Are the new TVs shit?

[Mikeandvan]

Thinking of going back to tube tellys after watching a DVD last week of The Tudors, when the characters move there's a jaggedness which looks odd, and on upon watching The Innocents last night there was a sort of outline to the characters which again looked odd and unrealistic. My TV is a 43" LG, cost about £400 5 odd years ago, had good reviews.

[Macca]

I have 9 year old LG and it doesn't do that. The only drawback is fast camera pans go blurry but it has to be against a constant background to notice it so it hardly ever a problem in reality. But like you say old CRT screens never had that issue. I don't think Plasma did either.

Might be your DVD player? Is it a cheapo?

[Macca]

Or you might have some wacky setting on. Some have a 'sharpness' control, if you turn that up too far things start looking odd.

I'd check all your settings on the TV and DVD if you didn't already. Then try another DVD player if you can.

[Mikeandvan]

I have 9 year old LG and it doesn't do that. The only drawback is fast camera pans go blurry but it has to be against a constant background to notice it so it hardly ever a problem in reality. But like you say old CRT screens never had that issue. I don't think Plasma did either.

Might be your DVD player? Is it a cheapo?

DVD player I got off here for free, I think its ok. I remember having an issue with this TV when I first got it and streaming, thought it looked odd, won't know until I get wifi on friday, but I might try and source a decent old TV anyway, not too big though, they take up too much damn room.

[Andy831]

And they are so damned heavy Mike too, my back is aching and I am only thinking about moving a Sony CRT

[Macca]

Problem with getting an old TV is no HDMI. But if you can get round that I suppose it's an option.

I got a Trinitron monitor only 14'' weighs as much as a small moon. But still working after almost 40 years.

[Barry]

We have two flat screen TVs: a Sony and an LG. Neither have the 'motion jerk' you complain of. It could well be that you need to play around with the settings on your TV as Martin has suggested.

Modern OLED TVs are almost perfect in contrast, viewing angle and colour veracity. They are also much cheaper to run as they use much less electricity than an old CRT TV. It will be almost impossible to find a CRT TV that comes close to the size of 43" (I think 36" is the maximum size).

[Pigmy Pony]

We have two flat screen TVs: a Sony and an LG. Neither have the 'motion jerk' you complain of. It could well be that you need to play around with the settings on your TV as Martin has suggested.

Modern OLED TVs are almost perfect in contrast, viewing angle and colour veracity. They are also much cheaper to run as they use much less electricity than an old CRT TV. It will be almost impossible to find a CRT TV that comes close to the size of 43" (I think 36" is the maximum size).

Yeah, we used to have a widescreen 32" Sony CRT. It was so big it had its own postcode. We had a convertible at the time, but putting the top down and planting the TV in the back was still a two man job.

I'd suggest Mike looks for an old plasma TV with low miles. We had a 42" Panasonic plasma about 15 years ago, brilliant picture quality and no motion issues.

[The Black Adder]

I bought a Sony bravia in 2020, and I think it's awful. One of the worst TVs I've ever bought. The sound is dreadful, it kept resetting and is now obsolete in respects of any updates. The apps are total crap, nothing new will run on it.

The only thing good is the picture quality . Might as well have just bought a panel unit to which I may do next.

I get around all the crapture using sky q and a soundbar.

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[Mikeandvan]

We have two flat screen TVs: a Sony and an LG. Neither have the 'motion jerk' you complain of. It could well be that you need to play around with the settings on your TV as Martin has suggested.

Modern OLED TVs are almost perfect in contrast, viewing angle and colour veracity. They are also much cheaper to run as they use much less electricity than an old CRT TV. It will be almost impossible to find a CRT TV that comes close to the size of 43" (I think 36" is the maximum size).

I can't even find the settings button on the remote as its all rubbed off after years of use!

[Pigmy Pony]

I can't even find the settings button on the remote as its all rubbed off after years of use!

:eek: On a five year-old remote? Your fingers must be made of sandpaper! Time for a new telly I think. I would have suggested you avoid getting another LG, but my last two were LGs, with no problems. The previous one (55" OLED) is now 9 years old and is still doing well in the spare bedroom, apart from a bit of 'screen burn'.

