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about2
20-10-2010, 02:08
description is this for the Mike New bearing upgrade on auction by Dave Cawley. This is the bearing upgrade for Technics SL1200/1210's. See link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260679959753&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

And how much more evasive can one get with answers like those given to two inquiries? "Some would say it is defective, others would not". WTF. :goodluck:

Dave Cawley knows its condition so why not be up front and say so? It is either defective or it isn't. The strong implication is that one will be taking a risk buying this bearing but my bet is that it is perfectly OK as are the others he plans to sell.

So why the deception? To prevent cannibalized sales of his own inferior bearing? To take a cheap shot at Mike New by implying his bearings are defective? Or is it that he simply could not make enough money selling Mike New bearing upgrades? And knows he can't manufacture to the same quality? Probably. :violin:

The Grand Wazoo
20-10-2010, 06:36
Hi there, welcome to the Art of Sound.
Could I please draw your attention to this post (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=799) which describes the procedure that new members should follow on joining. We're not strict & bound by too many restrictive rules, but we do require a few simple things from new folks in order for the friendly atmosphere of the place to be maintained.

Thanks a lot & welcome once again.
Cheers

DSJR
20-10-2010, 06:51
If this bearing is won cheaply and proves to not be quite right, I'm sure Mike would sort it..

Marco
20-10-2010, 07:22
Hi Dave,

Our new member above is spot on, although he must as Chris says, pop into the Welcome area and introduce himself properly to our community :)

There's BUGGER ALL wrong with Mike's bearing. You know me, Dave, and how particular I am about these things - do you honestly think I'd be using one if it was in any way defective?? Why would I deliberately hobble my own turntable?

Dave C is quite simply pissing in the wind to cover his own ass (in that he is unable to produce a high-quality bearing or platter himself after telling everyone that he could), and attempting to hoodwink his (small) band of merry men into believing that he is some sort of 'guru'.

I've suspected that he didn't deserve that title for some time, and recent revelations have simply served to confirm this. It's now time others woke up and smelled the coffee.

Marco.

John
20-10-2010, 08:06
I think this is really sad that Dave would do this

Alex_UK
20-10-2010, 08:40
I suspect the final selling price will be a barometer as to the confidence in Mike's bearing - which may or may not be what Dave has intended, and he may or may not be surprised at the final price... At least a very deserving charity will get half of the proceeds, which is one positive out of this whole sorry (IMHO) episode.

colinB
20-10-2010, 08:49
What i cant get my head round is if there was a defect where is the problem in correcting it by a product recall or instructions sent to owners.
I think this could all have been easily avoided.

ourdogmax
20-10-2010, 09:00
I think Dave C, may just have shot himself in the foot.

chris@panteg
20-10-2010, 09:00
I would just like to point out ' why has the original op come on here with a new thread as his 1st post to stir things up a bit more '

We were all aware of Dave's auction ? i have been watching it myself , and no i don't care for the way he has conducted it ' but .....

Remember what i said about 'Troll's on the net ! .

This guy is clearly out to stir up the shite and have good laugh ' isn't it bloody obvious.

Marco
20-10-2010, 09:25
Hi Colin,


What i cant get my head round is if there was a defect where is the problem in correcting it by a product recall or instructions sent to owners.
I think this could all have been easily avoided.

That's quite simple. There was no need for a product recall because there was never anything wrong with the product!

The only "defect" was in the accuracy of the fable Dave Cawley has told people that Mike's bearings were 'seizing' in HOT climates (when we now know that physically cannot happen), and in his story that customers were returning those bearings to him.....

What he did was tell people that Mike's bearings for the SL-1200 were supposedly 'defective' in order to discredit him and protect his own interests, after they had fallen out when Mike resolutely refused to bow to Dave Cawley’s ridiculous and unreasonable demands (the profit margin he wanted, amongst other things) of their working relationship.

*That* was the real reason for their fallout, not any nonsense to do with Mike producing 'defective' bearings.

The MN bearings Dave C is currently selling on Ebay for 99p (or whatever) are not 'defective' - they are simply left over items of stock which Dave had and wants to get rid of now as their business relationship is terminated.

The hilarious thing is that Dave originally paid Mike $400 each for them, so Dave is now pissing his money down the drain...............!

To be honest, though, it's far more sad than funny because what Dave has done is utterly despicable :(

Like Alex correctly says though, at least a good charity will benefit. Bid high people, not only because the money is going to a good cause, but because you're buying one of the best made T/T bearings on the planet!

I kid you not.

Marco.

Stratmangler
20-10-2010, 09:32
Remember what i said about 'Troll's on the net ! .

This guy is clearly out to stir up the shite and have good laugh ' isn't it bloody obvious.

I certainly can't see his/her post count rising;)

colinB
20-10-2010, 09:36
If thats the case then im disappointed. I was thinking of bidding on the bearing but i will wait until i have enough funds for a new one. I work in retail and i dont agree with that.

Marco
20-10-2010, 09:36
Hi Chris,

Well, if 'about2' doesn't introduce himself or herself in the Welcome area soon, and prove they are genuine, then their account will simply be deleted.

However, we have to give him or her a chance to comply with that request first.

Marco.

chris@panteg
20-10-2010, 09:51
Hi Marco

Sorry if its a bit strong ' but i just feel someone is trying to provoke a certain response and i do hope i'm wrong ' but like Chris say's he may have bolted .

The Vinyl Adventure
20-10-2010, 09:53
i lieu of an appropriate emoticon i have made my own

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww282/hamish_gill/bargepole.jpg

Alex_UK
20-10-2010, 10:09
Very good Hamish (have you lost weight?;)) - I know exactly how you feel, and my (limited) posts on the subject have hopefully been non-partisan nor emotive. I have my own feelings on the subject, and as I said in the other thread I just think it is a very sad situation. I'm sure it will all blow over in time.

Marco
20-10-2010, 10:21
Indeed - and most importantly with Mike New's good reputation intact, as he has been the innocent victim in all of this.

Marco.

Welder
20-10-2010, 10:30
I donít wish to add further shit to the already spinning fan but is this the same Dave Cawley that recently took over WAD?

Marco
20-10-2010, 10:31
I've just noticed that Dave has pulled his bearing for sale on Ebay. Have a look, chaps: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=260679959753

That one was very easy to predict, as whoever bought the bearing would've discovered that:

A) It wasn't defective.

B) Once fitted to an SL-1200/1210, it was (significantly) sonically superior to the Timestep one.

...neither of which would've suited Dave's agenda.

Well done, Dave! :clap:

Shame about the charity, though........

Marco.

DSJR
20-10-2010, 10:34
The thing is that in these days of austerity and more cuts to come, trying to make a substantial markup in the specialised audio industry is infuriating to many, myself included. NZ$400 was around £200 wasn't it, so I suspect that doubling the selling price and adding VAT may have been considered ok, assuming the MN bearing was to have been around £500 from memory.

The Top End of uadio distribution/importation etc has been full of this for decades, but summat's got to give here...

Marco
20-10-2010, 10:34
Hi John,


I donít wish to add further shit to the already spinning fan but is this the same Dave Cawley that recently took over WAD?

The very one.

Marco.

Marco
20-10-2010, 10:38
Hi Dave,


The thing is that in these days of austerity and more cuts to come, trying to make a substantial markup in the specialised audio industry is infuriating to many, myself included. NZ$400 was around £200 wasn't it, so I suspect that doubling the selling price and adding VAT may have been considered ok, assuming the MN bearing was to have been around £500 from memory.

The Top End of uadio distribution/importation etc has been full of this for decades, but summat's got to give here...

You're not condoning Dave's blatant lies in public to discredit Mike and damage his good reputation, and thus his disgraceful behaviour in that respect, though I hope? This is rather serious, you know, and could become part of a libel case.

Marco.

DSJR
20-10-2010, 11:23
Not at all. A huge shame that this story should have occured though.

Marco
20-10-2010, 12:10
Indeed, but it just shows the integrity of the man, or rather the complete lack of any.

Marco.

about2
20-10-2010, 16:03
Greetings,
I have just posted in the welcome area in accordance with the forum rules.

My post starting this thread is not a troll. I just felt there is an unsavory attempt to discredit Mike New which I believe is not only unjustified but deplorable. I have purchased three Mike New bearing upgrades, all perfect.

I read elsewhere that someone reported a bearing leaked oil and degraded sonics within a short time (3-4 weeks) after installation. Nonsense! Even if the oil were to totally leak from the bearing over time, the oil is viscous and would still lubricate the bearing pressure pad for many more months. I think the oil leaking claim is a fabrication.

I sent a message to Dave, via his ebay auction and as expected, received a non answer. He has an agenda to advance his own cause but the tactics being used simply cast a dark cloud over his business acumen and character. My opinion, ymmv.

about2
20-10-2010, 16:16
Hi Marco,

I just checked from here in the US and it appears the auction is still "live"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260679959753&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Reid Malenfant
20-10-2010, 16:21
Yes, it looks like it got removed from Ebay.co.uk :scratch: As you say though it's still running on Ebay.com :eyebrows:

Clive
20-10-2010, 16:51
I really hope the bearing hasn't suffered an unfortunate accident which results in it being faulty. It's not brand new in an unopened box so whoever buys it can't be sure its provenance. Given that people are trying to "prove" points here (and it's a very unpleasant situation) I wouldn't rule anything out.

DSJR
20-10-2010, 17:00
Surely, all the winner has to do is to send it to Mike New for checking? May involve shipping costs and some time in transit, but there would be re-assurance that the bearing is actually fine.

Clive
20-10-2010, 17:03
Surely, all the winner has to do is to send it to Mike New for checking? May involve shipping costs and some time in transit, but there would be re-assurance that the bearing is actually fine.
I think we all know that the vendor is hoping someone will buy it and say it's knackered. If that is the case we can't know for sure why it's knackered. Whether or not the buyer ends up with a working bearing is just a side issue here in this stupid game.

Reid Malenfant
20-10-2010, 17:04
I really hope the bearing hasn't suffered an unfortunate accident which results in it being faulty. It's not brand new in an unopened box so whoever buys it can't be sure its provenance. Given that people are trying to "prove" points here (and it's a very unpleasant situation) I wouldn't rule anything out.
I have a feeling that as long as it turns freely it'll be alright, i know where you are coming from though Clive but i'm just not going to say what thoughts are going through my head :rolleyes:

Surely, all the winner has to do is to send it to Mike New for checking? May involve shipping costs and some time in transit, but there would be re-assurance that the bearing is actually fine.
I don't think it'd need checking if it turns smoothly Dave, think about it ;)

Alex_UK
20-10-2010, 17:09
The original auction (in this thread) is still there, and has been all along (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260679959753&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&afsrc=1#ht_589wt_881) - it is not the same auction Marco has linked to as being pulled - was there 2?

The Vinyl Adventure
20-10-2010, 17:19
... I have one comment ...
The consensus is that dave is shit kicking ....
Is there much gain in kicking it back ...
I really don't care what people get up to, I'm not one to pass judgement, why bother? It only serves to exacerbate things

Please don't accuse me of "taking sides"... I really don't give a toss, I just think that the people involved should perhaps be left to sort it out there self ...

Shot stiring and gossip are never productive, even taking sides seems to get you in a hole...

My suggestion to people not involved directly is to borrow my barge pole and don't touch it with or on anything :)

All typed as always with respect and the best interest o te forum and it's members involved :)

frogspit
20-10-2010, 17:20
At least a very deserving charity will get half of the proceeds, which is one positive out of this whole sorry (IMHO) episode.

I'm not sure there's any guarantee that said charity would actually receive the funds. Sounds great on the surface though.

Clive
20-10-2010, 17:31
... I have one comment ...
The consensus is that dave is shit kicking ....
Is there much gain in kicking it back ...
I really don't care what people get up to, I'm not one to pass judgement, why bother? It only serves to exacerbate things

Please don't accuse me of "taking sides"... I really don't give a toss, I just think that the people involved should perhaps be left to sort it out there self ...

Shot stiring and gossip are never productive, even taking sides seems to get you in a hole...

