View Full Version : Oh my. New Teac CD Transport with new VRDS system.
Crikey. :eek:
https://teac.jp/images/products/_teac_audio/vrds-701/vrds-701t_image_w_ref.jpg
https://youtu.be/dqfTJGIPkmQ
https://teac.jp/int/product/vrds-701t/top
Lawrence001
11-04-2023, 21:55
If it's as good as or better than their top ones of old, and not just marketing hype, it's welcome news and further evidence of the resurgence in CD playback.
Pigmy Pony
12-04-2023, 06:02
Very nice looking, but why is one of the grab handles on the piss? Any idea of prices?
Very nice looking, but why is one of the grab handles on the piss? Any idea of prices?
I think it is priced in the region of “if you have to ask, you can’t afford it” based on the DAC that sells for about €3k
Firebottle
12-04-2023, 06:21
Both grab handles are shaped:
https://teac.jp/images/products/_tmp/main_img/teac/vrds-701t_main.jpg
Very nice looking, but why is one of the grab handles on the piss? Any idea of prices?
just south of 4k in dollars
brian2957
12-04-2023, 08:50
Lol I thought from the title of this thread that this was your new transport and said to myself gotta get over to Gary's place for a listen to this :lol:
Naa...
Still saving for that.
Tho' been modding the Audiolab and Im thinking if I've hit "good enough"?
Nothing hardcore yet, just case isolation, case damping and RFI treatment, like I've done with other bits n bobs.
Nice improvements, the 6000CDT responds well.
Lots of room to get more performance out of it I think.
https://i.imgur.com/WKdCG2s.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nzC6OOn.jpg
Found some good electronics/power supply mod threads online, might get my guy at Loud and Clear Edinburgh to cast his eye over those at sone point.
Only thing thats a deal breaker is lack of a digital XLR out, though the coax is very good, especially with your cable Big Bri Bri.
:D
Enjoying CDs again,
The Teac looks a solid bit of kit, like it a lot (in black, natch)
Naa...
Still saving for that.
Tho' been modding the Audiolab and Im thinking if I've hit "good enough"?
Nothing hardcore yet, just case isolation, case damping and RFI treatment, like I've done with other bits n bobs.
Nice improvements, the 6000CDT responds well.
Lots of room to get more performance out of it I think.
https://i.imgur.com/WKdCG2s.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nzC6OOn.jpg
Found some good electronics/power supply mod threads online, might get my guy at Loud and Clear Edinburgh to cast his eye over those at sone point.
Only thing thats a deal breaker is lack of a digital XLR out, though the coax is very good, especially with your cable Big Bri Bri.
:D
Enjoying CDs again,
The Teac looks a solid bit of kit, like it a lot (in black, natch)
good man; keep up the modding.
Nota bad looking transport, have to say I am tempted.
Been looking at their older ones which I think are better from a cosmetic point of view. Trouble is they are 20 years old now and you don't know how much time they have left on them.
Nothing wrong with the performance of the Audiolab I use now but I don't like the looks much and the slot loading irritates me.
Have to agree with you Martin, slot loaders feel like they’re scraping the discs. 4K$ is too much IMHO.
Have to agree with you Martin, slot loaders feel like they’re scraping the discs. 4K$ is too much IMHO.
it's not the scraping, it's just awkward to use. Mine has some scratches on the front where I've missed the slot on the first attempt.
You live with it in a car but at home I don't really want that compromise.
Four K is too much you're right but if I thought it would last me out it doesn't seem too bad. If you watch the video they didn't skimp on the build quality so suspect it might.
I've always liked the 'bomb proof' looks and build of the TEAC CDPs.
This one is more stylish looking; the slot entry doesn't greatly concern me. I'll have to have a look at the specification to see what digital output options are available.
Maybe I should start saving for one.
Pigmy Pony
13-04-2023, 06:13
it's not the scraping, it's just awkward to use. Mine has some scratches on the front where I've missed the slot on the first attempt.
You live with it in a car but at home I don't really want that compromise.
Four K is too much you're right but if I thought it would last me out it doesn't seem too bad. If you watch the video they didn't skimp on the build quality so suspect it might.
If you compare the cost with that of a decent vinyl front end, with the attendant quality phono stage and cartridge/future replacement cartridges/stylii, the cost doesn't look too bad. Go for it Mart, you only live once :)
I still think those rack handles look wonky though.
walpurgis
13-04-2023, 07:17
it's not the scraping, it's just awkward to use. Mine has some scratches on the front where I've missed the slot on the first attempt.
Sounds like some clear contact film around the slot could help. It would barely be visible and be easily removable.