[dantheman91]

Do it old CRTs have a resurgence and much more reliable i have 5 now including a 2003 Sony Trinitron WEGA KD-28DX50U nicknamed Brutus :lol: didn't cost me anything was sat in my Aunties cupboard would you like this Yes Yes i would :lol:

[Macca]

Do it old CRTs have a resurgence and much more reliable i have 5 now including a 2003 Sony Trinitron WEGA KD-28DX50U nicknamed Brutus :lol: didn't cost me anything was sat in my Aunties cupboard would you like this Yes Yes i would :lol:

My uncle Alan had 4 TVs and 4 VCRs set up in his living room so he could watch and tape all 4 channels at the same time. I thought that was really cool but my mother would say 'I don't know how your aunt puts up with it.'

[Barry]

:eek: On a five year-old remote? Your fingers must be made of sandpaper! Time for a new telly I think. I would have suggested you avoid getting another LG, but my last two were LGs, with no problems. The previous one (55" OLED) is now 9 years old and is still doing well in the spare bedroom, apart from a bit of 'screen burn'.

The best OLED TVs are IMO made by either Sony or LG. 'Screen burn' can be avoided by arranging for the TV to automatically switch to standby (i.e. "off") after being on continuously for a given period of time.

CRT TVs are only making a 'resurgence', for the same reason compact cassettes; video tape recorders; film cameras, and old mobile phones are making a come back: nostalgia and wanting to be different by younger generations.

CRT are no longer made (at least for use in TVs), as they are difficult to make and use materials (such as lead) that are banned under modern health and safety regulation. They are expensive and difficult to manufacture; and the reason they are as good as they are is due to their 75-odd years of development, and cannot be improved any further.

[Macca]

Are CRT TVs making a resurgence? What are you basing that on?

[Pigmy Pony]

Some are probably being scooped out and made into tropical fish tanks.

Apart from better motion tracking, which seems to be important to Mike, I can't think of a single advantage to having one. Oh, apart from having a scart socket to plug your VHS recorder into.

[Macca]

Some are probably being scooped out and made into tropical fish tanks.

Apart from better motion tracking, which seems to be important to Mike, I can't think of a single advantage to having one. Oh, apart from having a scart socket to plug your VHS recorder into.

If someone really wants to do that they could get a scart to HDMI adaptor, about a tenner.

To my mind the only positive to living in the future is the giant, cheap TVs. Going back to a little CRT is chucking out the baby with the bathwater.

[Pigmy Pony]

Completely agree. We bought a 14" Sony Trinitron in about 1984, cost £299. That's about 1200 quid in today's money. Tucked into a corner of our 12 x 15ft lounge. How on earth could we see it, I don't know. My eyesight was better back then, but not that good.

[Macca]

Completely agree. We bought a 14" Sony Trinitron in about 1984, cost £299. That's about 1200 quid in today's money. Tucked into a corner of our 12 x 15ft lounge. How on earth could we see it, I don't know. My eyesight was better back then, but not that good.

I just used to sit really close - mind the broadcast didn't have anything like the definition it does these days so there wasn't that much to see anyway.

I mean you could make out whether it was Brucie or a dolly dealer on screen and that was all that mattered really. It's only films and the footie that's benefited most from the big screens.

[Pigmy Pony]

I just used to sit really close - mind the broadcast didn't have anything like the definition it does these days so there wasn't that much to see anyway.

I mean you could make out whether it was Brucie or a dolly dealer on screen and that was all that mattered really. It's only films and the footie that's benefited most from the big screens.

I remember my dad liked to watch the cricket on the telly. A more pointless televised sport you'd have struggled to find.

[Lawrence001]

I can't even find the settings button on the remote as its all rubbed off after years of use!I bought an LG TV a few weeks ago I love it. The only thing I wasn't happy with was the remote as it has a pointy mouse type interface. I got an older style OEM remote on Amazon for about £6 why don't you get one of those?

Unless it was faulty from purchase I'd agree with the others that you may have an odd setting or it's the source. Post the model number on here and I'll look at the manual.

[Tim]

Those 43" Pioneer and Panasonic plasma's were the business - a Panasonic Plasma was the last TV I owned.

[Pigmy Pony]

Those 43" Pioneer and Panasonic plasma's were the business - a Panasonic Plasma was the last TV I owned.

I agree - our Panasonic plasma (G5 something or other) was great - flesh tones perfect, made LED picture quality at the time look cartoonish, and proper black blacks. Only thing I didn't like was the tinny hollow sound, we had the a/v stuff running permanently.

[Mikeandvan]

I bought an LG TV a few weeks ago I love it. The only thing I wasn't happy with was the remote as it has a pointy mouse type interface. I got an older style OEM remote on Amazon for about £6 why don't you get one of those?