My suggestion to people not involved directly is to borrow my barge pole and don't touch it with or on anything :)

All typed as always with respect and the best interest o te forum and it's members involved :)
Hamish, that's more than one comment.....and it's no Shot stiring or even Shit stirring :)

When these things are played out publicly I see no problem with some controlled comment about what's going on. Maybe some people think this an innocent auction. The auction is such a blatant and public action that ups the ante. If you don't want to talk, don't join (or start!) a forum - but comments do need to be kept civil IMO. But we all have our own views.....

Marco
20-10-2010, 18:28
Hi Hamish,


... I have one comment ...
The consensus is that dave is shit kicking ....
Is there much gain in kicking it back ...


Dave Cawley is not "shit kicking" - it is much more serious than that. This is out-and-out libel and slander, carried out with the sole intention of ruining someone's business in order to seek financial gain, which is a WHOLE different ball game!!


I really don't care what people get up to, I'm not one to pass judgement, why bother? It only serves to exacerbate things


That's hardly a responsible attitude. So you don't care about the lies Dave Cawley has perpetrated with the sole intention of damaging Mike New's reputation in order to seek financial gain, and the implications this could've had on his livelihood??

It's not a matter of 'passing judgement'. It's about exposing a charlatan in the industry, which in my position as owner of an Internet site full of audio enthusiasts and potential customers of his, I consider as my duty.

For your information, and that of everyone else, I have been given actual evidence, that I cannot disclose here, which PROVES that Dave Cawley was intending to rip off Mike New's bearing when they were both still supposed business partners!!!

Just what sort of low-life scumbag does that???


Please don't accuse me of "taking sides"... I really don't give a toss, I just think that the people involved should perhaps be left to sort it out there self ...


No chance. Dave Cawley's 'misdemeanours' will continue to be brought into the public domain on AoS, as people deserve to know exactly what this man is capable of. There's no way he is going to get away with what he has done.

With due respect, Hamish, and I'm going to be very frank with you here, it's high time you took off those rose-tinted specs and picked the splinters out of your arse from all that fence sitting, when it comes to Dave Cawley, and woke up and realised what a snide and devious character he is, as from the evidence I've seen, the man can do no wrong in your eyes...... :rolleyes:

Others here also come into the same category. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid this has to be said, as the toadying to DC I've seen recently on his forum by certain parties, despite the despicable way he's treated Mike New, who is the ONLY victim here, makes me sick to my gut. I guess those who lack balls, though, will always simply look after their own selfish interests.....

Hamish, you know full well the conversation you've had today with Anthony TD, and how DC was caught red-handed yet again bad-mouthing other people at the recent Whittlebury Hall hi-fi show, namely Anthony and Paul Hynes, to protect his commercial interests and give people in the industry the impression that he’s some sort of 'guru' (what a joke!) These things always have a habit of coming back and biting you on the arse, though, as the hi-fi world is a very small one.......................... ;)

And on top of that, in an email he once sent to Mike New, DC referred to both Anthony and Paul as, I quote: "chancers". I can publish the email here for everyone’s perusal, if necessary. Chancers, indeed!! There's only one bloody 'chancer' I know of and he lives in Dartmouth. This man thinks he can bad-mouth people with impunity, well in that respect he got a very rude awakening!

Did Anthony (or Paul) deserve that treatment, especially from someone who could no more design a piece of audio equipment than find a hard-on in a nunnery? What harm had either of them done to Dave Cawley?

I presume you know that it's Alex Nitikin, and not Dave Cawley, who designs all the Timestep PSUs, despite the latter taking all the credit for it?

So what's it going to take, mate, for you to see that DC is simply a liar and a money grabbing parasite? Does he have to put his hand in your back pocket and remove your wallet before you eventually realise it??

You may have had nothing but good experiences of Dave Cawley, and so it's hard for you to feel anything but good towards him, I understand that, but that's what shysters like him do best - gain your confidence and respect so they can fleece you for as much as they can get. Spare a thought here instead for Mike New!

You really do need to wake up and smell the coffee, as far as DC is concerned, and I’m saying this with the best of intentions.


My suggestion to people not involved directly is to borrow my barge pole and don't touch it with or on anything


My suggestion is for quite the opposite. I would like more people such as Doug to come forward and offer their thoughts on this disgraceful situation, based on having used Mike New's bearings and thus knowing of their true quality, so that as much information as possible is presented to ensure that Dave Cawley receives the comeuppance he so richly deserves.

I apologise to everyone for the rant, but this whole thing has made my blood boil, and it had to be said.

Marco.

Clive
20-10-2010, 18:42
Hamish, having been a part-time reviewer of UK cottage industry products since the 80's I know what's going on here....it happens loads and is sick (in the old fashioned meaning of the word). I'm not as forthright as Marco but we're on the same wavelength.

Alex Nikitin
20-10-2010, 18:50
I presume you know that it's Alex Nitikin, and not Dave Cawley, who designs all the Timestep PSUs, despite the latter taking all the credit for it?

Marco, I would like to put things straight on two counts:

1) My surname is Nikitin.

2) I did not design any of Timestep products. What I do is sold under A.N.T. Audio name.

Alex

(back to watching this ridiculous spectactle. Need more popcorn! :lol: )

Marco
20-10-2010, 19:25
Hi Alex,

Sorry for misspelling your name. Normally, I don't get it wrong.

As for the other thing, I'm sorry, but I have it good authority to the contrary. I can say no more on the subject.

It's your prerogative though to deny it.

Marco.

Alex Nikitin
20-10-2010, 19:30
Hi Alex,

Sorry for misspelling your name. Normally, I don't get it wrong.

As for the other thing, I'm sorry, but I have it good authority to the contrary. I can say no more on that subject.

It's your prerogative though to deny it.

Marco.

Marco, ROTFL, I should now what I did design and what not :lol: . Sorry - if all your information in this thread is of this kind of a "good authority" quality, I seriously pity you. Somebody was/is feeding you rubbish. I will say no more :rolleyes: .

Cheers

Alex

Marco
20-10-2010, 19:36
Hi Alex,

Well, as Dave C probably has just about the technical nous to wire a 13A plug, who other than you then is designing the Timestep electronics? ;)

Marco.

Alex Nikitin
20-10-2010, 19:48
Hi Alex,

Well, as Dave C probably has just about the technical nous to wire a 13A plug, who other than you then is designing the Timestep electronics? ;)

Marco.

Marco, when you write things like this, it is plain silly, sorry. You obviously trying to be a judge in things you have very little or no knowledge about. I only posted my first message in this thread to correct what was obviously a misprint and a misinformation. I accept your apologies for the first and see no reason to be engaged in a discussion on the second. I can only repeat for you one more time: I did not design any products for Timestep. I don't like to be accused of lying.

Alex

Marco
20-10-2010, 19:57
Hi Alex,

Your reaction is actually quite telling, as you haven't categorically said that it's no-one else but Dave who designs it, as I expected you would...... ;)

I'm not accusing you of lying. I'm simply saying that as Dave quite clearly doesn't have the technical ability to design electronics, then someone else is obviously doing it for him.

As you're his best buddy, the logical conclusion is therefore that it's you, and indeed this is what I've been told. However, if you're flatly denying it is you, then I will of course respect that.

I will say no more on the subject.

Marco.

Alex Nikitin
20-10-2010, 20:11
Hi Alex,

Your reaction is actually quite telling, as you haven't categorically said that it's Dave himeself who designs it, as I expected you would............. ;)

I'm not accusing you of lying. I'm simply saying that as Dave quite clearly doesn't have the technical ability to design electronics, then someone else is obviously doing it for him.

As you're his best buddy, the logical conclusion is therefore that it's you, and indeed this is what I've been told. However, if you're flatly denying it is you, then I will of course respect that.

I will say no more on the subject.

Marco.

Marco,

I now regret that I've posted here. You are wrong on most counts. FYI, Dave is a qualified electronics engineer with many years of experience in electronics design. He can certainly design things much more complex than a power supply and he is good at measuring and evaluating electronics. And I know a good engineer when I see one. What you've just posted - twice - is a slander, and also shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Alex

Marco
20-10-2010, 20:20
And what Dave Cawley has said about Mike New's bearings, Alex, isn't slander????

Or doesn't that count because he is your buddy?

How can a proper engineer, of ANY type of discipline, not know that a turntable bearing CANNOT seize at 45 RPM due to heat? :lol: :mental:


You are wrong on most counts.


So what counts am I right on??

The fact is your buddy has made a total arse of himself during this whole sorry debacle, and has now lost all professional credibility. I therefore suggest that you bow gracefully out of this thread and leave it there!

Marco.

Alex Nikitin
20-10-2010, 20:29
And what Dave Cawley has said about Mike New's bearings, Alex, isn't slander????

Or doesn't that count because Dave is your buddy?

How can a proper engineer, of ANY type of discipline, not know that a turntable bearing CANNOT seize at 45 RPM due to heat? :lol: :mental:


You are wrong on most counts.


So what counts am I right on??

The fact is your buddy has made a total arse of himself during this whole sorry debacle, and has now lost all professional credibility. I therefore suggest that you bow gracefully out of this thread and leave it there!

Marco.

Marco, you have your little vendetta against Dave and I don't think he needs my help in this respect - he's a big boy. So I will not be engaged in any discussion on that matter. For me the situation is quite clear and I am sure that in time it will be clear to all parties and observers. Till then - good bye!

;)

Alex

Marco
20-10-2010, 20:34
For me the situation is quite clear and I am sure that in time it will be clear to all parties and observers.


Indeed it will, Alex, when Dave gets sued by Mike for every penny he's got for attempting to steal his designs ;)

As they say in your neck of the woods, do svidaniya!

Marco.

Marco
20-10-2010, 23:54
Greetings,
I have just posted in the welcome area in accordance with the forum rules.

My post starting this thread is not a troll. I just felt there is an unsavory attempt to discredit Mike New which I believe is not only unjustified but deplorable. I have purchased three Mike New bearing upgrades, all perfect.

I read elsewhere that someone reported a bearing leaked oil and degraded sonics within a short time (3-4 weeks) after installation. Nonsense! Even if the oil were to totally leak from the bearing over time, the oil is viscous and would still lubricate the bearing pressure pad for many more months. I think the oil leaking claim is a fabrication.

I sent a message to Dave, via his ebay auction and as expected, received a non answer. He has an agenda to advance his own cause but the tactics being used simply cast a dark cloud over his business acumen and character. My opinion, ymmv.

And let's keep that astute observation of Doug's at the forefront of our minds.....

Hey, Chris, so much for Doug being a troll. I think you owe him an apology!


I think the oil leaking claim is a fabrication.


That's almost beyond question.

Marco.

chris@panteg
21-10-2010, 00:10
yes i aplogise Doug no hard feelings ' but Marco i think you should also to Hamish and especially Alex ' pretty poor M8

Marco
21-10-2010, 00:52
If Hamish or Alex would like me to apologise to them, then I will gladly do so :)

However, as far as Hamish is concerned, he would (I hope) have known where I was coming from and the friendly spirit with which what I said was intended, even though I was rather 'robust', as he knows me pretty well and what kind of person I am.

I simply felt that he was allowing the wool to be pulled over his eyes, and that at some point in future some unscrupulous person may have taken advantage of this, and I wouldn't want that to happen.

Marco.

Mike_New
21-10-2010, 07:26
Folks,

Please read this carefully.

I can only make one observation, which intuition should confirm to all of you following this saga and who may be bidding for a bargain.

As has been admitted on this forum, his own forum and elsewhere; Cawley has attempted to produce his own quality bearing and platter and has failed miserably. He would no doubt have hawked my bearing (and platter) around to prospective manufacturers. Surely those people would have wanted to look inside to see what makes it work. In doing so, would they not have wanted to take my bearing apart!!!!!

I can see from the enlarged image of my bearing on Ebay that the bottom of the bearing seems to have been removed at one time.

How do I know this? Look at the gap line around the bottom of the bearing. After I seal the bottom oil cavity with three tensile bolts, I then machine the whole base to provide an aesthetic and finished surface, such that the join line does not show as it does in the image.

If the bearing has been disassembled then Cawley would not have been able to refill the bearing oil cavity with my ‘super extreme pressure oil’ because he does not have any and never requested it! What he does have; is the thinner oil, supplied by me, which is used for the top spindle lubrication.

I cannot make any comment on what condition they may be in.

