy, let alone if you've kids too.
The best of digital has (apparently, as people with first hand experience often say) come of age finally, even getting more from the old CD format.
That doesn't reflect my leanings though - I like turntables.
My issue with vinyl is that one has to invest quite a lot of money into turntables and the phono stage before it gets to the real high end sound quality. In the digital realm, I can invest only $300.00 for Logitech Squeezebox Touch, and then maybe another $300.00 for Beresford Caiman DAC, and right there I am in the big league sound quality wise. I doubt that a $600.00 turntable/phono combo can take me into the big league. Or maybe it can?
I made the decision to get into vinyl a year ago and spent £500 on a phono stage and £200 on a serviced Technics 1200. Im a complete amateur to Hi Fi and i will admit to the annoying flaws of vinyl, which in my experience so far have been bad record presses. I can say though in all confidence i have more detail and 3 dimensional sound stage than i ever had from my modern £900 Arcam cd player which i dont play anymore.
Ive come to the conclusion that with the cost of the cd player and the cost of the throw away music i bought digitally , vinyl has been more cost effective and brought me more joy ( along with the tears).
Out there in the big wide world, vinyl is all but forgotten, except for us oldies who used the stuff first time round. i bet the staff in this audio salon were youngsters who'd just discovered the tactile delights of records. I bet they also stock a mottley range of passive speakers with nassssty tweeters and crossovers too, the gentleness of vinyl balancing the excesses out.
Now, back to my AT6 and a stack of singles.....
Dave, not surprisingly, I don't agree with a word of that (and particularly not with the sentiment).
To add to what YNWaN says above:
1) Dave, even with your huge experience in the industry you've not heard a good deck set up for definition rather than lushness? Many modern decks are more hi def than most digital setups.
2) Better than active speakers are speakers with NO CROSSOVER or at least very minimalist ones, probably retaining just a capacitor on the tweeters. Dave, you're listening to active crossover electronics corrupting the signal - less is more when applied sensibly. And no, you don't need full range drivers to get rid of crossovers on the mid-range.
Finally, who's buying all those drum 'n bass records then? Is it oldies like me?
Maybe I mis-read the context of comments Dave.....
kininigin
09-11-2010, 08:43
Finally, who's buying all those drum 'n bass records then? Is it oldies like me?
Erm that'll be me :rave:
And me (sometimes), although I'm more into electronic and ambient :)
Sonically, the 12" singles of the genre on a modded Techie have to be heard to be believed, with bass impact that would pin you to the wall! :eek:
Marco.
Darren, I don't know your age.....but what I do know is that drum 'n bass is mainly consumed by those in their teens and 20's.....and is more related to drugs than some other genres.
Hi Clive,
1) Dave, even with your huge experience in the industry you've not heard a good deck set up for definition rather than lushness? Many modern decks are more hi def than most digital setups.
Indeed - and *that* is exactly my point. My modded Techie (and no doubt your Salvation) sounds the complete opposite of 'lush'. It's been built with one goal in mind: to extract maximum information from recordings with minimal coloration.
I would never buy a T/T that 'cossets' my music collection (read as imbues it with euphonic warmth), and nor would I buy amps or speakers which are like that - or anything else for that matter. That isn't hi-fi.
As such, my Techie (with the right pressings on vinyl) sounds more "hi def" than my Sony CDP - and trust me, that's been modded by Audiocom with the exact same goals in mind ;)
2) Better than active speakers are speakers with NO CROSSOVER or at least very minimalist ones, probably retaining just a capacitor on the tweeters. Dave, you're listening to active crossover electronics corrupting the signal - less is more when applied sensibly. And no, you don't need full range drivers to get rid of crossovers on the mid-range.
"Better" is of course entirely subjective. Each design philosophy has its unique merits, but of course at the end of the day all we're doing is choosing our ideal balance of compromises....
For you it's the Bastani OBs, for me big vintage Tannoy DCs, upgraded with the best modern components, and with Dave (it seems) it's active ATCs, and such like.
There is no one universally 'best' loudspeaker solution, but then I know you knew that anyway! :cool:
Marco.
"Better" is of course entirely subjective. Each design philosophy has its unique merits, but of course at the end of the day all we're doing is choosing our ideal balance of compromises....
For you it's the Bastani OBs, for me big vintage Tannoy DCs, and with Dave it's big active ATCs, and such like.
There is no one universally 'best' loudspeaker solution, but then I know you knew that anyway! :cool:
Marco.