Unless it was faulty from purchase I'd agree with the others that you may have an odd setting or it's the source. Post the model number on here and I'll look at the manual.

Cheers man, here we go.

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[Barry]

Plasma TVs weren't perfect. Agreed the contrast was excellent, as was the viewing angle. But they ran hot; used more electricity; weren't as thin as modern OLED designs, and eventually suffered from burn-in 'banding', which would become permanent.

Regarding set up, regardless of technology one should aim for the blackest blacks, pure whites without any hint of colour and the most realistic flesh tones. It will never be absolutely perfect, but pretty dammed close. :)

[Macca]

Plasma TVs weren't perfect. Agreed the contrast was excellent, as was the viewing angle. But they ran hot; used more electricity; weren't as thin as modern OLED designs, and eventually suffered from burn-in 'banding', which would become permanent.

Regarding set up, regardless of technology one should aim for the blackest blacks, pure whites without any hint of colour and the most realistic flesh tones. It will never be absolutely perfect, but pretty dammed close. :)

They did run hot but a pal of mine has a Pioneer Plasma think it's a 60'' - lives in a modern (2002) house and it heats his whole house. Not a small house, either.

He did pay 5 grand for it though back when 5 grand was a lot of money.

[Lawrence001]

Cheers man, here we go.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/55442918894_e0f051f558.jpgI asked AI and got this. I suggest you play with the remote until you can work out which buttons are needed to change the settings or buy the cheap OEM one like I got.

A jerky or stuttering picture on your LG 43UM7500PLA is typically caused by the TV's processing trying to reconcile the frame rate of your video with the screen's refresh rate. This motion artifact is called judder. [1, 2]
The primary feature causing or correcting this is TruMotion (LG’s motion smoothing setting). You can smooth out the jerky movement by adjusting this feature through the following steps. [3, 4, 5, 6]
## How to access the TruMotion setting

1. Press the Settings (Gear Icon) button on your remote control.
2. Scroll down and select All Settings (the three vertical dots).
3. Select Picture, then click on Picture Mode Settings.
4. Scroll down and select Picture Options (on some webOS versions, this is under Advanced Settings -> Clarity).
5. Select TruMotion. [2, 7, 8, 9, 10]

## How to fix the jerkiness
Once you are in the TruMotion menu, select one of the following configurations depending on what looks best to your eyes: [7, 11, 12, 13]

* The Quick Fix (Smooth): Change the setting to Smooth. This applies maximum processing to eliminate all jerkiness, though it may cause a slight "soap opera effect" where movies look overly fluid like home videos. [3, 7, 9, 14, 15]
* The Balanced Fix (User Mode): Change the setting to User. This opens two manual sliders. Set De-Judder to 3 or 4 and leave De-Blur at 0. This usually eliminates the jerky stutter during camera pans without making the picture look artificial. [2, 16, 17, 18]
* The Natural Fix (Cinematic Motion / Clear): Change the setting to Clear or Cinematic Motion (depending on your firmware version). This removes erratic stutter while preserving the original cinematic feel of movies. [7, 19, 20]

## Additional Settings to Check
If TruMotion does not fix it, navigate back to the Picture Options menu and ensure that Real Cinema is toggled ON. This forces the TV to match the exact 24 frames-per-second standard used in movies, stopping video processing playback conflicts. [1, 2, 21, 22, 23]
Does the jerkiness happen on all apps and inputs (like Netflix and cable), or is it only happening on a specific device like a gaming console or cable box?