Indeed Cawley is offering them for parts or not working!! The whole point of this exercise is to get at me for the simple reason, as Marco has astutely observed that, like a spoilt child, he could not get his own way.

For obvious reasons I cannot offer any guarantee or warranty as I simply do not have any information on what type of life cycle they have been subjected to if any. They may have been used in deepest Africa and totally seized with the heat!!!!! ;)

However, to demonstrate my loyalty to those who may acquire one, I will check them out and revalidate them for the small fee of $65.00 including a new supply of special synthetic oil, providing the return postage is prepaid by the buyer. (Sydney to UK $35.00)

But do not pay too much for them, as all you will be doing is dancing to Cawley’s song book, the giving to Cancer is just the cheap gimmick it is.

In a very practical sense Cawley is doing me a favour. In sales and marketing, the rate of sales tends to be proportional to the size of your customer base.

So those folks who are now buying my bearings are going to be the banner wavers of tomorrow promoting even greater sales of my upgrades and getting the best High Precision Bearing to boot!!!!

All I ask is that when you win, you sing the first verse of Waltzing Matilda with your head between your knees and facing Dartmouth :lol:

And never use them at speeds exceeding 22-1/4 rpm or in temperatures exceeding 5degC or they will totally seize up and become red hot, showering sparks and molten metal all over Grandma!!!!

The Vinyl Adventure
21-10-2010, 09:53
If Hamish or Alex would like me to apologise to them, then I will gladly do so :)

However, as far as Hamish is concerned, he would (I hope) have known where I was coming from and the friendly spirit with which what I said was intended, even though I was rather 'robust', as he knows me pretty well and what kind of person I am.

I simply felt that he was allowing the wool to be pulled over his eyes, and that at some point in future some unscrupulous person may have taken advantage of this, and I wouldn't want that to happen.

Marco.

heh, there is no need to apologise to me ...
although it wasnt even aimed at you marco as such

that said, i think it is pretty evident that mike is capable of looking after him self

you have kind of proved my point though marco, casting aspersions based on hearsay often leads to more conflict (ref alex) ... and the reality of the situation seems to me that making derogatory comments about dave just puts you in the same light as you perceive him to be in.

as i said, i dont care how dave chooses to run his business... it seems this hifi industry is fairly cut throat, he is his own responsibility and if he chooses to do things that in some peoples eyes damaging to other peoples business... i still say it is for those people (in this case mike) to take issue ... taking sides without knowing all of the facts (accurate ones that is, not hearsay) from both sides is more often than not damaging to all parties in the long run.

i still refuse to pass judgement on any party involved, i have a nice cushion on my fence that shields me from the splinters... and the fence its self is on a nice high hill giving me a good 360 degrees of perspective...

this all said i know how you feel about feeling you need to "protect" your members and all that .... i just wonder if you do your self and forum more harm than good .... but hey, its not my forum, and thats a key point here ... its just that bloody barge pole has such and attractive patina i just feel the need to touch it and as soon as its in my hand i just start prodding it at stuff... i need a twelve step plan to wean me off it! first step, take note of the past hamish .... no one really listens to you anyway ;)



oh and marco, im not stupid, im perfectly capable of looking after my own affairs and judgements ... im also happy to make my own mistakes and learn from them ... you dont need to worry about "some unscrupulous person" taking advantage of me ... you are the forum owner ... not my dad ;)
my glasses are perhaps slightly rose tinted, i like to look for the best in people... is that such a crime? ... its quite funny actually over on RPF im constantly getting jip for making my photos slightly pink toned ... quite the irony ...


Hamish has a dark, and pink, fetish at the moment - probably time of life or something! LOL
http://www.realphotographersforum.com/threads/626-Fungi-Mushrooms?highlight=pink

The Vinyl Adventure
21-10-2010, 09:55
Hamish, that's more than one comment.....and it's no Shot stiring or even Shit stirring :)

see if you can work this one out ... "tooser!"
(in the interests of keeping the piece that is definitely a joke and meant in the lightest possible way)

Clive
21-10-2010, 10:12
see if you can work this one out ... "tooser!"
(in the interests of keeping the piece that is definitely a joke and meant in the lightest possible way)
well you can keep your "piece", I'll go for "peace" - indeed I don't want to know about your piece! :eek:

The Vinyl Adventure
21-10-2010, 10:20
well you can keep your "piece", I'll go for "peace" - indeed I don't want to know about your piece! :eek:

:lolsign: brilliant ...

Marco
21-10-2010, 10:53
Hi Hamish,

Lol - very good! :lol:

Just to correct you on one point though:


you have kind of proved my point though marco, casting aspersions based on hearsay often leads to more conflict (ref alex) ... and the reality of the situation seems to me that making derogatory comments about dave just puts you in the same light as you perceive him to be in.


I have evidence, admissable in a court of law, of Dave Cawley's various 'misdemeanours', so please don't 'cast aspertions', mate, on matters you know little about ;)

Oh, and next time if you announce to the whole world in cartoon-captured graphics of how you're NOT going to touch a particular discussion with a bargepole, please keep to your promise......! :eyebrows:

On that note, I enjoyed the hilarity of your post as it has helped defuse a rather stressful and quite serious situation :cool:

Marco.

The Vinyl Adventure
21-10-2010, 11:06
i didnt technically touch the situation ... i just commented on this type of situationas a whole ... i have taken no side or commented on any thing specific ... thats my stance and il stand by it ... heh ;) ... ill leave it there i think :) ... glad to have eased the tension for you a little bit marco

Marco
21-10-2010, 11:09
No worries, mate, but I would strongly advise that in future you stay completely out of any discussions involving Dodgy Dave, as it will likely only make the situation worse.

Cheers! :cool:

Marco.

Marco
21-10-2010, 12:27
So those folks who are now buying my bearings are going to be the banner wavers of tomorrow promoting even greater sales of my upgrades and getting the best High Precision Bearing to boot!!!!

All I ask is that when you win, you sing the first verse of Waltzing Matilda with your head between your knees and facing Dartmouth...


Feckin' hilarious! :D :rofl:

Shall I hum the beginning?

Marco (who's just soiled his Playtex panties).

bigmoog
22-10-2010, 09:28
so, after all this, when I decide the time is right.....who do I buy a Jelco tonearm from and who do I turn to when I decide to try a 1210 in a 'audiophile' setting and not as a techno DJ deck used in a sweating heaving ecstasy and miaow miaow atmosphere.....i love a party with a happy atmosphere :eyebrows:

DSJR
22-10-2010, 09:34
You buy the Techie and tonearm from eBay, the better arm-base base from the gent here and go with the flow regarding everything else according to taste and loyalties :)

bigmoog
22-10-2010, 09:44
You buy the Techie and tonearm from eBay, the better arm-base base from the gent here and go with the flow regarding everything else according to taste and loyalties :)


Thanks Dave, but I was Joking...I have a 1210 (in storage) :eyebrows::eyebrows:

colinB
22-10-2010, 12:28
You buy the Techie and tonearm from eBay, the better arm-base base from the gent here and go with the flow regarding everything else according to taste and loyalties :)

Better arm-base??
Have i missed something.

YNWaN
22-10-2010, 12:53
Four threads up from this one: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7359

Alex_UK
22-10-2010, 13:06
Shuugie's Custom Arm Mounting Collar for Jelco SA-750 (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7359) perhaps?

EDIT: took too long, Mark beat me to it - but don't worry Martin, you won't need one!

colinB
22-10-2010, 14:07
Sounds a great idea. A very clunky design that i have had problems with.
I have the 250 arm though.

DSJR
22-10-2010, 16:57
Thanks Dave, but I was Joking...I have a 1210 (in storage) :eyebrows::eyebrows:

Oh I don't know, you ought to get the techie out as penance for ruining your Mentor and using the chrome thing - how vulgar :ner:

bigmoog
22-10-2010, 20:07
Oh I don't know, you ought to get the techie out as penance for ruining your Mentor and using the chrome thing - how vulgar :ner:


you are right dave :)

and to fettle my chrome vulgarity I have to go to the angling centre to buy fishing line for the thread drive :doh:

:cool:

Spectral Morn
22-10-2010, 21:52
System: Superficial Engineering hell/p12 turntable, yosushi wasabi cartridge, STI Klinik mkV tonearm, wagamumma head amplifier, intelligence quotient 161 (mensa) preamplifier with 24 NOS Ssangyong ECC88s and GZ34s, barelyaudible research V.P.L. quad mono amplifiers with modified circuit boards (MDF), Sonic Fable Vermicelli MKIII Loudspeakers, liquidity in viscosity cable loom, hysterical research and Dr Mike Amera room treatments

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lolsign: That's brilliant :) Bigmoog


Regards D S D L

Ali Tait
22-10-2010, 22:04
Hahahahha that's brilliant!!

sonddek
22-10-2010, 22:47
I bought a Mike New bearing from Dave a while back. I had to return it as one of the bolt holes was in the wrong place. The debit card refund must have cost Dave a few bob. At that point he stopped selling them. Just one more data point.

DSJR
23-10-2010, 11:36
System: Superficial Engineering hell/p12 turntable, yosushi wasabi cartridge, STI Klinik mkV tonearm, wagamumma head amplifier, intelligence quotient 161 (mensa) preamplifier with 24 NOS Ssangyong ECC88s and GZ34s, barelyaudible research V.P.L. quad mono amplifiers with modified circuit boards (MDF), Sonic Fable Vermicelli MKIII Loudspeakers, liquidity in viscosity cable loom, hysterical research and Dr Mike Amera room treatments

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lolsign: That's brilliant :) Bigmoog


Regards D S D L

Sounds great playing marinaTe genDer, of which I'm an occasional contributer :ner:

May the Froese be with you all.....;)

MartinT
23-10-2010, 11:38
May the Froese be with you all.....;)

A Tangerine Froese?

DSJR
23-10-2010, 11:50
Oh yes indeedy :)

I felt so grumpy yesterday and didn't know why. A good dose of Ricochet restored my equilibrium :lol:

bigmoog
23-10-2010, 12:02
Oh yes indeedy :)

I felt so grumpy yesterday and didn't know why. A good dose of Ricochet restored my equilibrium :lol:

great lp


:)


I am in the process of upgrading my hell/p12 with the new superficial bearing* (its from a set of skateboard wheels from 1977)....just gotta wait for the factory to nick a deck from a youff at the skatepark


*also have to clean my STI tonearm.....it seems to have developed a weird rash :scratch:

DSJR
23-10-2010, 13:29
:D

:respect:

drrd
23-10-2010, 13:38
I also bought a MN from Dave a while back which had misplaced mounting holes. You definitely couldnt fit this correctly without doing some work on it. I got a replacement which has been fine. I emailed Mike who said Dave hadn't contacted him about it at all so basically it's still with Dave. Dave may well be being honest (if evasive), the used bearings he's selling may well have faults. If the one on Ebay is the one I returned it wouldnt be very useful without modification. Maybe Mike will help out if there is an issue with these Ebay bearings? It would be a shame to see them not put to good use, bit of a sorry situation really.

Joe
23-10-2010, 15:43
From 'Our Ethos'


Things we don't like here:

Defamatory comments about any manufacturers or dealers.

DSJR
23-10-2010, 20:05
I also bought a MN from Dave a while back which had misplaced mounting holes. You definitely couldnt fit this correctly without doing some work on it. I got a replacement which has been fine. I emailed Mike who said Dave hadn't contacted him about it at all so basically it's still with Dave. Dave may well be being honest (if evasive), the used bearings he's selling may well have faults. If the one on Ebay is the one I returned it wouldnt be very useful without modification. Maybe Mike will help out if there is an issue with these Ebay bearings? It would be a shame to see them not put to good use, bit of a sorry situation really.

I'm sure that if there's a manufacturing defect, then Mike would replace the faulty part at least, if not the whole thing. I do appreciate Mike charging a fairly modest fee for re-authorising a used but otherwise "correct" bearing though.

Mike_New
24-10-2010, 01:38
To Dave R and all others:--
I have never received any returned bearings as being faulty, (either from my own customers which are now many) or from Mr. Cawley.
Obviously if that had occurred, then they would have been replaced free of charge and at my cost.
More importantly, I would have had an opportunity to determine what had gone wrong in the manufacturing process, if anything, and to have further improve the bearing. I cannot imagine why I would not want to retain my reputation for supplying a quality product.

