'Static crackles' with my phono stage

[Pigmy Pony]

What might this be all about?

My current phono stage has for some time been responsible for a crackling sound coming through the speakers whenever I lift a record off the platter, sounds like static. Didn't really bother me much, and everything was otherwise ok.

A few weeks ago a fellow forum member lent me a spare phono stage that wasn't getting used. And very nice it is too, should be at about four or five times the value of mine. I never even noticed that the 'crackling' was no more using this phono stage.

Now I have swapped them back, reinstating mine (a ProJect Tube Box), and of course the crackling is back. Any clues? Is there an easy fix, or should I just live with it, as I have done for the last couple of years?

But being super-critical I also note that when using 'phono' (actually the stage going into 'tuner' input on my amp, there is a 'noise floor' audible when I turn the volume up with no record playing. Sounds like distant ocean waves. When I select CD there is no background noise, it is silent. Maybe I have just found the limitations of an otherwise excellent performer (for the money).

[walpurgis]

Make sure plugs and sockets are a firm fit and give them a clean with a cotton bud lightly damped with meths (no taking sips mind :)).

[Macca]

could be a dodgy valve.

[Barry]

Experiment with the earthing of the deck and tonearm. Try earthing the arm at the amplifier end rather than at the phonostage. No guarantee - but you have nothing to loose.

If it is 'static', how do you clean the record before playing?

[Magna Audio]

Static implies it sounds more like interference from outside rather than internal problem?

But..

Is it one channel or both?
If one channel, try swapping the valves over.
If still same then suspect other than valve.

Good practice to clean pins / socket with some switch cleaner spray on the pins.
Socket is harder as too small for cotton bud.
Usually works to apply to the pins of the valve and insert / remove a few times.

Other than this, if you are a DIY guy / can observe High Voltage electronic practises - one hand always behind your back[emoji846] / unplugged, caps discharged etc) -
investigate the soldering on the wires to the socket (could be a dry joint).

Then investigate the signal path joints.

Valve stages / amps are fairly simple.
Not that expensive to replace every passive component, once valves, transformers & connections are discounted.

[Mikeandvan]

A clear case of a haunting, needs exorcism, contact a local priest.

[Pigmy Pony]

Thanks for the suggestions guys, I will work my way through the ones that fall within the limits of my abilities :)

[AJSki2fly]

What might this be all about?

My current phono stage has for some time been responsible for a crackling sound coming through the speakers whenever I lift a record off the platter, sounds like static. Didn't really bother me much, and everything was otherwise ok.

A few weeks ago a fellow forum member lent me a spare phono stage that wasn't getting used. And very nice it is too, should be at about four or five times the value of mine. I never even noticed that the 'crackling' was no more using this phono stage.

Now I have swapped them back, reinstating mine (a ProJect Tube Box), and of course the crackling is back. Any clues? Is there an easy fix, or should I just live with it, as I have done for the last couple of years?

But being super-critical I also note that when using 'phono' (actually the stage going into 'tuner' input on my amp, there is a 'noise floor' audible when I turn the volume up with no record playing. Sounds like distant ocean waves. When I select CD there is no background noise, it is silent. Maybe I have just found the limitations of an otherwise excellent performer (for the money).

Several thoughts, valve are susceptible to several things, microphonicsm RF and induced Electro Magnetic hum from EMF. 6922 valves are quite notorious for microphonics. this is basically caused by vibrations in the valve usually caused by loud air born vibration(music) most common in guitar amps, however as valves get older they can become more susceptible to this I believe.

The whooshing sound(ocean waves) you describe I have also experienced, I spent a great deal of time trying to completely eradicate this, swapping valves and checking earths, sometimes it would be worse than others, I went through the process of switching off and unplugging every other piece of equipment in the house in case it was and earth loop/feedback issue, whatever I tried I could not completely eradicate it.:scratch:

However for the past 2 weeks I have been trying out various cables in my system to see if I can get an improvement in sound and presentation, yes I know that age old arguments is a cable is a cable, but I know from experience that different types of cables, material and construction, can cause tonal changes to a system and how music is presented. You may scoff but it is true.