Lawrence001
13-04-2023, 07:36
The slot thing was referring to the Audiolab I think. The Teac looks like it has a tray.
Just checked their website: https://teac.jp/int/product/vrds-701/feature - the units are made in China, so that eliminates it for me. :(
Just checked their website: https://teac.jp/int/product/vrds-701/feature - the units are made in China, so that eliminates it for me. :(Getting very difficult to acquire stuff that isn't now 'made' in China alas.
The good stuff tho is very good; designed and overseen by Western Methods
If you compare the cost with that of a decent vinyl front end, with the attendant quality phono stage and cartridge/future replacement cartridges/stylii, the cost doesn't look too bad. Go for it Mart, you only live once :)
I still think those rack handles look wonky though.
they do look wonky. For that money it's got to look exactly right and it's not quite there for me. Rather take my chances with the old ones, I could get 8 of them for the price of this new Teac. And they look totally proper.
they are angled outwards so your knuckles dont get scuffed, and they also dont interfere withe the front view as much... i agree some dont like it though i do.
If that was the only thing then I could live with it.
I don't like the buttons, they are clustered and all the same size. 'Play' should be larger than the rest or somehow otherwise easily identifiable from the others.
On a machine at this price they should light up or have LEDs set in them that light up. The display is the correct colour so I'll give them that.
I like full track access on the front too, 1 to 10 keys and a +10. Although that's not a deal-breaker.
If that was the only thing then I could live with it.
I don't like the buttons, they are clustered and all the same size. 'Play' should be larger than the rest or somehow otherwise easily identifiable from the others.
On a machine at this price they should light up or have LEDs set in them that light up. The display is the correct colour so I'll give them that.
I like full track access on the front too, 1 to 10 keys and a +10. Although that's not a deal-breaker.
for the money i prefer streaming, but i know im in the minority in a site like this. lol... its just a matter of getting the right mix of gear etc plus im happy now with headphones and most wont be. interesting that a better cable on my focal cans has raised bar substancially... A CABLE !!!!!!; WHO'D BELIEVE IT :D
oh i agree on the buttons
Same.
Love the ‘lab equipment’ look of the older ones.
Too much of a risk though, should the laser go, pretty much the case sadly with a lot of vintage cd players.
Endgame investment players wise, the Jay’s Audio CDT3 Mk3 gets my vote.
Chinese though, so there’s that.
https://www.jays-audio.com/cdt3-mk3
https://i.imgur.com/rwgg2tf.jpg
The Jay's is designed to look pretty rather than functional. Seems to be the modern trend.
I actually can't find any current high end transports I like the look of. This Teac is probably the best of them.
Pigmy Pony
14-04-2023, 06:47
they do look wonky. For that money it's got to look exactly right and it's not quite there for me. Rather take my chances with the old ones, I could get 8 of them for the price of this new Teac. And they look totally proper.
There are a few on Ebay at the moment, some of them 'serviced'. I agree, they do look proper. And probably not made in china.
Pigmy Pony
14-04-2023, 06:58
for the money i prefer streaming, but i know im in the minority in a site like this. lol... its just a matter of getting the right mix of gear etc plus im happy now with headphones and most wont be. interesting that a better cable on my focal cans has raised bar substancially... A CABLE !!!!!!; WHO'D BELIEVE IT :D
oh i agree on the buttons
I expect headphone listening (especially with those Focals) would reveal even minor changes made elsewhere, so yes, I'd believe it :)
I'd be fine with streaming, but it would have to be a simple set up, and I do mean SIMPLE. Not what would be simple for you ;) And if I'm being honest there is probably a dark corner of my mind that fears that the convenience of streaming would have me neglecting my CDs and vinyl.
for the money i prefer streaming, but i know im in the minority in a site like this. lol... its just a matter of getting the right mix of gear etc plus im happy now with headphones and most wont be. interesting that a better cable on my focal cans has raised bar substancially... A CABLE !!!!!!; WHO'D BELIEVE IT :D
oh i agree on the buttons
Cable upgrade on my Beyer Amirons had the same effect Grant, noticeable improvement.
What function is missing?
(Not trying to be a smartass :))
Looks like a lot of design has gone into what’s under the hood as well?
Enjoy it as a top loader, subjective of course, but watcha think?
The Jay's is designed to look pretty rather than functional. Seems to be the modern trend.
I actually can't find any current high end transports I like the look of. This Teac is probably the best of them.