Obviously, if these units have been returned and find their way onto Ebay, then that is the responsibility of those concerned not mine.

However, if anyone is unfortunate to score the ‘jackpot’ in this regard, then I will replace the unit for a new one, under the same conditions as my previous offer.

Reid Malenfant
25-10-2010, 17:23
£230.00 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260679959753&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

colinB
25-10-2010, 17:31
The first bidder was sniped at the last second, poor guy.

DSJR
25-10-2010, 18:41
Well, that's ok, as a new "virgin" one can probably be procured for not much more, directly from Mike :)

Mike_New
27-10-2010, 04:50
DSJR
I don't do virgins!!!!

DSJR
27-10-2010, 11:22
Ummm, You deflower them first I take it? :D

There is actually a job in Guam I understand where men are employed to "deflower" virgins prior to marriage....

Hypnotoad
31-10-2010, 16:16
I realize that Dave C. has bills to pay like anyone else but I have noticed for some time that he is or has turned into a typical "ruthless" business man, he is trying to protect his bottom line. And will say or do anything to accomplish this. It's sad as he has had a great following from you guys and seems to have lost that.

But that's what happens when you put profit ahead of all else.

Marco
31-10-2010, 19:28
Hi Phillip,


I realize that Dave C. has bills to pay like anyone else but I have noticed for some time that he is or has turned into a typical "ruthless" business man, he is trying to protect his bottom line. And will say or do anything to accomplish this. It's sad as he has had a great following from you guys and seems to have lost that.

But that's what happens when you put profit ahead of all else.

Indeed, and it's interesting that as a neutral observer you can see this. How many others, I wonder, will also?

As everyone knows, AoS and I used to champion DC's Technics T/T modifications (and him) to the hilt, as he convinced me he was a genuine person who was in it because he had a passion for getting the most from the inherently superb design of the SL-1200/1210.

No doubt that's still true to an extent, but unfortunately once he sussed there was a sizable (and significantly profitable) market for the sales of his T/T modifications, then 'greed for gold' sadly took over....... The Mike New saga sickened me to my gut, as I abhor dishonesty.

Ultimately, now knowing his true modus operandi, and having had dealings with him for some time, Mr Cawley is much more a ruthless salesman (note I haven't used the word 'businessman') than an enthusiast, which doesn't augur well for long-term success in an industry where having a 'people first' attitude to business ultimately pays the biggest dividends.

Profit comes naturally as a by-product from first and foremost looking after the best interests of your customers, not viewing your customers as merely Dollar (or Pound) signs. Dave unfortunately sees his customers as 'punters', not people, with the inevitable consequences.

Marco.

Marco
01-11-2010, 13:37
Guys,

I've just found a very interesting discussion on Audio Asylum about Mr Cawley, which I thought I'd include here for your perusal:

http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=vinyl&m=934386

I couldn't help but snigger at this comment from VynylTap:


I've dealt with him a few times. He's about as difficult and odd a person as you could ever meet. I wouldn't buy a pack of gum from him, much less any turntable parts...

That made me spit out the Chianti I was slurping with my afternoon pasta! :lol: :lol:

So true, though.

The whole thread is a rather entertaining read, so enjoy! We get a mention too, which is nice, and shows how quickly word spreads ;)

Marco.

snapper
01-11-2010, 13:47
Guys,

I've just found a very interesting discussion on Audio Asylum about Mr Cawley,

Marco.

'Cough'.

Marco
01-11-2010, 13:48
Sorry, do you want the credit for it? :)

Ok, Snapper sent me the link!

All comments on the thread on VA are welcome........ I think I'll sign up there and add a few thoughts - well it'd be rude not to :eyebrows:

Marco.

snapper
01-11-2010, 13:50
Sorry, do you want the credit for it? :)

Ok, Snapper sent me the link!

Marco.


:cool:

:lolsign:

MartinT
01-11-2010, 14:15
I've been on Audio Asylum for years and there are occasionally some good threads worth reading. The search facility is powerful if you're looking for opinions on a specific component. However, it is also full of extremely ignorant and opinionated dirge that you have to wade through and ultimately I found it exceedingly tedious.

Marco
01-11-2010, 14:28
Hi Martin,

Well I've registered there and asked if anyone would like more info on 'Cawleygate', so we'll see what happens ;)

Marco.

MartinT
01-11-2010, 15:34
I've added a post. We'll do a double-act ;)

Reid Malenfant
01-11-2010, 15:48
Hi Martin,

Well I've registered there and asked if anyone would like more info on 'Cawleygate', so we'll see what happens ;)

Marco.


I've added a post. We'll do a double-act ;)
Well come on then guys, spread to love & give us a link so we can all follow the conversation :eyebrows:

MartinT
01-11-2010, 15:56
Here:
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=vinyl&m=934386

Reid Malenfant
01-11-2010, 16:02
Cheers Martin ;)

I'll copy that into a new browser window so it doesn't look like it's coming from here :idea:

E2A:- Oh well, no point in doing that as you gave full disclosure :lol:

MartinT
01-11-2010, 17:29
E2A:- Oh well, no point in doing that as you gave full disclosure :lol:

I did? :scratch:

Marco
01-11-2010, 17:30
I've added a post. We'll do a double-act ;)

Hahahaha... No worries, matey - seems dead as a dodo that place, though!

That's the problem with some of these sites; huge memberships but precious little participation. VE is often the same...

It makes you realise how good this place is in the grand scheme of things!

Marco.

Reid Malenfant
01-11-2010, 17:38
I did? :scratch:
Hi Martin, what i mean't was both you & Marco announced on the thread where you were from, well maybe not yourself...

As there might have been a shitstorm i thought i'd open a seperate browser window so as not to link directly from here, but as it happens i haven't heard a fart on there yet :lol:

Apologies for confusing you :)

MartinT
01-11-2010, 17:41
As there might have been a shitstorm

I do hope not, I'm only interested in helping people who are interested in Mike's products :)

Marco
01-11-2010, 17:43
Indeed; and to make sure the truth gets out there as much as possible in case there's anyone daft enough to believe how Cawley's spinning the tale! ;)

Marco.

Reid Malenfant
01-11-2010, 17:49
I do hope not, I'm only interested in helping people who are interested in Mike's products :)
As i'm 100% sure you are Martin, I couldn't guage other peoples reactions though & knowing how there can often be cross forum problems (take it from me that i have seen it more than enough times :doh:) i thought i'd play it safe & open a new browser window ;)

There is method in my madness :eyebrows:

& back to the bearing :)

Chivas
01-11-2010, 21:59
I am busy reading a book that I cannot put down. I arranged my whole day so that I could have an early night and spend it reading with some background music. I thought let me quickly check what's up on AoS and came across this thread. It was much better than my book and I nearly wet my bed a few times. Cheers for a thoroughly entertaining evening. I thought this day would come... http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?p=70914&highlight=chivas#post70914

PS. Another auction, not getting any better ("It has been said that Mike New the designer will refurbish/replace at a nominal cost. You need to check this before biding and make sure that it will be OK. I cannot be held responsible at all."). This guy is in a class of his own... hope he's not married, poor wife must be seriously embarrased!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mike-New-SL-1200-SL-1210-bearing_W0QQitemZ260683217635QQcategoryZ48648QQcmd ZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDL SL%252BSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252 BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D8%26pmod%3D260679959753%252B 260679959753%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D456923539 9583618461

John
01-11-2010, 22:14
Just makes me so angry :steam:

Mike_New
01-11-2010, 22:52
Marco,
You can try and re-sign up for me if you would. I was a member but now it would seem that I have been barred/banned or whatever without ever being informed.

Marco
02-11-2010, 10:27
Where are we talking about, Mike?

Marco.

Mike_New
02-11-2010, 11:05
Marco,
I was talking about VE, somehow the post got out of phase with the general theme of the thread.

DSJR
02-11-2010, 12:25
Why do they all need to be dismantled and re-oiled? I thought the bearing was pre-loaded and sealed from new.

Clive
02-11-2010, 12:38
Why do they all need to be dismantled and re-oiled? I thought the bearing was pre-loaded and sealed from new.
By "all" do you mean all the ones DC is selling? If so then this will be because these bearings may have been taken apart and touted around machine shops - at least one of them will have been from what I can tell.

Mike_New
03-11-2010, 09:06
Chivas,
Do not be concerned on my behalf although I appreciate it; about what Cawley is trying to do to me, his vindictiveness knows no bounds. A study of my emails shows that he probably had about three to four units in stock when he quickly discovered that I had no intention of bowing to his will!!! He no doubt will continue his silly games on Ebay until eventually he gets tired of it. To a large extent it is providing me with free advertising, as I am receiving an increased number of requests for delivery dates and orders, on both bearings and Platters. When you buy the bearing from Cawley I would suggest that you request the installation instructions and see what the reaction is!!!!! Do not install the bearing without reading the installation Instructions. My offer to support all bearings still stands and can be found elsewhere on this forum.

Haselsh1
03-11-2010, 14:18
Dave C is quite simply pissing in the wind to cover his own ass (in that he is unable to produce a high-quality bearing or platter himself after telling everyone that he could), and attempting to hoodwink his (small) band of merry men into believing that he is some sort of 'guru'.
Marco.

This whole 'guru' thing really does smack of the hero worship/Peter Belt thing that existed all of those years ago. I'm sure most hi-fi folk out there see this for what it really is.

Marco
03-11-2010, 14:33
Hi Shaun,

Quite simply, the man has an ego the size of the Albert Hall, and it's a fragile one at that, which when one doesn't consider it justified or warranted to stroke or pander to it, is what makes one's relationship with Mr Cawley somewhat 'tempestuous'.... ;)

He wants to be recognised as 'da man', whereas after his latest antics he's more recognised for being 'da clown'.

Marco.

DSJR
03-11-2010, 16:57
The biggest ego's in fairly recent times belonged to Ivor T (Linn) and possibly the late Julian V for a while, until Ivor stomped all over it... Absolutely convinced that theirs was the only way (unless you caught Ivor off guard over dinner, but even then..:)). At the time, I reckon certain people at Quad were the same in an opposite direction (not Peter Walker, but one or two of his key design folk, as I suspect PW was increasingly taking a back seat then, in the late 70's).

Some of us have been around so long in this industry history is coming to repeat itself, but please don't think that AOS is the sole outlet for Techie tweaks, it's a big wide world out there...

Marco
03-11-2010, 16:58
Nope, not at all. AoS is one of many, but a somewhat significant and influential one for our size - and of course we're growing all the time (and at a pretty fast rate)! ;)

Marco.

DSJR
03-11-2010, 17:11
Marco, do you know that I'm being thought of as one of your "disciples," such is your iron grip, in the same way you joked about me and a purveyor of active speakers with DAC's built in??????

Marco
03-11-2010, 17:13
By whom? Dodgy Dave, 'The Naked Emperor'?

Marco

hifi_dave
04-11-2010, 20:40
I notice that the bearings have been re-listed on E-Bay.

colinB
04-11-2010, 20:47
Watched the last won go an hour ago for £102. Looked like a snipe software jobbie.

Marco
04-11-2010, 21:17
I notice that the bearings have been re-listed on E-Bay.

As a respected member of the trade, Dave, what do you make of Cawley's disgraceful shenanigans?

PM me your thoughts if you like :)

Marco.

DSJR
04-11-2010, 21:23
:sofa:

Marco
04-11-2010, 21:25
;)

chris@panteg
05-11-2010, 10:29
Where is it marco ?

did something go amiss all i can see is the original platter!

Marco
05-11-2010, 10:29
Ok guys,

Mike's sent me some pics of my customised version of his platter... First, this is the existing one:


http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5243/midnewsolidaluminiumpla.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/midnewsolidaluminiumpla.jpg/)


And the new lighter version with copper mat bonded on top:


http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7110/copperplatteronlathr.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/copperplatteronlathr.jpg/)


And in situ on the T/T:


http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5520/newcopperplatter.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/i/newcopperplatter.jpg/)


Can't wait to try it! :)

Marco.

Marco
05-11-2010, 10:30
Where is it marco ?

did something go amiss all i can see is the original platter!

Now fixed, Chris, sorry - slip of the keyboard!