Agreed Marco, better is subjective and there is indeed no one way to the holy grail. What really matters is how well a technology is implemented. A great technology poorly implemented will always be lousy, whether that's passive, active or no crossover.
Indeed - judicious implementation of technology is always the key!
Marco.
kininigin
09-11-2010, 09:52
Darren, I don't know your age.....but what I do know is that drum 'n bass is mainly consumed by those in their teens and 20's.....and is more related to drugs than some other genres.
Im not sure what your trying to imply with that statement :scratch:
What you say is true to an extent but there are those who have been in the scene a long time who still make this music and are certainly not in there teens.
There are so many different styles of drum'n'bass that can be listend to at home and is not purely dance floor targeted.dj crystl - sweet dreamz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GZgk0dEHVs is an example of ambient jungle which is a beautiful piece of music no drugs needed to appreciate it and in fact i find that drum and bass is less related to drugs(harder drugs) than some other genres.
Im 31 by the way.
Hi Darren,
How's the Techie sounding now with the Timestep PSU in place? :)
Oh, and I'm 45 and also like listening to the stuff you've mentioned.
You'd love Rubadub! Hard to Find Records in Birmingham is also very good for drum 'n' bass, dub, electronic/ambient stuff, too (and lots of other things): http://www.htfr.com/vinyl-sections/
There are usually quite a few youngsters there, too, buying vinyl, helping the comeback we're speaking of ;)
Marco.
Its not Birmingham, but I can recommend this place in Manchester.
http://boomkat.com/
Im 31 by the way.
There you go, not a long way from people in their teens and 20's......
I get to know something of what a local dj (Dope Ghost) around here gets up to in the UK and Netherlands, ie the venues and people who are his punters. Mostly the drugs tend to be relatively soft.
As with any specialist interest there are lots of sub-cultures, just as there is with hi-fi.
kininigin
09-11-2010, 10:33
Hi Darren,
How's the Techie sounding now with the Timestep PSU in place? :)
Oh, and I'm 45 and also like listening to the stuff you've mentioned.
You'd love Rubadub! Hard to Find Records in Birmingham is also very good for drum 'n' bass, dub, electronic/ambient stuff, too.
Marco.
To cut a long story short since getting the psu working i have had a trip to france which i have just got back from which was a nightmare as we drove to the alpes and back in a fully loaded transit to refurb my brothers chatlet (check link,old pics on there atm but new ones up soon) which didn't help with the fact that i have sciatic nerve damage which sends shooting pains down my leg when in a sitted position.As it hurts like buggery (i imagine) when i sit down even on painkillers i haven't had the chance to listen to the technics yet but i do feel alot better today so will have a listen if i can.
Oh and with all the fun i have had with travelling to france working 12-14hrs a day with sciatic nerve damage getting back sunday and both me and my brother forgetting our mums 50th birthday i now need to go to town to find a present which means walking (limping and randomly screaming)from shop to shop.
And to top it all off since this is the first time i have been to a doctor/hospital since being a kid no one seems able to trace my nhs number so i may have to pay for x-ray results.
Almost forgot driving back to france again in a few weeks.(not quite a short story:))
Someone get me a gun so i can end it now :lol:
I'll have to check rubadub out one day,htf is good but slightly over priced with some of the older records i have found.
Its not Birmingham, but I can recommend this place in Manchester.
http://boomkat.com/
Nice one, Nick - I've bookmarked that link. I will also check out the place next time I'm in Manchester :)
Quite simply, there are loads of these outlets up and down the country, catering for 'non oldies', so the picture people are painting of the interest in vinyl today is, IMO, somewhat skewed.
The fact is if T/Ts and vinyl were promoted as being 'trendy' by the media as much as downloads and computer audio (not that this is likely to happen anytime soon), they'd be used now by much more people of all ages.
The general public tend to have a sheep-like mentality and love being told what is 'best' by so-called 'experts', rather than having the gumption to make up their own minds and do their own thing.
That applies to audio as much as it does to anything else, and it's this somewhat 'mindless' attitude that pisses me off. Hey ho, such is life! :cool:
Marco.
Hi Darren,
To cut a long story short since getting the psu working i have had a trip to france which i have just got back from which was a nightmare as we drove to the alpes and back in a fully loaded transit to refurb my brothers chatlet (check link,old pics on there atm but new ones up soon) which didn't help with the fact that i have sciatic nerve damage which sends shooting pains down my leg when in a sitted position.As it hurts like buggery (i imagine) when i sit down even on painkillers i haven't had the chance to listen to the technics yet but i do feel alot better today so will have a listen if i can.