Cable upgrade on my Beyer Amirons had the same effect Grant, noticeable improvement.
going balanced into cans is a big improvement as well as cable. this one is very good sounding so ordered another for back up while they are available.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230414/03e2561198063ad86fadc856061fd699.jpg
Lawrence001
14-04-2023, 15:25
Is that one of those TRRS balanced jacks Grant?
Is that one of those TRRS balanced jacks Grant?
it is; connected to a 4.4mm balanced socket
Lawrence001
14-04-2023, 15:28
Just checked their website: https://teac.jp/int/product/vrds-701/feature - the units are made in China, so that eliminates it for me. :(I assume then Teac has ended production in Japan as if they made anything there I'd expect it to be this top series.
I assume then Teac has ended production in Japan as if they made anything there I'd expect it to be this top series.
think they still make a cassette player in japan but thats it. denon are still i japan in i think
What function is missing?
(Not trying to be a smartass :))
Looks like a lot of design has gone into what’s under the hood as well?
Enjoy it as a top loader, subjective of course, but watcha think?
Nothing missing but lots of identical buttons grouped together is not the easiest thing to use. With the Audiolab I sometimes press eject instead of play.
The other thing is that it just looks bland. Build quality I am sure is excellent but for that money I want something that looks cool. I mean it's just a transport at the end of the day, it's pretty hard to get it wrong on sound quality and I wouldn't expect it to be any different to the Audiolab in that regard.
No real objection to top loading. I've had top loaders before. Rather have a tray though.
Fair comment. :thumbsup:
Agree on the buttons, and on the Audiolab.
Tend to use the remote because of that.
Teac definitely looks better, especially in black.
Though the Moon would get my money.
Prefer the ‘old school” display on this one, and it’s XLR balanced digital out, which for me is the way to go if no i2s.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4753/26574551598_77060ea375_b.jpg
Nothing wrong with the performance of the Audiolab I use now but I don't like the looks much and the slot loading irritates me.
I've recently upgraded from the 6000CDT to the 9000CDT (https://www.audiolab.co.uk/9000cdt/). Tray loaded. More solid sound, with better mid to low end. Best CD transport I've owned, and I've had a VRDS 7 in the past.
https://www.audiolab.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/magictoolbox_cache/cf3e6ec01aac7cb79461bcfe9d0d075e/800x600/556195241/9000CDT-1.png
Looks better in black - but that diplay is vulgar. :doh:
Presumably it disappears once a disc is playing and is replaced with useful information such as track number and timing. (Edit: I've just noticed the 7000 has a similar display.)
I also would be weary of any item that can only be operated using a remote control.
At twice the price of the 7000, I would have to convinced it was worth it.
mwb wont let me view the 9000cdt page(riskware) so i had to just see one elsewhere. yeah the display will probably either only come on when switched on or its a shop display addition
I've recently upgraded from the 6000CDT to the 9000CDT (https://www.audiolab.co.uk/9000cdt/). Tray loaded. More solid sound, with better mid to low end. Best CD transport I've owned, and I've had a VRDS 7 in the past.
https://www.audiolab.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/magictoolbox_cache/cf3e6ec01aac7cb79461bcfe9d0d075e/800x600/556195241/9000CDT-1.png
That's one i had considered but I like to use the controls on the front. I rarely use the remote.
You can control the playback functions via the knob.
No buttons could be a dealbreaker for many.
@Reggie
That's interesting mate,
As I got more into going back into CD again, knew the 6000CDT was always a 'placeholder' transport, great sounding as it was.
Really interesting you finding it a noticeable step up from the 6000.
Was curious about that!
Paul Rigby (guy who did the original 6000CDT review, did a similar one for the 9000.
Worth a watch if curious, great review.
Like the cut of this guys Jib.
Shame there's no Balanced XLR digital out, rules it out for me.
https://youtu.be/DwYmk8pX2oc
I struggle with the idea that there can be sonic differences between CD transports. I do hear differences but I strongly suspect they're in my head.
So I'm happy to buy one based purely on aesthetics and ergonomics, but the current crop don't tick those boxes for me. All modern equipment is either too bland-looking or trying too hard to be stylish.
Yes, most of the operations of the CDT9000 can be done via the knob. Push it for basic play/pause. Rotate left or right to move backward or forward respectively.