Marco.

chris@panteg
05-11-2010, 10:32
:) looks tasty indeed ! shame you have to cover that shiny copper up with ye olde vinyl

Marco
05-11-2010, 10:39
Indeed - and an Achromat! ;)

I'll have to borrow a standard size one though from Arthur, as the one I have at the moment is cut for the Techie platter. I'm sure he'll have a few demo ones kicking around that'll do the job.

I'm quite excited and have high hopes for this platter. The plan is to compare it, fitted with an Achromat, against a copper mat and Achromat with the existing platter (and also with an Oyaide), all using Paul's SR5-21 PSU, and see which combo performs best...

I have an inkling what'll win, though, as I'm sure Martin might :eyebrows:

We'll see, though! I'll simply tell it as I hear it. I have to know the results of testing all viable combos, so that I can offer people advice from a position of experience.

Then it'll be down to Martin's to do some further testing against his standard MN platter to see if my customised design has proved to be sonically beneficial (or not), the results of which I will then report here.

You can't accuse me of not being thorough (lol!), so hopefully when the testing has been carried out, people will have a better idea of what way to go with their own Techies.

I think it's important that Techie enthusiasts have a point of reference from which they can then use their own judgement, and then their own ears if they decide to go with whatever is recommended :cool:

Marco.

Gerry
05-11-2010, 13:54
Marco

Ill be very interested in your results.
I use a Ancromat on my L-07D (AK let me have one for a review when they first came out) but b/c of the size have never been able to test it on my SP10.
I have a Kenwood Ceramic platter also and have been thinking of going over to copper and trying the Oyaide.
Do you have an Oyaide?

Regards
Gerry

Marco
05-11-2010, 13:58
Hi Gerry,

No, but I'll just order one when I get the copper mat and sell it on later if it doesn't come up to scratch when tested against the other stuff. I'll certainly be keeping everyone informed of the results.

The Achromat really is a no-brainer, and quite frankly should be considered as a ubiquitous choice in the application of 'record interface mat' :)

Marco.

DSJR
05-11-2010, 17:32
Marco, I notice that your mat has actually been tested in situ with a Techie deck ;)

Marco
05-11-2010, 18:01
Sorry, Dave, not sure what you're getting at..... :scratch:

Marco.

MartinT
05-11-2010, 18:13
Mike's sent me some pics of my customised version of his platter.

Yes, I got those too. It'll be interesting to hear whether the bonded copper layer plays differently from the inserts in my version. Of course, we'll have to contend with both the copper and weight being different, but I can't wait to compare them.

Can I just confirm, Marco, that your Achromat is the 5mm not the 3mm version? The Funk Firm website doesn't appear to accept direct orders so how did you purchase yours?

Reid Malenfant
05-11-2010, 18:29
It'll be interesting to hear whether the bonded copper layer plays differently from the inserts in my version.
I'd expect it to having thought about it :) Copper is softer than alloy so it should have a damping effect on the alloy platter, with it being bonded this should be quite a bit better than just sat on top. From what i can remember copper even if shaped the same way as alloy rings far less & at a lower frequency as it's heavier than aluminium, not sure about the alloy used in this platter though :scratch:

The idea is fundamentally sound :eyebrows: Excuse the pun ;)

Marco
05-11-2010, 18:29
Hi Martin,

Yes, I can't wait to compare the platters, too......

I'm not sure what thickness of Achromat Arthur sent (I don't have it in front of me at the moment to measure, and I'm just having my dinner) but he would know, so best just to email him and ask him.

You can order the Achromat at the same time :)

info@thefunkfirm.co.uk or Tel: 01273 585042.

There are some exciting times ahead, as I have a feeling this new platter (in conjunction with the Achromat) is going to raise the performance of the Techie to previously unprecedented levels!

Marco.

DSJR
05-11-2010, 20:19
Sorry, Dave, not sure what you're getting at..... :scratch:

Marco.

Apologies, I was half asleep when I typed this. what I meant is that your composite platter has been tested on a techie before you receive it, so you won't have the supposed problems with ill-fitting as alluded to elsewhere.

I hope this works out OK for all. I hate it when other, subjectivism aligned sites make gleeful entertainment out of threads like this, even though the targets aren't really the mass-membership. Some people can be so cruel and it rubs off on those of us here who post with the utmost civility.

Marco
05-11-2010, 20:26
Ah, gotcha now, Dave :)

With regard to the other thing, we're so far above those shit-filled cesspits, we simply look down and spit on them with the contempt they deserve ;)

Rising above it (and them) is the best option.

Marco.

Mike_New
05-11-2010, 23:15
The new platter which Marco has posted a pic of, is essentially the same unit with a
3mm thick annealed copper plate bonded to the alluminium surface. The copper plate is not removable as it is pressure bonded to the platter body. The copper plate is annealed at 600deg C before being quenched in a Sulphuric Acid pickling bath. This has the effect of rendering the copper pliable and more resonance absorbent, (it also etches the copper ready for bonding) and allowing a very close allover bonding connection with the top surface.
This is, I believe a superior alternative to a free floating copper mat, which cannot have the required connectivity to the platter body as such. Although I have in posts elsewhere, recommended that people using these, should use a coating of good quality silicon grease (or Vaselene) in order to improve things.

Pete
06-11-2010, 05:24
The MN platter I have is 2mm thicker than std and has the contouring for the bearing and stiffener. I use the 5mm funkfirm achromat, and the combination sounds heavenly.

I am curious and look forward to your results Marco

Cheers
Pete

markf
06-11-2010, 06:20
Would there be anything wrong with highly polishing the copper and placing the record directly
on it and making a mat optional ?

MartinT
06-11-2010, 09:04
I use the 5mm funkfirm achromat, and the combination sounds heavenly.

Dammit, I'm really tempted now since you have a MN platter.

StanleyB
06-11-2010, 10:17
Would there be anything wrong with highly polishing the copper and placing the record directly
on it and making a mat optional ?
It may or may not be. I have the CU-180 copper mat for my Micro Seiki DDX-1000. Many owners of the CU-180 will tell you that they have had great results with that mat, but I have not been so lucky. It might be due to the combination of the system setup I have, but I don't harbour any immediate desire to swap around amps and speakers just to get the mat to sound right.

Marco
07-11-2010, 01:03
Hi Mark,

I'm not sure, as I haven't tried it. Experience, however, suggests that hard metal surfaces don't make the best interfaces between the record and platter.

However, when I obtain a copper mat to assess, I will revisit this and report my findings :)

Marco.

Pete
07-11-2010, 02:43
Dammit, I'm really tempted now since you have a MN platter.

dew eet ;)

DSJR
07-11-2010, 10:56
Hi Mark,

I'm not sure, as I haven't tried it. Experience, however, suggests that hard metal surfaces don't make the best interfaces between the record and platter.

However, when I obtain a copper mat to assess, I will revisit this and report my findings :)

Marco.

When I bought my mentor deck from Tom, I was given the choice of two top-platters to try. The first was what I remember to be a thick aluminium one (or non-magnetic steel, I can't remember) and the second, the now standard graphite type.

The metallic platter sounded ringy and over-bright. Perfect for rejuvenating dull sounding magnetic cartridges and older mc types, but to me, being one colouration balancing out another.

The graphite platter by comparison sounded far more neutral when compared to the copy-masters I had, the record appearing to be well terminated, but the effect on many cartridges of the time wasn't always good, as measurable treble dullness in the cartridge sounded just that. The Decca was in its element though and modern mc types are too :)

markf
07-11-2010, 18:53
So the copper doesn't really help other than look good, so perhaps a platter with a
graphite top plate would be better. (probably look great too)

I guess I should ask Marco, what was your reason for selecting copper for your custom platter ?

colinB
07-11-2010, 18:55
Ive read that the copper reduces eddy currents.

Marco
07-11-2010, 21:47
Colin's got it in one, Mark :)

Both the PSU (when the original one is used), and the motor unit under the platter, generate eddy currents detrimental to the sonic performance of the cartridge above, which the copper mat, due to its material properties, helps reduce.

Therefore from the bottom, we have Mike's superb bespoke platter, which adds both structural rigidity and controls resonance, and above it the bonded copper mat reducing the effect of eddy currents, and topping it all, the superb Achromat, providing the ideal (impedance matching) interface for the record - all of which should combine to allow maximum information retrieval from recordings with minimum coloration....

That's the theory (and goal). We'll soon see whether it translates into this in practice!

Marco.

Rare Bird
07-11-2010, 22:02
Wouldnt a series of slots in the copper have a better effect on Eddies!

DSJR
07-11-2010, 22:15
Colin's got it in one, Mark :)

Both the PSU (when the original one is used), and the motor unit under the platter, generate eddy currents detrimental to the sonic performance of the cartridge above, which the copper mat, due to its material properties, helps reduce.

That's the theory (and goal). We'll soon see whether it translates into this in practice!

Marco.

A serious question, how do you know that there are eddy currents in the supplied techie platter and, if they are, do they really affect the performance of the cartridge used? Have you been given proof of this, or is it just hearsay by others?

I've heard too many times the mantra of people inventing a problem and then marketing an expensive cure for it.

Just to keep you questioning what you think is the obvious from what you've been told, that's all :)

Marco
07-11-2010, 22:15
Wouldnt a series of slots in the copper have a better effect on Eddies!


Possibly, mate (I can see where you're coming from), but you could go on forever with these things, and it's Mike doing all the work! :eek:

I'm pretty confident the above combo will be shweeeeeeet! :gig:

:trust:

Marco.

Reid Malenfant
07-11-2010, 22:23
I'm pretty confident the above combo will be shweeeeeeet!
Likewise, the fact that it was annealed before bonding makes me think so to :eyebrows: That'll be some lovely soft copper, bye bye resonances at a guess ;)

Marco
07-11-2010, 22:29
Hi Dave,


A serious question, how do you know that there are eddy currents in the supplied techie platter and, if they are, do they really affect the performance of the cartridge used? Have you been given proof of this, or is it just hearsay by others?


Good question! Obtaining real 'proof' of certain audio effects, as you know, is often easier said than done, so as usual I'll go with what my ears and experience tells me.

I've analysed in isolation the (very positive) sonic effect of removing the stock PSU from underneath the Techie platter, which for me was easily discernable. I'm expecting the reduction in eddy currents transferred from the motor unit, as a result of the effect of the bonded copper mat on the platter (and the subsequent sonic benefits), to be equally as discernable.

The sonic effect of eddy currents on the cartridge usually translates as a 'thickening' of the sound with subdued dynamics (and high frequency information), so it's fairly easy to spot in a genuinely 'wide open' and revealing system.

I'll let you know what happens, because when Guy sends me a copper mat to try, I'll be able to compare the difference both with and without with the stock platter :cool:

Marco.

synsei
01-01-2011, 23:24
Marco,
You can try and re-sign up for me if you would. I was a member but now it would seem that I have been barred/banned or whatever without ever being informed.

Hi Mike... I'm sorry you have been slated by one of my fellow countrymen. I know of DC's reputation from my time on VE. I'm going to say no more about it other than his reputation precedes him and I have a policy of not doing business with dishonest types.

As for your ban from VE? It seems to be a favourite pastime of the owner to kick people with no explanation. I am a fellow victim, but in my case it led me to discover AoS, which is a far friendlier place to be... :respect:

Mike_New
01-01-2011, 23:34
Thank you synsei,

synsei
01-01-2011, 23:53
No worries mate... :goodluck:

satanfriendly
11-01-2011, 22:55
It is the way DC operates.

A very greedy individual who has no lower limits when it comes to lining his own purse. Ethics have no place in his business accumen.

I say this from experience with reference to an offer outside of hiFi. Put simply his commission offer was some 30% above normal practice. It didn't take long to find out someone was all for lining their own pocket.

Suffers from dilusional granduer and over familiarity.

Nuff said

bubba45
11-01-2011, 23:57
Hi SF
Nice to see you on here. How's you?

satanfriendly
12-01-2011, 00:07
I am very fine indeed brother Bubba.

Rather stumbled across this place by accident (and an E-Bay event), Still a VE man, but hey more forums, more fun.

keiths
12-01-2011, 18:01
Still a VE man, but hey more forums, more fun.

'Scuse my ignorance, but "VE" has been mentioned on here quite a few times lately - what is it?

