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oceanobsession
11-09-2010, 14:28
Can anyone recomend the above cables and has anyone compared them

to these Canare LV61S which are cheaper £21

DSJR
11-09-2010, 14:57
Marco did, right at the beginning a year ago and found the HD1000's better.


[edit] - Look at Marco's posts on this around a year ago. He'd been using the Canare and rated it highly before trying the HD1000 at one of the MAD bashes. They compared well with the MAD wires costing very much more I believe from memory.

Note to What HiFi - decent cables tend to sound "quieter" in high frequencies. Not muffled, but not having the grain, hash and "splatter" that so many cheaper cables have. The HD1000's just sound "right" and more like dealer bought £500 interconnects (with massive dealer margins...)

chris@panteg
11-09-2010, 16:00
Not compared them myself, but i have the G1000HD's and they are as good or better than any cable i have used .

For example

Audioquest Quartz and Ruby

Cambridge Azur reference

Living Voice LV

Deltec Slink

Translucent by Classique sounds (Paul Greenfield) very good these

Buy the MG's with confidence:)

oceanobsession
12-09-2010, 15:44
Hi all, ive just purchased these cables they will be used for the following

1. preamp to monoblocks avi s2000 series

2. pioneer turntable pl71 to preamp

3. musical fidelity x dac v3 to pre amp

Would these cables suit my needs thanks phil

Alex_UK
12-09-2010, 18:12
I went from the MG Canares to G1000HD (from DAC to amp) - a great improvement, I bought the Canare to replace another cable (can't remember what it was) and it wasn't hugely different though still good, whereas the G1000HD in my application was in a different league. You made the right choice Phil, they should be excellent in your system I think.

DSJR
12-09-2010, 19:07
It'll be interesting to see how the AVI deals with them. Originally, AVI suggested the amps were at the speakers and the preamp had a very low output impedance and current capacity to drive these long interconnects without any stress. Since several metres of HD1000 cables won't be cheap, I'd suggest the Van Damme microphone cable if ever you wanted to try this.

All AVI asked is that the source to preamp cables were as short as possible and very low capacitance.. I used a baby "75 Ohm" version of the HD cables with solid copper core and good shielding.

As for the rest, perfect :)

jbloggs
14-09-2010, 10:39
Just wondering if anybody has the Mark Grant G2000HD (http://markgrantcables.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=43_1&products_id=217) interconnects in their system, a few questions about it:

1) What separates are you using it worth?

2) What interconnects did it replace?

3) Did you notice an improvement in sound quality/listening experience and if so what was the improvement, or did it sound worse than you previous interconnects?

4) Is it worth the extra £100+ over the Mark Grant G1000HD (http://markgrantcables.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=43_1&products_id=165)?

5) Do you think there are any "better" interconnects around for the same price (or less) than the Mark Grant G2000HD?

The interconnects I am looking to replace are the Fisual Havana Audio (http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/dynamic/eshop_products.set/ref/2881/fisual-havana-audio-stereo-phono-cable/display.html) which connects my Audio-GD DAC-19MK3 to my Roksan Kandy K2 (int amp), my system is as follows:

Logitech Touch->QED Performance Optical->Audio-GD DAC-19MK3->Fisual Havana Audio->Roksan Kandy K2 (int amp)->Van Damme Studio Grade Blue Speaker Cable 2 x 4mm->PMC DB1S+

Thanks..

Marco
14-09-2010, 11:13
Hi 'jbloggs',

Welcome to AOS :)

Before we help with your query, could you please pop into the Welcome area and introduce yourself to our community by supplying your first name, basic geographic location, system details and music tastes, as this is the requirement for all new members joining AOS.

Cheers! :cool:

Marco.

jbloggs
14-09-2010, 11:27
Hi 'jbloggs',

Welcome to AOS :)

Before we help with your query, could you please pop into the Welcome area and introduce yourself to our community by supplying your first name, basic geographic location, system details and music tastes, as this is the requirement for all new members joining AOS.

Cheers! :cool:

Marco.

Ah right, thanks for making me aware of the forum protocol of introduction before serious posting...

Some words of introduction... (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?p=150243#post150243)

DSJR
14-09-2010, 13:48
Ah right, thanks for making me aware of the forum protocol of introduction before serious posting...

Some words of introduction... (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?p=150243#post150243)

Don't take that request badly. many of us oldies knew each other from other forums, many going back ten to fifteen years or more I believe. I like to think we all enjoy a good yarn and a nosey around each others setups (not mine, but I can think of others here ;)).

Regarding the costs of the same wire with different plugs on, i went for the easy cantral route of the HD1500 with neutriks, as I use these plugs in my own home made cables and trust them implicitly. Perhaps my system and especially my ears aren't good enough for WBT's, but the standard £65 product is better than, say, a Chord Chorus at £200 (fully stocked dealers buy it for £80 = 60% profit margin).

jbloggs
14-09-2010, 14:07
but the standard £65 product is better than, say, a Chord Chorus at £200

The G1000HD certainly seems to be a real good value "product"...have found a few words written on these different cables (Here (http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0710/mark_grant_g1000hd.htm), Here (http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com/02/06/2010/mark-grant-g1000hd-are-these-cables-as-good-as-some-say-they-are/) and Here (http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1125761)), but nothing like getting "real" feedback from "an ordinary Joe" so to speak, hence my post...