Anyway back to your problem, as a result of cable swapping I came across two different issues, firstly when I put in a quite expensive cable I was trialing between the phono stage amp and the pre-amp, this caused a hum and you could see the speaker drivers moving at a 50hz frequency if you turned it up, swap the cables for some others and no issues. I came to the conclusion the cables are susceptible to induced mains pick up, I tried moving all mains leads as far away from then as possible but no joy, the cable works fine from pre-amp to power amp and no hum.

Next I wanted to use a very short Chord Anthem Reference cable from my phono stage to my pre-amp to do this I had to move my phono stag amp up 2 shelves, and re-route a load of other cables. The instant I switched on the original whooshing sound(ocean waves) was completely gone and I had a silent sound floor, this is quite import to get the best atoning experience from a system. The difference is quite significant and well worth the effort.

So my advice would be first mover the phono stage as far away from all other equipment and mains leads as you can, and see if the whooshing sound(ocean waves) goes or gets less, also try several different interconnects from other manufacturers and see if they improve matters, you want a good well shield one. As others have said check and play around with earths, and last of all try a pair of different valves.

Good luck.:)

[Pigmy Pony]

Several thoughts, valve are susceptible to several things, microphonicsm RF and induced Electro Magnetic hum from EMF. 6922 valves are quite notorious for microphonics. this is basically caused by vibrations in the valve usually caused by loud air born vibration(music) most common in guitar amps, however as valves get older they can become more susceptible to this I believe.

The whooshing sound(ocean waves) you describe I have also experienced, I spent a great deal of time trying to completely eradicate this, swapping valves and checking earths, sometimes it would be worse than others, I went through the process of switching off and unplugging every other piece of equipment in the house in case it was and earth loop/feedback issue, whatever I tried I could not completely eradicate it.:scratch:

However for the past 2 weeks I have been trying out various cables in my system to see if I can get an improvement in sound and presentation, yes I know that age old arguments is a cable is a cable, but I know from experience that different types of cables, material and construction, can cause tonal changes to a system and how music is presented. You may scoff but it is true.

Anyway back to your problem, as a result of cable swapping I came across two different issues, firstly when I put in a quite expensive cable I was trialing between the phono stage amp and the pre-amp, this caused a hum and you could see the speaker drivers moving at a 50hz frequency if you turned it up, swap the cables for some others and no issues. I came to the conclusion the cables are susceptible to induced mains pick up, I tried moving all mains leads as far away from then as possible but no joy, the cable works fine from pre-amp to power amp and no hum.

Next I wanted to use a very short Chord Anthem Reference cable from my phono stage to my pre-amp to do this I had to move my phono stag amp up 2 shelves, and re-route a load of other cables. The instant I switched on the original whooshing sound(ocean waves) was completely gone and I had a silent sound floor, this is quite import to get the best atoning experience from a system. The difference is quite significant and well worth the effort.

So my advice would be first mover the phono stage as far away from all other equipment and mains leads as you can, and see if the whooshing sound(ocean waves) goes or gets less, also try several different interconnects from other manufacturers and see if they improve matters, you want a good well shield one. As others have said check and play around with earths, and last of all try a pair of different valves.

Good luck.:)

Thanks Adrian, a few things to think about there.

But the 'whooshing' sound I get (perfect description of the sound btw), is really very faint, and inaudible when volume is set at moderate levels. It's just that it is audible when I turn the volume to levels I wouldn't dare go to, compared to the CD input which is completely silent.

The issue that was really bothering me more was the static noise whenever I lift a record off the platter. It did occur to me earlier that it could possibly be from me and the carpet which was fitted earlier this year. And with that in mind I was wondering if one of those 'Zerostat' guns might be worth trying. Or even try handling with rubber gloves on! What do you think? Any experience with these anti-stat guns?