MartinT
12-01-2011, 18:02
Vinyl Engine - it's another forum.

http://www.vinylengine.com/news.shtml

keiths
12-01-2011, 18:04
Cheers, will take a peek over there sometime.

Marco
04-09-2012, 11:23
Well, no comments have been made on this thread for quite a while, but I feel that I must reply to Dave Cawley's remarks about Mike's bearing on The Hi-fi Subjectivist (Richard Dunn's site). See here (scroll down to the bottom): http://hifisubjectivist.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=44759&view=unread&sid=a8ab17626be017d3db73613c9bcf106c#unread

The remarks below, by DC, were prompted by what I'd written on another thread in Blank Canvas, regarding the ethics (or otherwise) of hi-fi magazines, where DC has now been appointed by HFW to give advice to readers on upgrading their systems (!) and where I mentioned about Dave Cawley ripping off Mike's Technics bearing design: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showpost.php?p=358332&postcount=31


(Dave Cawley, on The Hi-fi Subjectivist) Hi Guys

I won't deny that I tried to improve on that design, so that the oil could be changed, as it is it's in there for ever, you can't change it, or even check if there is any. I was advised on engineering grounds not to continue, so I stopped. But believe me, if I had wanted to copy that defective design, I could, and I could have avoided all copyright and IPR's. But that's not what I do!


First of all, the old chestnut of the "defective design" thing is bollocks. You apply oil to the bearing, through the reservoir at the base of the spindle, and it penetrates down to the bearing to lubricate it accordingly, and then top it up when necessary - simples!

Why would you need to change the oil, certainly within any remotely immediate timescale? You're lubricating the oil in a T/T bearing, FFS, not the engine in a car! :doh: Therefore, once it's in there doing its job, there's no reason to touch it for a very long time, if ever.

Dave Cawley is using the "defective design" bollocks, creating a 'problem' where none exists, simply as an excuse to cover up the fact that he was trying to shaft Mike, by ripping-off his design, which is obvious by his following comments, to anyone with half of a brain:


I won't deny that I tried to improve on that design, so that the oil could be changed, as it is it's in there for ever, you can't change it, or even check if there is any. I was advised on engineering grounds not to continue, so I stopped.


What he actually means is that once he took a sample of Mike's bearing around some engineering workshops in the UK (completely without Mike's permission), and found out how much it would cost to replicate it here in this country (bearing in mind that Mike is in Australia), he binned the idea once he discovered that the cost involved would wipe out any hope of him making the profits that he had envisaged making, once he'd successfully copied the design, behind Mike's back!

It's all a smokescreen to try and cover up his odious dishonesty and unscrupulous business practices. Surely anyone can read through the bullshit and see this?

But it's these remarks that show exactly the type of man he is:


I won't deny that I tried to improve on that design... But believe me, if I had wanted to copy that defective design, I could, and I could have avoided all copyright and IPR's. But that's not what I do!


No, what you do is try and rip people off by stealing their designs, my friend.

The crux of the matter and the key question is this: did Mike New give DC permission to "improve" his bearing design - indeed was this matter discussed between them and agreed at any stage in their relationship?

If not (and we know he didn't, as no doubt Mike will confirm) then why on earth was Dave Cawley taking a sample of the bearing to engineering workshops here in the UK, supposedly to "improve" the design, and tampering with it, in the first place??

As far as I'm concerned, DC's admission of tampering with Mike's bearing, without his permission, is in fact an admission that his real motives were to try and copy it (hopefully more cheaply than Mike was supplying them to him at the time) and selling it at a bigger profit, thus removing Mike from the equation. That's a nice way to treat a supposed business partner, eh?? :rolleyes:

Also this:


if I had wanted to copy that defective design, I could, and I could have avoided all copyright and IPR's...


Forget the legalities of the matter - what about basic morals and decency? Is that how you treat people?? Mike New and DC were supposed to be in business TOGETHER, not one person going behind the other's back, to cut the other out of the equation!

Anyway, I felt it necessary to post this recent information for the benefit of anyone who is interested, and to remind people of the kind of human being that is Mr Dave Cawley, the hi-fi dealer, currently working for HFW magazine.

Marco.

REXTON
04-09-2012, 12:16
:nocomment: how can you add anything to that:scratch:

synsei
04-09-2012, 12:25
I think the time for 'niceties' is over. DC has clearly admitted his intention was to abuse Mikes intellectual property rights and I would now strongly urge him to stop this dead in its tracks and begin court proceedings against both Sound HiFi , the business, and Dave Cawley personally. The longer this drags on the more DC will attempt to sully Mikes good name and drag his business through the dirt...

I would also question Richard Dunn's integrity, a man who has consistently slated dealers for their 'nefarious business practises' and who champions the direct seller. I would suggest he has betrayed his principles by allowing the 'enemy' to comment on his forum. The next time he accuses somebody of shilling I shall remind him of his hypocrisy...

Marco
04-09-2012, 14:08
Hi Dave,


I think the time for 'niceties' is over. DC has clearly admitted his intention was to abuse Mikes intellectual property rights...


Indeed, and I'm glad that people can finally see it, after he's now all but admitted it.


I would also question Richard Dunn's integrity, a man who has consistently slated dealers for their 'nefarious business practises' and championed the direct seller. I would suggest he has betrayed his principles by allowing the 'enemy' to comment on his forum...

The only thing that matters to Richard Dunn is having a giggle (when the reality is that others elsewhere are laughing more at him) to brighten up his otherwise dull life. I guess that when you get to his age, you've got to take whatever excitement you can get! :D

Also, given the above, can you spot the, hilarious beyond belief, hypocrisy, in this statement from him (in reference to me) on the 'Quinn & Dunn show' that he calls a hi-fi forum:


Just read it the same old same old, it is not the facts or even surmising in this case that matters, it is the manic preoccupation with it that borders on Asperger's syndrome. Why can't the man let it go?


You mean just like YOU have "let it go" about dealers "slurping" and how you were so 'wronged' by the industry (which has turned you into the bitter and twisted old man you are today), and instead drone on and on (and on) about the subject, making reference to it in some way, whenever you're given the slightest opportunity?? Pot > kettle syndrome, if there ever was one.

Yes folks, welcome to Richard Dunn's Hypocrisy City!! :laugh:

Honestly, you couldn't make up such comedy, and the spectacular failure of him to look in the mirror and acknowledge that he's accusing me of doing *precisely* what he does himself, only with his chosen pet subject!! Laughable in the extreme? You betcha! :lol:

Now for the facts, rather than RD's deluded fantasies:

I brought this thread to life again because a discussion was started in Blank Canvas about the ethics of dealers, which referred to DC's involvement with HFW, and when I read Cawley's response on RD's forum, I couldn't not remark on how spectacularly he'd just shot himself in the foot, by all but admitting his attempted ripping off of Mike's bearing design.

Oh, and Dodgy Dave, A.K.A Creepy Crawley:


I seemed to have opened a hornets nest over on AoS now that Marco has discovered he can't change the viscosity of the oil in his bearing to match the Funk platter, instead of the massive aluminium/copper he once had. He has every right to be a little annoyed!


What utter nonsense. I couldn't give a flying f*ck about the viscosity of the oil in my MN bearing. Perish the thought!

The oil has been in there for long enough, and is doing its job very nicely, thanks, considering that my T/T is often in use for more than 10 hours a day. Therefore, I'm sure that if there was a problem, I'd know about it by now. The fact is, my T/T has never sounded better, particularly since I gave up using your vastly overpriced toytown power supplies.


But all this is academic as it all started to go wrong when I declined to let him have one of my PSU's. As most manufactures know you have to let stuff out on permanent loan and that isn't how I work.


Like Richard Dunn, you show a remarkably similar propensity to 'forget' the facts. I guess it's an age thing. Therefore, allow me to remind you:

It all "started to go wrong", my friend, when I discovered what a two-faced c*nt you were, after someone reported you bad-mouthing me to all and sundry at a hi-fi show, simply because I had the audacity to state on AoS that the Paul Hynes SR3 PSU, belonging to Shuggie (Hugo), I'd heard with my T/T, totally outperformed the Timestep PSU I was using at the time. How did you think that felt, considering at the time that I was good customer of yours - am I supposed to simply put up with that and let you get away with it?

Do you remember what I'm referring to, Dave, or is your dementia too highly advanced? Seems like it. Well, welcome to reality! Now you know that anyone who treats me like that gets their comeuppance.....

After I'd heard the superiority of Paul's SR3 demonstrated to me in my own system, I emailed you, and told you what had happened, in the hope that you would embrace the situation constructively. Therefore, I asked if I could borrow an HE version of the Timestep, to compare against the SR3, in the hope that the HE would outperform the SR3 (as believe it or not, at that time, I still had notions of being loyal to you, as a customer) - my God, I can't believe how naive I was then! :doh:

However, you refused and gave me some bollocks excuse that you don't loan out equipment (when that's precisely what most good dealers do, in order to make sure that their regular customers, which I was at the time, are happy, before taking a sale), when in fact we all know the REAL reason why you wouldn't send me one to try: because you knew full well that it wouldn't be any better than the SR3, and that it would then signal the end of me using your T/T power supplies and recommending them on AoS! :exactly:

That happened anyway, but not before you got all pissy with me because I'd simply found a better performing PSU for my turntable. Great attitude, eh?

It also "started to go wrong" when I sussed what you were *really* about and refused to become one of your puppets, whom you groom to worship you as a Technics T/T guru (haha), and others such as Martin T were also discovering the same, and ditching your products in favour of those from Paul Hynes, and also, crucially, when I discovered that you were not only a two-faced c*nt, in it simply to make as much money from people as possible, but an unscrupulous shyster too, after the Mike New debacle raised its ugly head...

*That*, sweetheart, is when it all "started to go wrong"! You could say that I 'woke up and smelled the coffee'...

Anyway, isn't it great timing and that all this has bubbled up to the surface nicely again, just in time for the Whittlebury Hall hi-fi show in two weeks, where you're exhibiting? I hope that your stall is busy... All publicity is good publicity, eh? ;)

Marco.

synsei
04-09-2012, 14:25
It is the nature of the beast that new technologies are conceived and continually honed over time to improve performance in an attempt to stay one step ahead of the competition. Conscientious inventors and developers employ their finely honed skills and expertise to facilitate this. If their competitors do the same then both they and their customers benefit. When just one of those competitors is either too lazy or doesn't possess the skillset to stay in the game and instead resorts to subterfuge, then everybody loses, including him.

synsei
04-09-2012, 15:11
Mr Dunn: Seeing as you are monitoring this thread so avidly (gawd knows why), let's discuss your favourite latin phrase, Ad Hominem. If you were as eager to apply your ad hominem rule towards your good self as you are against those who don't happen to share your point of view, I doubt there would be a single post of yours left on your own forum ;)

Richard, I'm not comfortable discussing this with you from over here. Allow me to sign up to your forum and I will introduce myself, then we can continue our interesting discussion on a platform better suited to it...

REXTON
04-09-2012, 15:33
Lets invite DC over :lol:, mines the front row seat, ringside :D

Marco
04-09-2012, 15:34
Mr Dunn: Seeing as you are monitoring this thread so avidly (gawd knows why), let's discuss your favourite latin phrase, Ad Hominem. If you were as eager to apply your ad hominem rule towards your good self as you are against those who don't happen to share your point of view, I doubt there would be a single post of yours left on your own forum...


Haha, how true is that? :D

RD's bastardisation of the meaning of 'ad hominem' is a standing joke in popular circles - he simply twists the rules to suit himself, as indeed he frequently twists the truth to comply with his addled version of reality.


Richard, I'm not comfortable discussing this with you from over here. Allow me to sign up to your forum and I will introduce myself, then we can continue our interesting discussion on a platform better suited to it...


I'll give it 15 mins, tops, before he bans you for 'ad hominem'!! :lol:

Marco.

Marco
04-09-2012, 15:41
Hi Andrew,


Lets invite DC over :lol:, mines the front row seat, ringside :D

We tried that briefly, before we banned him (while he was still a member here), where he was invited to defend himself against the accusations made against him, regarding Mike New.

He declined, as he was too much of a pussy (doesn't have the balls to handle being questioned), and also because he knew that his 'goose was cooked', as it were, so he ran off to his own site, where he could preach to his brainwashed disciples in safety! ;)

Marco.