Alex_UK
14-09-2010, 14:33
Hi Alister - did your searching not bring up this thread? - http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4387&highlight=g1000hd - plenty of info in there.

jbloggs
14-09-2010, 16:35
Hi Alister - did your searching not bring up this thread? - http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4387&highlight=g1000hd - plenty of info in there.

In this post there is plenty on the G1000HD interconnects, but there is very little on the G2000HD, it is only mentioned in passing (and only some tech info) on 4 occasions, Here (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?p=145955&highlight=G2000HD#post145955), Here (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?p=145846&highlight=G2000HD#post145846), Here (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?p=145762&highlight=G2000HD#post145762) and Here (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?p=145758&highlight=G2000HD#post145758), there is no mention of anybody actually using them and any kind of comparison with the G1000HD or their previous interconnects etc...this is the kind of info I am looking for from an "ordinary" user, not from a (semi)professional review, 3 off which I have already read...although there was a bit of usage feedback in one of them (Here (http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1125761))...

Marco
14-09-2010, 16:35
Hi Alister,

Thanks for introducing yourself properly. We like to interact with others on friendly first name terms here :)

I've been using G2000HDs for a while, so allow me to answer your questions:


Just wondering if anybody has the Mark Grant G2000HD (http://markgrantcables.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=43_1&products_id=217) interconnects in their system, a few questions about it:

1) What separates are you using it worth?


See the system in my signature.


2) What interconnects did it replace?


G1000HDs, and those replaced £850 Transparent References!


3) Did you notice an improvement in sound quality/listening experience and if so what was the improvement, or did it sound worse than you previous interconnects?


Going from the Transparents to the G1000HDs was a revelation, and also a massive learning curve, as it taught me how much bullshit there is in the so-called 'hi-end' cable market, where most of your money goes on paying to own a 'desirable badge'!

The G1000HDs showed how coloured the Transparents were, and how much musical information I had been missing on my favourite recordings. There is basically no 'sound' to these cables; they simply act as a near perfect conduit that transfers the music signal from one component to another within your system, which is *all* a good cable should do.

Basically, they're as near to sonically neutral as you can get and impose almost no character of their own on the sound. Therefore don't buy them if you're the sort who uses cables as tone controls! The G1000HDs act as a veritable 'open window on to the music'. You'll have heard that many times before, but this time it's TRUE!


4) Is it worth the extra £100+ over the Mark Grant G1000HD (http://markgrantcables.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=43_1&products_id=165)?


Absolutely. The G2000HDs behave just like the G1000HDs, only less so! What I mean by this is that they have even less of a sonic signature than the G1000HDs, so that means even more detail and transparency. You will be shocked and stunned at just how good your system sounds (provided no hidden problems were being masked before with your previous cables) and how much (previously unheard) information is on your favourite discs (or files). G2000HDs will reveal the full capabilities of your system.

In effect, G1000HDs, at £65 a pop, outperformed my £850 Transparent Reference interconnects. G2000HDs, take that many steps further, and in my experience I wouldn't hesitate to say that they would compete with, and in some cases outperform, any interconnect cable on the market you care to name - yes honestly they are, scarily for their competitors, *that* good! :)


5) Do you think there are any "better" interconnects around for the same price (or less) than the Mark Grant G2000HD?


That's an almost impossible question to answer. Cables are very system dependent, so what works well in one system may not work as well in another. However, I'd say that if you have a well put together and set-up system and simply want to hear what it's capable of sonically and musically to maximum effect, then I've yet to hear better cables for the job than G2000HDs...

Buy with confidence :cool:

Marco.

Alex_UK
14-09-2010, 17:18
Sorry Alistair I misread your post :doh:

jbloggs
14-09-2010, 19:26
Hi Alister,

Thanks for introducing yourself properly. We like to interact with others on friendly first name terms here :)

I've been using G2000HDs for a while, so allow me to answer your questions:



See the system in my signature.



G1000HDs, and those replaced £850 Transparent References!



Going from the Transparents to the G1000HDs was a revelation, and also a massive learning curve, as it taught me how much bullshit there is in the so-called 'hi-end' cable market, where most of your money goes on paying to own a 'desirable badge'!

The G1000HDs showed how coloured the Transparents were, and how much musical information I had been missing on my favourite recordings. There is basically no 'sound' to these cables; they simply act as a near perfect conduit that transfers the music signal from one component to another within your system, which is *all* a good cable should do.

Basically, they're as near to sonically neutral as you can get and impose almost no character of their own on the sound. Therefore don't buy them if you're the sort who uses cables as tone controls! The G1000HDs act as a veritable 'open window on to the music'. You'll have heard that many times before, but this time it's TRUE!