The display is more functional once a disc is inserted. The image shown in the image I initially posted is a sort of start up screen. The one below shows what it looks like in operation.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhs_THq2BG-avbkhlkX6s8rwXxhAJ9R_15tdJHA4mOIgUluSoLKF8mx1m-bVi6qbqpe3HQ-7g7ktngSYP3pniy-64GYdf7vCXv1IEE5gn4QaKpa-VRRngYQXtGmDK82Bvb1hB4NU8DTDitQblb1JWqd3uNK9hrtswp mt_QoOalRIMwYvI8WnXfcJ33hmQ/s16000/05878d2-e2b7-42a5-a2ae-7cdde8ea86b9.jpg
I think the effect of a transport depends on the DAC. Some DACs are more revealing of the quality of the transport, as Paul Rigby alludes to in his review of the CDT9000 (yes, that did influence my choice). I have a Resonessence Labs VERITAS DAC.
Yes, most of the operations of the CDT9000 can be done via the knob. Push it for basic play/pause. Rotate left or right to move backward or forward respectively.
The display is more functional once a disc is inserted. The image shown in the image I initially posted is a sort of start up screen. The one below shows what it looks like in operation.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhs_THq2BG-avbkhlkX6s8rwXxhAJ9R_15tdJHA4mOIgUluSoLKF8mx1m-bVi6qbqpe3HQ-7g7ktngSYP3pniy-64GYdf7vCXv1IEE5gn4QaKpa-VRRngYQXtGmDK82Bvb1hB4NU8DTDitQblb1JWqd3uNK9hrtswp mt_QoOalRIMwYvI8WnXfcJ33hmQ/s16000/05878d2-e2b7-42a5-a2ae-7cdde8ea86b9.jpg
I think the effect of a transport depends on the DAC. Some DACs are more revealing of the quality of the transport, as Paul Rigby alludes to in his review of the CDT9000 (yes, that did influence my choice). I have a Resonessence Labs VERITAS DAC.
I've heard differences in transports just using the DAC built into an integrated amp. Not tried comparing transports with my current DAC but it is one of the best available.
Rigby is okay as a reviewer but he's out of his depth on the technical side.
my little ka5 from fiio has twin Cirrus Logic cs43198 dacs in it. quite sweet sounding.
The thing is tiny tho... the amps in it is pretty powerful too
https://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/images/products/16742/19393/600x600/FIIOKA5.webp (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiH-cf476v-AhXHMMAKHRPgDOQQFnoECAsQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cirrus.com%2Fproducts%2Fcs43 198%2F&usg=AOvVaw2NlAeL8CouG9wZZ8toqE5f)
Always loved the look of this Roksan from back in the day.
Belter!
https://www.audiog.com/folders/listings/expired/2760/1.jpg
I struggle with the idea that there can be sonic differences between CD transports. I do hear differences but I strongly suspect they're in my head.
So I'm happy to buy one based purely on aesthetics and ergonomics, but the current crop don't tick those boxes for me. All modern equipment is either too bland-looking or trying too hard to be stylish.
VU's on the amp look awesome.
Reminds me of some of the custom ones written for the SB Touch.
Again,
interesting its a step up from the 6000, but you'd expect that.
What digital cable are you using Rob?
Yes, most of the operations of the CDT9000 can be done via the knob. Push it for basic play/pause. Rotate left or right to move backward or forward respectively.
The display is more functional once a disc is inserted. The image shown in the image I initially posted is a sort of start up screen. The one below shows what it looks like in operation.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhs_THq2BG-avbkhlkX6s8rwXxhAJ9R_15tdJHA4mOIgUluSoLKF8mx1m-bVi6qbqpe3HQ-7g7ktngSYP3pniy-64GYdf7vCXv1IEE5gn4QaKpa-VRRngYQXtGmDK82Bvb1hB4NU8DTDitQblb1JWqd3uNK9hrtswp mt_QoOalRIMwYvI8WnXfcJ33hmQ/s16000/05878d2-e2b7-42a5-a2ae-7cdde8ea86b9.jpg
I think the effect of a transport depends on the DAC. Some DACs are more revealing of the quality of the transport, as Paul Rigby alludes to in his review of the CDT9000 (yes, that did influence my choice). I have a Resonessence Labs VERITAS DAC.
Always loved the look of this Roksan from back in the day.
Belter!
https://www.audiog.com/folders/listings/expired/2760/1.jpg
Yeah that's proper.
Yeah that's proper.
Might be "proper", but to my eyes it looks bloody ugly!
After what people have written about it, I'm now warming to the CDT 9000.
Teac go to all this trouble and offer an RCA SPDIF and TOSLINK only for output . No BNC or AES/EBU at that price is very poor but they do offer a clock in at least .
Teac go to all this trouble and offer an RCA SPDIF and TOSLINK only for output . No BNC or AES/EBU at that price is very poor but they do offer a clock in at least .
Yeah,
Seems an odd choice to me,
Guess their older players didnt either I think?
Might be "proper", but to my eyes it looks bloody ugly!
