Hearing loss and audiophiles

[andyrlb]

An interesting read for older audiophiles and our hearing ( pinched from the wam )

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4437822


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[Macca]

Don't understand - that paper doesn't appear to be about hearing loss?

[andyrlb]

Don't understand - that paper doesn't appear to be about hearing loss?

Ok omit the “loss “


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[Macca]

I had a look but it's all above my pay grade.

I know Kuncher has published a couple of previous papers relating to 'high resolution' audio and 'time smear' which have since been discredited.

[Barry]

It's above my pay grade as well, but I find some of the claims unbelievable: hairs in the cochlea that can detect movement of the eardrum of less than a thousandth of an atomic diameter, and of the ear being capable of making resolutions to parts in 10^40!

[narabdela]

I know Kuncher has published a couple of previous papers relating to 'high resolution' audio and 'time smear' which have since been discredited.

Good point! I'd forgotten about that. I remember reading a few years ago about the scientific community debunking some of his research.

He seems to have his followers though.

[AJSki2fly]

I read it and found it somewhat challenging, and well beyond my pay scale. But I looked further and found these.

https://phys.org/news/2013-02-human-fourier-uncertainty-principle.html

https://physicsworld.com/a/human-hearing-is-highly-nonlinear/

So my understanding is the ear/brain is doing some incredible stuff and we can hear very small difference and do it quite accurately.

So maybe using your ears to decided if you like your system is the best way. :scratch:

[Macca]

we don't really 'use' our ears though they are just passive receptors. I mean you can't decide whether to hear or not.

We don't get to decide whether we like something or not. if I could decide to like porridge (the food not the TV show) then I would as it's a healthy, cheap breakfast.

We more sort of observe ourselves liking something or disliking it but it's not in our control.

I know when I like my system or not as I notice myself liking it (or not). In the past, after a major supposed upgrade I have noticed myself not liking it. Then I get into denial and my conscious mind tells the unconscious 'No it sounds great really.'

That goes on for a week or two until conscious mind finally accepts it sounds crap and the upgrade gets ripped out.

I've also done that thing of changing something and marvelling at the improvement only to later discover I didn't change anything.

Brains are crap as audio analysers really or at least mine is.

[willbewill]

Weird I was just reading another topic about hearing on Lenco Heaven them popped over here and saw this.

[Pigmy Pony]

we don't really 'use' our ears though they are just passive receptors. I mean you can't decide whether to hear or not.

We don't get to decide whether we like something or not. if I could decide to like porridge (the food not the TV show) then I would as it's a healthy, cheap breakfast.

We more sort of observe ourselves liking something or disliking it but it's not in our control.

I know when I like my system or not as I notice myself liking it (or not). In the past, after a major supposed upgrade I have noticed myself not liking it. Then I get into denial and my conscious mind tells the unconscious 'No it sounds great really.'

That goes on for a week or two until conscious mind finally accepts it sounds crap and the upgrade gets ripped out.

I've also done that thing of changing something and marvelling at the improvement only to later discover I didn't change anything.

Brains are crap as audio analysers really or at least mine is.

I hear what you're saying and have decided I agree.

[AJSki2fly]

we don't really 'use' our ears though they are just passive receptors. I mean you can't decide whether to hear or not.

We don't get to decide whether we like something or not. if I could decide to like porridge (the food not the TV show) then I would as it's a healthy, cheap breakfast.

We more sort of observe ourselves liking something or disliking it but it's not in our control.

I know when I like my system or not as I notice myself liking it (or not). In the past, after a major supposed upgrade I have noticed myself not liking it. Then I get into denial and my conscious mind tells the unconscious 'No it sounds great really.'

That goes on for a week or two until conscious mind finally accepts it sounds crap and the upgrade gets ripped out.

I've also done that thing of changing something and marvelling at the improvement only to later discover I didn't change anything.

Brains are crap as audio analysers really or at least mine is.


I see what your hearing and decided not to agree.

[Macca]

I see what your hearing and decided not to agree.

I have no control over the fact that I disagree with your disagreement.

[AJSki2fly]

I have no control over the fact that I disagree with your disagreement.

But is it a fact that “I hear what you’re saying” or that ‘I see what you hear’. Or I could just be hearing and saying what you are saying and hearing but don’t know if it’s the same or different.

[Barry]

I see what your hearing and decided not to agree.

How can you 'see' what someone is 'hearing'?

All one can do is agree or disagree with the logic of the statement. In this case it is Martin's statement that we have no real control over whether we like certain sensory inputs.
A statement with which I agree.

[Pigmy Pony]

Thanks guys, just when my migraine was leaving :(

[AJSki2fly]

How can you 'see' what someone is 'hearing'?

All one can do is agree or disagree with the logic of the statement. In this case it is Martin's statement that we have no real control over whether we like certain sensory inputs.
A statement with which I agree.

Barry, I think my attempt at ironic humour has been lost to you, never mind.[emoji8]


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[Barry]

Barry, I think my attempt at ironic humour has been lost to you, never mind.[emoji8]


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There was nothing ironic about it; an attempt perhaps to be humorous but sorry, no irony. :ner:

[AJSki2fly]

There was nothing ironic about it; an attempt perhaps to be humorous but sorry, no irony. :ner:

noun The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
noun An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
noun Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs.
noun An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity.
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[Barry]

I'm well aware of the meaning of the word 'ironic'. Your example satisfied none of the dictionary definitions you quote.

[Puffin]

Barry, I think my attempt at ironic humour has been lost to you, never mind.[emoji8]


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These last few posts have given me the best laugh in ages!

[Stranraer]

I mean you can't decide whether to hear or not. My girlfriend begs to differ

[Pigmy Pony]

noun The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
noun An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
noun Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs.
noun An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity.
[emoji2]


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:doh: You should know better than debating words with Barry - you'd be safer telling Gordon Ramsay it needs ketchup on it!

[Macca]

My girlfriend begs to differ

:D