Absolutely. The G2000HDs behave just like the G1000HDs, only less so! What I mean by this is that they have even less of a sonic signature than the G1000HDs, so that means even more detail and transparency. You will be shocked and stunned at just how good your system sounds (provided no hidden problems were being masked before with your previous cables) and how much (previously unheard) information is on your favourite discs (or files). G2000HDs will reveal the full capabilities of your system.

In effect, G1000HDs, at £65 a pop, outperformed my £850 Transparent Reference interconnects. G2000HDs, take that many steps further, and in my experience I wouldn't hesitate to say that they would compete with, and in some cases outperform, any interconnect cable on the market you care to name - yes honestly they are, scarily for their competitors, *that* good! :)



That's an almost impossible question to answer. Cables are very system dependent, so what works well in one system may not work as well in another. However, I'd say that if you have a well put together and set-up system and simply want to hear what it's capable of sonically and musically to maximum effect, then I've yet to hear better cables for the job than G2000HDs...

Buy with confidence :cool:

Marco.

Thanks Marco for taking the time to reply...this was exactly the kind of info I was looking for...

jbloggs
14-09-2010, 19:27
Sorry Alistair I misread your post :doh:

No problem...

Tarzan
14-09-2010, 21:35
Do the G1500HD and G2000HD have a tighter and firmer bass than the G1000HD does anybody know? Ta:).

Marco
14-09-2010, 22:18
Alister, you're welcome. If you decide to go for the G2000HDs, let us know how you get on :)


Hi Andy,

That's an impossible question to answer, mate. The effect of both cables on the bass response in other people's systems isn't likely to be the same in yours where everything is different.

Also, try not to see cables as tone controls - it's really not what they should be used for.

Basically, if you can afford to go for the G2000HDs, they give signficantly better all-round performance than any other cables Mark sells, so order and enjoy :cool:

Marco.

Tarzan
14-09-2010, 23:11
Marco do not get me wrong-l love the G1000HD it is a beautiful sounding cable it provided a boost of bass l can tell you, it is more of a room related issue, but thanks once again if it was not for AOS forum l would not have discovered this gem:cool:.

jbloggs
17-09-2010, 11:04
Another cable that might also be worth replacing in my system is the QED Performance Optical (http://www.qed.co.uk/102/gb/product/performance/optical.htm) which connects a Touch to an Audio-GD DAC-MK3...

I would replace this with a coaxial type, I was just wondering if anybody had tried (or is using) the Mark Grant G1000HD Digital Coax Phono to Phono (http://markgrantcables.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=40_3&products_id=183) and if so what cable did it replace and what kind of results did it produce?

Or is there any other coaxial cable that may/could/would give a sound improvement in my system?

There is one post Here (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?p=116606&highlight=coaxial#post116606) about the Mark Grant coaxial cable, but very little info given...

EDIT: Was also looking at the Black Cat Veloce... (http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Stereovox%20XV2%20Digital.htm)

Thanks...

jbloggs
23-10-2010, 21:51
Bit of an update on my purchase of Mark Grant cables, I bought 2 sets of 1m Mark Grant G2000HD - WBT (http://markgrantcables.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=43_1&products_id=217) and Mark Grant G1000HD Digital Coax Phono to Phono (http://markgrantcables.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=40_3&products_id=183), have had them now for almost a month, the result is more detail and depth, better soundstage and "tighter" sound...

Was the improvement in audio experience worth it...I think, yes, as I don't see how the £250 would have given my this improvement elsewhere...

DSJR
24-10-2010, 13:38
If you can safely afford the ones with WBT's, then "Brilliant" is all I can say, but don't feel that the standard or Neutrik version is very much inferior, if at all - IMO..

You know, I've had a good sound from items with the most shocking soldering imaginable, and I mean SHOCKING!!!!! What you don't see, you can't grieve over IMO.

Mark's soldering is on several planes higher though and extremely professional.

jbloggs
24-10-2010, 15:07
but don't feel that the standard or Neutrik version is very much inferior, if at all

The "standard" and "Neutrik" are certainly "quality" products, no doubt about that!

It was after reading Marco's (http://theartofsound.net/forum/showpost.php?p=150299&postcount=14) post in this thread that I reckoned it was worth spending a few more £s and once it was done, well that was it (won't be spending money on them again for a considerable period) and I would have decent interconnects, also pleased with the G1000HD Digital Coax Phono to Phono.

colinB
24-10-2010, 17:38
I dont know if the WBT plugs sound better or not but they are a cool bit of engineering . I also trust Mark Grant has genuine faith in them because his website is free from any marketing bollox.

DSJR
24-10-2010, 19:19
The HD1000's with canares are excellent IMO and phenomenal value for money. HOWEVER, mark would be daft not to respond to market need, so if the WBT's can sell and suitable clients are available to pay for them (I probably would under different circumstances), then why not supply them. In my clumsy way, I'm suggesting that the refinement of the WBT's isn't mind-blowing for most of us and the Canare version should be fine in 70% of cases and the Neutrik for most of the remainder :)