[Barry]

If those Zerostat guns are not used correctly they will cause more harm than good.
Use a carbon fibre record brush held in one hand with the other hand touching the metalwork of the turntable.

Another tip is to have a well watered pot plant near your turntable.

[Pigmy Pony]

If those Zerostat guns are not used correctly they will cause more harm than good.
Use a carbon fibre record brush held in one hand with the other hand touching the metalwork of the turntable.

Another tip is to have a well watered pot plant near your turntable.

I did read up on those Zerostat guns, and it seems no one can agree on how best to use them, so I think I'll pass. But the carbon fibre brushes sound like they would be worth a try.

[CageyH]

Overusing a brush will create static as it rubs against the surface.

[Barry]

Overusing a brush will create static as it rubs against the surface.

Not if you use a brush with carbon fibre bristles, and 'complete the circuit' with your free hand touching the metalwork of the turntable. Also the brush is only pressed lightly down on the record surface for one or two revolutions.

Avoid using felt mats: rubber mats full of carbon black are better.

Removing the record gently from the inner sleeve will also help, as does using 'anti-static' inner sleeves.

[Pigmy Pony]

Not if you use a brush with carbon fibre bristles, and 'complete the circuit' with your free hand touching the metalwork of the turntable. Also the brush is only pressed lightly down on the record surface for one or two revolutions.

Avoid using felt mats: rubber mats full of carbon black are better.

Removing the record gently from the inner sleeve will also help, as does using 'anti-static' inner sleeves.

The turntable was supplied with no mat, and is intended to be used that way. And I've never felt inclined to use a mat - I'm sure the manufacturer knows more about this stuff than me.

Thinking about it, the issue is about as old as our new replacement carpet. Carbon fibre brush my next purchase then. Any to recommend, Any to avoid?

[Barry]

What is the platter made of?

The record brush I use is made by Decca, but I doubt if they are available anymore.

[Pigmy Pony]

What is the platter made of?

The record brush I use is made by Decca, but I doubt if they are available anymore.

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This is the model. Spec says 'double billet aluminium platter'.

[AJSki2fly]

The turntable was supplied with no mat, and is intended to be used that way. And I've never felt inclined to use a mat - I'm sure the manufacturer knows more about this stuff than me.

Thinking about it, the issue is about as old as our new replacement carpet. Carbon fibre brush my next purchase then. Any to recommend, Any to avoid?

So I have two brushes, a Pro-Ject carbon fibre one and a simple velvet one like this. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Antistatic-Velvet-Vinyl-Record-Cleaning/dp/B01AKAHF52/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2PCLHD9VO1NZ7&keywords=record+brush+for+vinyl&qid=1701519421&sprefix=record+brush%2Caps%2C140&sr=8-3

I have virtually stopped using the carbon fibre brush as it was and does induce static into the records, if I clean with it and the move it to the spindle and let the metal part touch it you can hear the static discharge to earth.

A friend gave me the simple velvet brush and this removes dust very well and I find does not induce static.

An audiophile friend has a Zerostat recently purchased to replace the broken one he had from the 70's, personally I do not rate them much.

As Barry says ensuring that the TT is properly earthed and you or the record cleaner is earthed when you clean the record on the TT is important. I believe some platters can generate a static charge as they spin much like a Van De Graff generator:eek:, so very important that they are properly earthed. Might be worth having a chat with TT supplier or manufacturer to see if they are aware of any issues with static build up.

[Magna Audio]

The problem going away with a different phonostage and back again with your Project implies its the phonostage or connectivity thereof.

From what you more recently describe,
I'd focus in on the earthing / recreate placement, cabling as far as possible etc that you had with the loaner one.

It sounds like the loaner phonostage could deal with it, whereas your Project can't. Question is why / how are they different?
Can you close / eliminate the gap?