REXTON
04-09-2012, 16:25
Shall I post a link to this thread on his timestep forum, It would be quite a giggle to get banned. :eek:

Marco
04-09-2012, 16:34
Lol - go for it! :eyebrows:

Marco.

synsei
04-09-2012, 16:36
Well, I've been kicked off. I think that says it all really... :rolleyes:

I think it is important to remember that Mike New is the victim here, and with the greatest respect Marco, the rocky relationship between yourself and Richard is just a side show. Frankly, all it would take to end this unpleasantness is for Dave to issue an apology for abusing Mike's trust. DC also needs to realise that competition is a good thing, if handled correctly he will benefit from it far more than he will if he cuts corners... :hmm:

Marco
04-09-2012, 16:51
Lol - you lasted longer than I thought!

Dunn's a clown of the highest order, twists things to suit himself, and is totally divorced from any notion of reality; best pitied than ridiculed. He's just a bored old man seeking to fill the empty hours of his life, the best way he can. It's all very sad.


I think it is important to remember that Mike New is the victim here, and with the greatest respect Marco, the rocky relationship between yourself and Richard is just a side show.


I completely agree. I simply see myself as the facilitator of information for public consumption. However, I also consider it my duty to expose shysters, as they do no favours for the reputation and credibility of the industry, especially in these troubled times.


Frankly, all it would take to end this unpleasantness is for Dave to issue an apology for abusing Mike's trust. DC also needs to realise that competition is a good thing, if handled correctly he will benefit from it far more than he will if he cuts corners...


Absolutely, although I think that Mike might tell him to stick his apology in the same place as RD told you to stick your respect! ;)

Excellent last point, I'll come back to that later. Din-dins beckon! :)

Marco.

REXTON
04-09-2012, 16:56
Shall I post a link to this thread on his timestep forum, It would be quite a giggle to get banned. :eek:


Lol - go for it! :eyebrows:

Marco.


Done!

Right i'm going to have a look at Richard Dunn's site.

Marco
04-09-2012, 17:04
Done!


Link please? Can't find it, unless it's already been binned...

Marco.

keiths
04-09-2012, 17:07
It existed briefly, but now appears to have been binned...

synsei
04-09-2012, 17:18
What I find particularly sad is that the industry isn't big enough to absorb such behaviour without suffering immense damage to its credibility. We are witnessing the migration of brands that were highly influential back in the 1970's and 80's into the hands of vast, foreign owned conglomerates. The management of these huge structures can't resist imposing their own ideas onto their design teams and what ends up coming out of the sausage machine is mostly tat.

The one saving grace is that many of the designers and ex-managers of these once British owned concerns tend to leave to start their own, small businesses and carry on as usual. As I've mentioned in another thread, it will be a return to those august years of the 70's and 80's as all these new startups begin to re-engage with their old customer base and return us to a British hifi industry driven by small, innovative companies which produce outstanding products, as long as everybody behaves themselves of course... ;)

Marco
04-09-2012, 17:35
It existed briefly, but now appears to have been binned...

That in itself is an admission of guilt and a complete cover-up. Why not expose what's been written here to the scrutiny of his members, and let them judge the situation for themselves? If he was innocent of the accusations being made against him, he'd have no qualms about doing that.

The truth is he's too scared to lose custom (as he knows he's guilty), that's why! ;)

Marco.

REXTON
04-09-2012, 17:41
Yep, you get this reply if you try and log in

http://www.time-step.net/forum.php

it's down for a forum upgrade...:scratch:

Marco
04-09-2012, 17:44
Now that's rather convenient! ;)

Marco.

WOStantonCS100
04-09-2012, 18:33
Yet again, I feel vindicated for every scathing word I've ever uttered regarding DC on this and other forums. :rolleyes:

synsei
04-09-2012, 18:40
DC also needs to realise that competition is a good thing


Excellent last point, I'll come back to that later. Din-dins beckon! :)

Marco.

:popcorn:

Marco
04-09-2012, 22:07
Well, any audio engineer, worth their salt, and confident in their ability, embraces healthy competition and sees it as a positive thing, instead of sulks and moans about people being 'disloyal', when a customer of theirs discovers a competitor's product that they consider is sonically superior, as I did with Paul Hynes' SR3 PSU, compared with my (then) Timestep.

Therefore, when I approached Dave Cawley and told him that (being a good customer of his at the time), he should've welcomed the challenge and the opportunity to up the ante and to discover why, IMO, Paul's SR3 was so much better.

It should've been a case of 'let's look into it, Marco, and see what we can do', rather than the defensive and dismissive attitude I got (and slagged off, to boot, to fellow forum members at a hi-fi show), when merely asking for a loan of an HE PSU, to see whether it was any better than the SR3.

I can assure you that Paul Hynes would've reacted positively to the situation, and saw it as a challenge, if it had been the other way round, but then you're talking about a genuinely talented audio engineer, who knows his subject inside out, rather than a sales and marketing man (keen on topping up his pension fund), posing as an audio engineer, in the case of Cawley! ;)

Marco.

Marco
05-09-2012, 06:54
Mike,

You're very quiet in all of this. Not got any comments to make on recent developments? :)

Marco.

Mike_New
05-09-2012, 07:58
Hi Marco,
I am still recovering from the foregoing comments.
But I am bitterly disappointed beccause Cawley forgot to mention that my Bearings can also seize up when used in hot climates and possibly burst into flames!!! I did offer a free fire extinguisher service but no one took me up on the offer.
I now have over 150 bearings in many countries across Europe and Asia, and of course the US, and all are in the SL1200s of very happy customers.

The bullshit about bearing oil is just that, BS. You will find in much technical literature concerning bearings and precision gearboxes that they are “sealed for life”. Oil does not degrade with use, certainly not at the enormous speeds at which my Bearings rotate!.
However oil can become contaminated when exposed to the atmosphere as the normal and his modified bearings are.

Poor old Cawley is no doubt just trying to re-invigorating the interest in his products during these hard economic times.
And after all if people/(his disciples) believe in this crap, then they will beat a pathway to his door to buy more oil at great cost and profit to himself.

The amusing thing is, that his comments are providing me with far more kudos than the disrepute that his silly remarks seem to be bringing upon himself. Judging from emails I have been getting.

Cawley has always been very friendly with the stake holders in HFW, so it does not surprise me that he is now working for them. I offered to supply them with a bearing for use in their SL1200 and to do an evaluation, but I was not extended the courtesy of a reply.

Marco
05-09-2012, 08:24
Hi Mike,


I am still recovering from the foregoing comments.
But I am bitterly disappointed beccause Cawley forgot to mention that my Bearings can also seize up when used in hot climates and possibly burst into flames!!! I did offer a free fire extinguisher service but no one took me up on the offer.


Ha - yes, I'm glad you reminded us of that little beauty! :lol: :mental:


I now have over 150 bearings in many countries across Europe and Asia, and of course the US, and all are in the SL1200s of very happy customers.


You mean that none of them have invested in shares in BP, to recoup the cost of all the oil that their bearings have lost?? :scratch:


However oil can become contaminated when exposed to the atmosphere as the normal and his modified bearings are.


Hehehehe..... Slam > dunk!!


Poor old Cawley is no doubt just trying to re-invigorating the interest in his products during these hard economic times.
And after all if people/(his disciples) believe in this crap, then they will beat a pathway to his door to buy more oil at great cost and profit to himself.


Yes, I'm sure that they'll be queuing up at his stall, at the forthcoming hi-fi show, to offer him plenty of rewards.


The amusing thing is, that his comments are providing me with far more kudos than the disrepute that his silly remarks seem to be bringing upon himself. Judging from emails I have been getting.


Priceless, innit? Comedy at its absolute best :D


Cawley has always been very friendly with the stake holders in HFW, so it does not surprise me that he is now working for them. I offered to supply them with a bearing for use in their SL1200 and to do an evaluation, but I was not extended the courtesy of a reply.

Like I said before, it's simply 'jobs for the boys'! Btw, could you just clear this up for me, so that the matter is left in no doubt:


The crux of the matter and the key question is this:

did Mike New give DC permission to "improve" his bearing design - indeed was this matter discussed between them and agreed at any stage in their relationship?


:)

Marco.

Mike_New
05-09-2012, 08:46
The crux of the matter and the key question is this:

did Mike New give DC permission to "improve" his bearing design - indeed was this matter discussed between them and agreed at any stage in their relationship?


I never at any time gave anyone permission to "improve" my Bearing far less Cawley. Indeed it cannot be improved within the limmited contraints of the SL1200 direct drive system. I guess that is what frustrates him so.

Marco
05-09-2012, 09:02
Well then, that fact, coupled by the earlier admission, by Dave Cawley, of:


I won't deny that I tried to improve on that design, so that the oil could be changed...


...proves that his intention was to abuse your intellectual property rights, and his tampering with your bearing in that way, and desire to "improve" it, without your permission, strongly suggests that his intention was also to copy it.

I really don't see how any reasonable person, with an ounce of common sense, could argue that there wasn't some major skulduggery being carried out there by Dave Cawley.

I'll therefore leave it open for people to consider if they wish to do business with someone like that.

Marco.

Marco
05-09-2012, 09:58
Latest on the 'Quinn & Dunn' show:


Now we have the guy who "designed" this bearing jumping in to provide more fuel for Il Duce's Aspergers syndrom. Now this is fine, there are many disputes between ex partners and much money in lawyers pockets. The thing I find most silly is to call Dave because he took a bearing to a bearing manufacturer and said "how can I improve on it", I am afraid in the real world it happens all the time, in fact I would say every manufacturer in every industry has explored existing things and said how can I improve on it. So what is this nonsense about "asking permission" to do it - bonkers. Lets look at reality and a specific pet manufacturer of Marco's. Is he saying that his Anthony TD amp was just designed from scratch, and Anthony hadn't owned another amp by another designer in his life that he didn't look at and say "how can I improve on it". The whole argument is fallacious in the extreme.


The difference is, oh brainless one, that Cawley was in business at the time with Mike New, selling the bearing that Mike had designed, and that Cawley wasn't just trying to "improve" (on a bearing design he clearly didn't understand, and so couldn't be improved by him), but also to copy and sell it behind Mike's back, thereby stealing his design!

What kind of business relationship is that?? Is that how you operate? Those you mention above have not been guilty of such underhand and unethical behaviour, so your comparison is ridiculous.

I'd love to see what would happen if Jason tried to do the same to you, as Cawley did to Mike... Then we'd be hearing all about it!

Marco.

synsei
05-09-2012, 10:00
Birds of a feather stick together...

Marco
05-09-2012, 11:21
It continues:


BUT oh great and omnipotent one, he didn't do it, he thought about (according to you) and explored the possibility.


The only reason that he didn't, was because he couldn't! That's irrelevant, though; it's the intent that counts.

The very fact that he tried to tamper with the construction of Mike's bearing, without his permission, samples of which had been supplied to him in good faith, and "explored the possibility" of 'improving' it (without consulting him first), copying the design and selling it behind Mike's back, shows the morals of a sewer rat.

So if people feel comfortable doing business with someone like that, then good luck to them. I certainly wouldn't, and judging by the correspondence I've received, so wouldn't plenty of others.

The very fact that you think Cawley's unscrupulous behaviour is justifiable, also throws into question your own morals, else why would you condone it?


Why don't you just admit it, this is your problem no one elses, it is your lunacy, just like you have done with others in the past, you get fixated, you attack and try to destroy them...


You mean just like you're similarly 'fixated' with dealers, by constantly moaning on about their "slurping", and all the other 'same old, same old' pish that you churn out, again and again and again, which proves that you're one damaged, twisted old puppy? :D

Like I said, look in the mirror. The very behaviour you accuse me of above, you're equally as guilty of carrying out yourself, including threats of violence to people!

Marco.

Marco
05-09-2012, 12:44
Most likely the problem in your mind has nothing to do with Mike New it is the fact that Dave used to crawl up your arse and supply you with free samples and new dem stuff, and then he withdrew it - how dare he...


Ha - what complete and utter shite :lol: :lol: :mental:

That never happened ONCE, ask him yourself!! It's yet another figment of your fertile imagination. As for the rest of your drivel, it doesn't deserve being dignified with an answer.