Oh and with all the fun i have had with travelling to france working 12-14hrs a day with sciatic nerve damage getting back sunday and both me and my brother forgetting our mums 50th birthday i now need to go to town to find a present which means walking (limping and randomly screaming)from shop to shop.
And to top it all off since this is the first time i have been to a doctor/hospital since being a kid no one seems able to trace my nhs number so i may have to pay for x-ray results.
Almost forgot driving back to france again in a few weeks.(not quite a short story:))
Someone get me a gun so i can end it now :lol:
Whoa, mate - you have been busy!! :eek:
Sorry to hear of your health issues. I hope things get better soon.
I think you defo need some chillout time to listen to your tunes, so hopefully you'll get some A.S.A.P....
I'll have to check rubadub out one day,htf is good but slightly over priced with some of the older records i have found.
I agree, but the range is pretty diverse. Hey, if you fancy a wee trip to Glasgow sometime (the alternative music scene is pretty good there), just let me know. I've got a few mates up there, so there would no doubt be somewhere for you to crash, in between of course consuming copious quantities of alcohol and drugs, haha! ;)
Marco.
P.S Loved the DJ Crystl track!
Reid Malenfant
09-11-2010, 12:25
There you go, not a long way from people in their teens and 20's......
:lolsign: Ok Clive, like Marco i'm in my mid forties & i have hundreds of Drum 'N' Bass CDs. Lots of Techno, Jungle, Breakbeat etc, etc..
Now while i was probably listening to more of that 10 years ago, i still listen to it to this very day. Admittedly i'm more of an Ambient listener nowadays though ;)
Back to records :)
Err...I never said the only people in their teens and 20's listen to drum 'n bass. All I know is the gigs Dope Ghost runs are not frequented by many people in their 40's, 50's or older. Also when I'm in HMV looking at vinyl the drum 'n bass section has people who look at least half my age browsing and no, I'm not 132.
If the majority of people going to drum 'n bass gigs and buying drum 'n bass vinyl are indeed middle aged then I bow to the knowledge of those deeply involved in the rave scene (which I'm not).
Indeed.
The fact is though, vinyl (of any musical genre) is not the sole preserve of middle-aged men and above, nor deliberately shunned by all youngsters in favour of downloads... :)
Btw, technically (at 45) I may be "middle-aged", but I certainly don't act like it! ;)
In fact, most people meeting me for the first time put me in my 30s.
Marco.
kininigin
09-11-2010, 15:10
Hi Darren,
Whoa, mate - you have been busy!! :eek:
Sorry to hear of your health issues. I hope things get better soon.
I think you defo need some chillout time to listen to your tunes, so hopefully you'll get some A.S.A.P....
I agree, but the range is pretty diverse. Hey, if you fancy a wee trip to Glasgow sometime (the alternative music scene is pretty good there), just let me know. I've got a few mates up there, so there would no doubt be somewhere for you to crash, in between of course consuming copious quantities of alcohol and drugs, haha! ;)
Marco.
P.S Loved the DJ Crystl track!
Well i have got tomorrow off as well so should grt some much needed chillout time with plenty of tunes to play.
Thanks for the offer i've never been to glasgow so might take you up on that one day and as for consuming copious quantities of alcohol and drugs,im sure i have no idea what your talking about :eyebrows:
I've just listened to a few tracks and initial impressions are wow,music now has much more freedom,better seperation and sounds much more solid if that makes sense.
I also have a new jico stylus which is sounding good.
Playing Photek'Rings around saturn' on the old stylus bass was deep and quite well defined but could swamp the higher frequencies a tad,on the jico stylus it is much better controlled allowing more trebal definition through.
I think the next few hours could be fun :)
kininigin
09-11-2010, 15:22
Err...I never said the only people in their teens and 20's listen to drum 'n bass. All I know is the gigs Dope Ghost runs are not frequented by many people in their 40's, 50's or older. Also when I'm in HMV looking at vinyl the drum 'n bass section has people who look at least half my age browsing and no, I'm not 132.
If the majority of people going to drum 'n bass gigs and buying drum 'n bass vinyl are indeed middle aged then I bow to the knowledge of those deeply involved in the rave scene (which I'm not).
No your absolutly right a majority are young and not middle aged.As has happened with my friends you have kids get married and suddenly going to clubs and raves takes a back burner.
But for me,im not married have no kids so let the party continue :lolsign:
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