Internal phono stage on Sugden A21L vs Slee Era V

[Mikeandvan]

So, after owning this Suggie for about 2 yrs now I finally got around to changing the internal phono stage from mc to mm, which required less technical skill than changing TV channels with the remote. Been using a Slee era V Gold with its PSU 1 ps. I'll be listening intensely for the next few days, but was wondering on the basic facts on onboard vs offboard phono stages, all things being equal, wouldn't an on board stage be better due to direct cabling from record player to amp?

Be nice to have a one box option, but if the Slee is better then, of course, silly to get rid of it. So we'll see if there's any noticeable difference.

[Macca]

No I don't think so as it's a line level signal.

Signal from turntable to phono stage is the most vulnerable to corruption as it's very low voltage.

I don't know but I'd like to think that Sugden fit a fairly competent phono stage given the price of the amp.

[hifi_dave]

You can't generalise as there are good, bad and indifferent of each. If anything, the best phono stages are separate units.

[Barry]

Stand alone phono stages have the advantage of being able to be situated close to the cartridge; expecially if they are powered by a separate DC power supply. This arrangement shortens the vulnerable low-level signal path between cartridge and phonostage.

[Mikeandvan]

Stand alone phono stages have the advantage of being able to be situated close to the cartridge; expecially if they are powered by a separate DC power supply. This arrangement shortens the vulnerable low-level signal path between cartridge and phonostage.

what on earth does that mean?

[Mikeandvan]

No I don't think so as it's a line level signal.

Signal from turntable to phono stage is the most vulnerable to corruption as it's very low voltage.

I don't know but I'd like to think that Sugden fit a fairly competent phono stage given the price of the amp.

what do you mean by that?

[Macca]

what do you mean by that?

The electrical signal from the cartridge is at a very low voltage ( with MM about 5 millivolts) so it is more affected by noise (mostly RFI) between the deck and the phono stage (which will amplify the signal to a higher voltage).

As Barry says ideally you want as short a run of cable as possible from cartridge to phono stage to minimise RFI pick up.

The phono stage will probably put out around 2 volts - a much more robust signal - so the distance from the phono stage to the next stage (pre-amp or integrated amp) is much less critical.

[Mikeandvan]

The electrical signal from the cartridge is at a very low voltage ( with MM about 5 millivolts) so it is more affected by noise (mostly RFI) between the deck and the phono stage (which will amplify the signal to a higher voltage).

As Barry says ideally you want as short a run of cable as possible from cartridge to phono stage to minimise RFI pick up.

The phono stage will probably put out around 2 volts - a much more robust signal - so the distance from the phono stage to the next stage (pre-amp or integrated amp) is much less critical.

OK, I'll try it, bet it makes no difference though! A bit like different record mats, clamps, spiked support stnads, and all other 'tricks of the mind'.

[CageyH]

The Slee Era V Gold is a good stage, but not “the best” he offers.
It all depends on what you are looking for, and will come down to personal preference.

[Pigmy Pony]

The Slee Era V Gold is a good stage, but not “the best” he offers.
It all depends on what you are looking for, and will come down to personal preference.

That is another advantage of using a stand alone phono stage - many of them come with a range of adjustments for gain, capacitance, etc. Some settings will be necessary for your particular cartridge, some may give you a small degree of tweaking to your personal taste.

[Mikeandvan]

The Slee Era V Gold is a good stage, but not “the best” he offers.
It all depends on what you are looking for, and will come down to personal preference.

My carts are only AT95s, eheheheheh, they;re pretty good though.

[Mikeandvan]

Welly welly well then, I took the advice of Barry & Macca, sounds like a 70s duo. I put .5M phono cables on the 1210, and connect up to either suggie or Slee, and it emitted a slight hum, so I took it off straight away, why wuz dat I wunder? ? ? So reconnected the standard phonos - 1M and it all sounds find, better than before in fact, I think, why? I put the amp on the far end of the table, with the cd in teh middle , whereas before it was in the middle, does that make a difference? Probably not, but for some reason it's all sounding dandy now, or may be its me?
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