I'll leave you now to enjoy the rest of the day (and the remainder of your life) as a bitter and twisted old man.

Over and out.

Marco.

Marco
05-09-2012, 14:43
Meanwhile, chaps and chap-esses, Dave Cawley's forum is still down: http://www.time-step.net/

It seems to be taking a long time to "run a version upgrade". Mmm... Maybe he's decided to do the right thing and pull the plug? ;)

Anyway, I've just received this message in private, which the sender would like put into the public domain, but remain anonymous:


Hi Marco. Earlier this year (2012) I evaluated three bearings in my SL1200. The standard Technics platter was used.

I removed the Mike New bearing and subsituted a Timestep bearing. The Timestep bearing was purchased from Cawley back in 2009 - as a point it was one of the first TS bearings -when I had an SME M2-9 installed on my Technics SL1200.

I now use an SME Series V.

Anyway I fitted the stock bearing. It was obvious that things were not right. The soundstage had collapsed and every LP played sounded like it was somewhat out of phase.

I then fitted the TS bearing and it was obviously not an improvement on the stock bearing; in fact in some ways it was worse as the platter then had a distinct wobble to it.

On fitting the MN bearing the quality of improvement to the sound was so great that it showed that the MN bearing is, indeed, a really exceptional upgrade for the SL1200s'.


The above (in bold) doesn't surprise me... Marketing men/salesmen rarely make good engineers! :rolleyes:

Marco.

kininigin
07-09-2012, 13:49
Haha,what a throughly interesting read,more plot twists than an action packed thriller.

Keep it up,there's not much on tonight :lol:

Marco
07-09-2012, 14:06
Glad you enjoyed it, Darren. Where possible, we aim to entertain! :D

More seriously, as a Techy owner and customer of some of the more expensive tweaks available, what do you make of it all? The thing that gets me most is this: why hasn't Cawley, if he's innocent, defended himself and told his side of the story?

Mmm... I simply cannot believe that an innocent person would take all this flak and say absolutely nothing in their defence, and he has (had?) the public platform of his forum to use to stand up for himself, not to mention on Richard Dunn's site, where I'm sure that would've been welcomed with open arms!

It's all rather a mystery isn't it? ;)

Marco.

kininigin
07-09-2012, 14:43
Well marco,i think it is all very shameful really.I'm all for supporting the british industry and revelent people,as my sig shows,but i find it quite disgusting how some people seem to carry on.

Just before all this had come out and i was just starting on my 1200 journey,i had almost bought one of DC's bearings,as like you have stated,he portrayed himself as a 'guru' if you like and gave the impression that he was like someone like say,glen croft or stan beresford (albeit as a seller as well).

It was only when the issue with mike new came out and i guess him dealing with that,that i started to have second thoughts and let the situation develope,that i started to see a different type of person to the one portrayed.

The modified technics industry (if you can call it that!) is i assume fairly small and therefore to completly shoot yourself not only in your foot,but both knee caps aswell,is amazing!!

At the end of the day,i'll be supporting those with ethical practises (especially in these times) who offer real value for money and excellent products.I'm the sort of person who usually stays 'loyal' to a brand that offers said things!

DC will not be getting any money from me anytime soon!!

Just to add,for me ethics play a large role in all aspects of my life,someone of DC's ilk would not get on too well with me!!!

synsei
07-09-2012, 14:43
To remind ourselves of this threads raisin d'etre, and particularly for those who are unaware of how this situation developed, it's worth reading the OP's original comment for further enlightenment and you will discover just why Dave Cawley is persona non grata.

It's also interesting to note that DC is describing himself as a 'guru' in his latest web promotions...

Marco
07-09-2012, 15:02
Linky please, so we can all laugh at it?

Btw, what's a raisin d'etre - are you studying the finer points of cake making? :D

Marco.

P.S Darren, we are at one in our assessment of Mr Cawley.

synsei
07-09-2012, 15:06
'Linky' (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8099) as requested. I'm more a Sultana man meself... :ner:

Marco
07-09-2012, 15:10
Raison d'Ítre ;)

Your link just takes me back to the beginning of this thread, dude... Where's Cawley describing himself as a "guru" in his latest web publications? :scratch:

Marco.

synsei
07-09-2012, 16:14
Oh sowy :doh: It appeared as a popup while I was browsing another website a couple of days ago so I can't guarantee it will appear for others because it was probably controlled by a tracking cookie :rolleyes:

I will do my best to retrace my steps though... ;)

Marco
07-09-2012, 16:28
Ha - it didn't take Cawley long to respond on RD's 'forum'. I thought what I wrote would hit a nerve! :eyebrows:

Creepy responds:


Well I'm sorry I am getting to Marco, he needs a happy life as we all do. However in the real world of Hi Fi, AoS isn't my prime target audience and never has been, only I and my accountant know where it really is! So in a nutshell, I'm completely innocent as charged by Marco, guilty of bringing the SL-1200 to the masses and not remotely worried whatever Marco says, simples!


Getting to me? Not at all, old chap. I think you'll find that it's the other way round. I'm merely making sure that the facts of this sorry situation are out in the open in the public domain, being read by many 100s of people every day all over the world.

As for your "prime target audience", well, we all know who they are: puppets you can mould and control into considering you as a 'Technics guru', and dimwits with more money than sense, who ask no questions, and simply buy whatever it is you tell them is good. Everyone else, i.e. discerning enthusiasts with intelligence, and not insignificant incomes, now avoid you like the plague.

What about people attending the forthcoming Whittlebury Hall hi-fi show (many of whom will be members of the main forums, including here, and so will know all about your dodgy dealings), do you reckon that they'll be your 'sort'??

"I'm completely innocent as charged by Marco".

Yes, we can see that, ho ho!

"...guilty of bringing the SL-1200 to the masses".

Oh FFS, the blind arrogance continues unabated... You honestly believe that deluded shite, don't you? :doh: Listen up, sweetheart, and listen real good: Kevin Barrett, of KAB USA (not to mention others) were doing that YEARS before you started wearing Tena pants for men!!

You're simply a no-mark dodgy salesman, who got lucky briefly, masquerading as a 'Technics guru', until you were found out differently. *That* is the truth, so embrace and accept it. You've had your day, and thank goodness it was short lived.

Anyway, when is your graveyard of a forum opening up again, or have you closed it now to save yourself any further embarrassment? If it's a software glitch, then I'd sack your IT department, as it's been down for days!

Oh, incidentally, if you fancy a good laugh, try typing in "Dave Cawley, shyster" into Google, and see what comes up on the same page as your profile on Linkedln:

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=20&gs_id=2a&xhr=t&q=Dave+cawley%2C+shyster&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Dave+cawley,+shyster&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=5d6d0f7eee3ed116&biw=1218&bih=512

Never underestimate the power of Google (and the rankings of AoS), Dave. You see, what's written here isn't the exclusive domain of AoS members. I'm sure that this thread will give plenty of others, worldwide, some interesting bedtime reading, perhaps even some of the denizens of Dartmouth ;)

Marco.

Marco
07-09-2012, 16:35
Oh sowy... It appeared as a popup while I was browsing another website a couple of days ago so I can't guarantee it will appear for others because it was probably controlled by a tracking cookie :rolleyes:

I will do my best to retrace my steps though...

No worries, dude. If you find it again, copy and paste it here for our collective amusement :)

Marco.

WOStantonCS100
07-09-2012, 16:47
"...guilty of bringing the SL-1200 to the masses".

:lol: :rfl:


Yeah, sure, like with millions of units sold, no one else knew about the things. Dave is smoking some very, very strong stuff. Newsflash Dicey Davey... not everyone who bought a 1200, since they were introduced decades ago, was a DJ or had any intention of becoming one. Newsflash Wavey Davey, the armless version of the 1200 (SL-120MK2) was tailor made for an SME arm with a Techy made SME armboard. Newsflash Scavey Davey, word on the 1200's has been out for a long, long time. No one needed or needs you to justify their purchase. You are not the center of the 1200 world, never have been, never will be. I'd say, "get a clue"; but, with the very strong crack you're on, there's no chance you would if you could.

Reid Malenfant
07-09-2012, 19:33
This is just too funny :eyebrows:

Mike_New
07-09-2012, 23:44
Hi Dave (the sultana man)

Your linky to the thread and posts of nearly 2 years ago reminds me of what started it all.
For those not familiar with the saga. It was Cawley's attitude to me concerning our embryonic agreement for us to make my Alluminium Platter in the UK, which started it all off. Cawley likes to get his own way, unfortunately he was dealing with someone who would not accommodate him.
So he decided to do what he did at the time and seemingly still likes to continue doing it!!
I can only assume that business for him is pretty bad at the moment (as it is for others I understand) and that selling into this very boutique market of SL1200 upgrades is vitally important to him.
In his enthusiasm to slag off my Bearing he is obviously not doing himself any good at all, but that will not stop Cawley.
Incidentally I did get one bearing returned from a customer (purchased on his Ebay fire-sale) which had one hole incorrectly spaced. This was replaced with a new one.
The others emailed me to say they got a good deal and that nothing was wrong with them.

synsei
08-09-2012, 06:55
Hi Mike,

I thought it was worth a reminder because I felt the origins of the situation were getting lost in the fog somewhat.

Frankly I find the whole sorry mess rather sad. DC's actions were totally unwarranted and had he played the game fairly from the beginning both you and he would be benefiting right now. You would have gained a European distributor and he would have reaped the kudos and benefits associated with that role. I'm as annoyed with him for putting his own business at risk as I am for the damage he is attempting to inflict upon yours. The longer he continues this charade the more his reputation suffers. The HiFi scene needs concerns such as Sound HiFi and Timestep but there must be an honest man at the helm. There might be a scintilla of hope for him if he were to swallow his pride and make a public apology, but I fear that particular train may have already left the station...

Marco
09-09-2012, 06:34
There might be a scintilla of hope for him if he were to swallow his pride and make a public apology, but I fear that particular train may have already left the station...

Indeed. As far as I'm concerned, if he were to apologise for bad-mouthing me in public, to friends of mine, at a show at Whittlebury Hall a few years back, when I was still a good customer of his (is that how a dealer should treat his customers?) then it would certainly heal that particular wound and go a long way towards him getting an easier ride. What are you supposed to do - sit back and accept that sort of thing?

He should realise that it's because of what HE has done, that is the reason why he's been given this grief, and because people deserve to know exactly what kind of person he is. If you slag your customers off behind their backs, calling them all the names under the sun, when the only thing they've done 'wrong' was praise a competitor's product (in this case a Paul Hynes PSU), and also try to rip people off, as he did so shamefully with Mike, then eventually you will get your comeuppance - and that's precisely what's happened with Cawley. I'm a great believer in Karma.

There has to be a precedent set that such behaviour from members of the industry will not be tolerated, and if found guilty, then they will be brought to account, to prevent others thinking that they might get away with similar skulduggery, and AoS will always exist as a vehicle to ensure that such justice is carried out. We exist as a public information service to support the best interests of the 'punters' and good guys in the audio industry, and as a thorn in the side to the bad guys. Hopefully, DC's learned his lesson now and will amend his behaviour in future - well we can all hope!

However, a public apology from Dave Cawley would all but end the current animosity. Indeed, as far as I'm concerned, it would end it completely if Mike also agreed to accept his apology. Then, there would be no need to mention him here again, certainly in a derogatory sense, unless he deserved it for something else he's done. I would guarantee that, and I'd delete everything negative here that's been written about him, to date, simply because what's done is done, and life's too short to hold grudges forever.

But is he man enough to apologise in public??

My guess is that, he's so arrogant, self-centered, and full of his own importance, that he thinks that it's HIM that's been wronged, not Mike or me (and especially Mike), as he was the real injured party here, so I suspect that we'll be waiting a long time for an apology from Mr Cawley! :rolleyes:

However, one can live in hope that he'll see sense, prove me wrong and swallow his fragile ego, for the long-term benefit of everyone.

Marco.

REXTON
09-09-2012, 15:33
Surely it should be enough just to ignore him?? It will hurt him in the place where he likes to be hurt least of all........... his wallet. I cant be bothered wasting any more time over DC.

Marco
09-09-2012, 18:59
Yup, dude, you're right. Enough's been said now on the subject, for everyone to know the score, including DC.

Marco.