[1] [https://www.reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED/comments/188050g/weird_jerky_motion_from_new_oled_tv/)
[2] [https://www.youtube.com](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufE9gX_nHoc)
[3] [https://www.youtube.com](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPO0IKaGTCU)
[4] [https://www.justanswer.com](https://www.justanswer.com/tv-repair/d35o1-lg-tv-picture-suddenly-began-kind-jerky-when.html)
[5] [https://www.whathifi.com](https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-to-turn-off-motion-smoothing-on-your-tv)
[6] [https://www.pocket-lint.com](https://www.pocket-lint.com/how-to-turn-off-motion-smoothing-on-an-lg-tv/)
[7] [https://www.lg.com](https://www.lg.com/ca_en/support/product-support/troubleshoot/help-library/cs-CT52001643-20152615269924/)
[8] [https://www.lg.com](https://www.lg.com/in/support/product-support/troubleshoot/help-library/cs-CT52006899-20155191916419/)
[9] [https://www.youtube.com](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGcGBgVHw1I)
[10] [https://www.howtogeek.com](https://www.howtogeek.com/402242/how-to-disable-motion-smoothing-on-an-lg-tv/)
[11] [https://www.youtube.com](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufE9gX_nHoc)
[12] [https://www.pocket-lint.com](https://www.pocket-lint.com/how-to-turn-off-motion-smoothing-on-an-lg-tv/)
[13] [https://www.whathifi.com](https://www.whathifi.com/advice/9-essential-but-simple-picture-settings-to-get-the-best-out-of-your-lg-c3-or-g3-oled-tv)
[14] [https://www.howtogeek.com](https://www.howtogeek.com/309443/why-some-scenes-in-your-favorite-action-movies-look-jerky/)
[15] [https://www.pcmag.com](https://www.pcmag.com/explainers/why-your-tv-makes-everything-look-like-a-soap-opera-how-to-fix-it-in-seconds)
[16] [https://www.xda-developers.com](https://www.xda-developers.com/i-changed-one-refresh-rate-setting-on-my-tv-action-sequence-felt-crisp-again/)
[17] [https://www.avforums.com](https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-oled55b8slc-trumotion-pixilation-judder-wrong-tv-choice-or-bad-setup.2206889/)
[18] [https://support.sky.ch](https://support.sky.ch/hc/en-us/articles/10949273996572-Jerky-or-choppy-image-on-my-LG-TV)
[19] [https://www.lg.com](https://www.lg.com/ca_en/support/product-support/troubleshoot/help-library/cs-CT52001643-20152615269924/)
[20] [https://www.whathifi.com](https://www.whathifi.com/advice/9-essential-but-simple-picture-settings-to-get-the-best-out-of-your-lg-c3-or-g3-oled-tv)
[21] [https://support.sky.ch](https://support.sky.ch/hc/en-us/articles/10949273996572-Jerky-or-choppy-image-on-my-LG-TV)
[22] [https://www.eizoglobal.com](https://www.eizoglobal.com/support/glossary/j/judder/index.html)
[23] [https://www.reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1dhsh6b/why_do_movies_fells_laggy_when_camera_is_moving/)

[Pigmy Pony]

Good grief Lawrence, you are the man! Mike, over to you :)

[Lawrence001]

Not me you can praise Gemini (I think that's what it's called if you use AI on Chrome)

[mik_rik]

They did run hot but a pal of mine has a Pioneer Plasma think it's a 60'

I have a Pioneer plasma, 50"( PDP-LX5090) no way will I part with it.
ps It's not smart ,but neither am I

[Mikeandvan]

Not me you can praise Gemini (I think that's what it's called if you use AI on Chrome)

Thanks for that buddy, on it now.

[Mikeandvan]

Thought I levelled it but it looks slightly down on the left, think you can adjust it anyways.

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[Mikeandvan]

After a quick watch of The Innocents - again! ( I keep falling asleep and missing the end, hint, it's not a happy one), that seems to have done the trick, turning off the trumotion thing, Interestingly, I read the What Hifi link Lawrence kindly provided and it said that this issue was known as 'the Soap opera effect', and that's exactly what I thought of when I was watching, that it somehow looked as a soap opera appears, weird, why is that? I'll give Aliens a spin now and see how that pans out.

[Mikeandvan]

Watched 'Aliens' last night and it was great, just like on the old TVs, only sharper, can't believe this 'trumotion' thing is an improvement, the improvement comes from switching it off! No need to hunt down an old CRT TV now, sorted.

[Lawrence001]

Glad you got it sorted Mike. A lot of these features they add make things worse. Some would say the same about over/up sampling in DACs but that's probably more subjective. If the music kept juddering I'm not sure anyone would think it sounded better [emoji23]

[Mikeandvan]

Glad you got it sorted Mike. A lot of these features they add make things worse. Some would say the same about over/up sampling in DACs but that's probably more subjective. If the music kept juddering I'm not sure anyone would think it sounded better [emoji23]

My wifi was connected yesterday so I watched a few episodes of Peep Show on Channel 4, and the faster movements in it looked odd, and juddered, so I put the trumotion back on and it solved it, but with DVDs, its better off. May be with older films in when streaming too, I'll have to see.

[Magna Audio]

I can't even find the settings button on the remote as its all rubbed off after years of use!Most TVs etc have Android etc apps you can control then with via your Swiss Army Phone, assuming they are WiFi or Lan connected..

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