After what people have written about it, I'm now warming to the CDT 9000.
Guys over on the Naim forums are big fans of the 6000.
Seems some Naim dealers have been recommending it as a suitable Transport with high end Naim systems?
The more I read up on the Audiolab transports, and what Im hearing with my own ears in my own system Im wondering with the 9000 if diminishing returns hits in hard?
Every other transport I have been interested in someone, somewhere has compared it to the 6000, and its "yeah its slightly better", "different flavour" or preferred the Audiolab in direct comparison.
Was looking at 3-5K transports as endgame, but for that needs to be night and day better.
Perhaps you need to pay even more, if so then I'm out.
After what Ive read Im thinking the 9000 might be it?
Any niggles I have with the 6000, slot loader, to a price build quality are fixed with the 9000.
Paul Rigby's review was pretty good in describing the improvements he heard in the bass, and if the 9000's got that same 6000CDT mid and open top end then I'm thinking thats enough.
Read elsewhere people moved from 6000 to 9000 and were very happy.
Get that and spend money saved on more CDs and records?
Just a thought.
Teac go to all this trouble and offer an RCA SPDIF and TOSLINK only for output . No BNC or AES/EBU at that price is very poor but they do offer a clock in at least .
Agreed. Although Sony and Philips chose a 75Ohm characteristic impedance for their S/PDIF, they also opted for a connector of quite indifferent quality: the RCA 'phono' plug. This latter connector does not have a characteristic impedance of 75Ohm (in fact, despite their coaxial construction, phono plugs are not, and never were, designed to be a constant impedance connector. Furthermore, given the geometry of the connector, it is impossible for the characteristic impedance to be any greater than ~ 57 Ohm and in practice will lie between 30 - 40 Ohm, depending on the material used for the support dielectric. However owing to the short electrical length of a mated RCA connector, errors due to impedance mismatch are to some extent self-cancelling).
Some of the better (and professional) CDTs use a BNC connector for their digital output, but it cannot be assumed the BNC has a characteristic impedance of 75Ohm (BNCs come in two varieties: 50 Ohm and 75 Ohm), but as with the RCA phono, owing to the short electrical length of the connector, any impedance mismatch tends to be self cancelling.
If care is taken to maintain the correct impedance match, the length of the digital cable is unimportant.
Agree Barry.
From email correspondence with Chris Sommovigo (RIP) of Blackcat cable a couple of years back,
I asked him about the digital cables 1.5m length ‘thing’ with internal reflections n stuff, and he said it was nonsense.
Impedance match and minimising loss through that was everything.
Didnt worry about it after that.
Get Impedance match right and use length to suit.
Yes the "1.5m minimum length" is supposed to be such that the triple transit time of the digital signal reflected off the impedance mismatches, was longer than the rise time of the 'decision window' of 177.154ns. (The SPDIF non-return-to-zero frequency is 2.8224MHz at 44.1kHz sampling frequency for 6bit sampling (= 26 * 44.1KHz). That is a '0 to 1' or a '1 to 0' transition occurs every (1/(2 * 2.884 106 Hz = 177.154ns)). The rise time of the transition is 25ns (10% to 90%) implying a cable (with a typical velocity factor of 0.7) of (25ns * 0.7c)/3 = 1.75m.
But as we all agree, if the mismatches are minimal (say > 30dB RL, implying an impedance in the range of 70 - 80 Ohm) the cable length is unimportant.
Dont know about the maths of it, only from discussion with those that do (add you to that list!) and my own experience, but Yup.
Absolutely.
:thumbsup:
Crikey. :eek:
https://teac.jp/images/products/_teac_audio/vrds-701/vrds-701t_image_w_ref.jpg
https://youtu.be/dqfTJGIPkmQ
https://teac.jp/int/product/vrds-701t/top
I've ordered one of these TEAC VRDS 701-T things (in black ofc) hopefully will turn up this week sometime.
Pigmy Pony
06-08-2023, 11:56
I've ordered one of these TEAC VRDS 701-T things (in black ofc) hopefully will turn up this week sometime.
:carrot: I don't know why I get a buzz out of other folk buying new stuff, but I do. Makes no sense.
I said if I got that bonus I was going to blow it, so I have. :D
I said if I got that bonus I was going to blow it, so I have. :D
And ..... ?
How are you going to spend your bonus?
I said if I got that bonus I was going to blow it, so I have. :D
What have you spent it on?
What have you spent it on?
The TEAC transport that's the subject of this thread. You must have missed post 57?
No, I didn't miss the post, but it wasn't obvious to me that you were going to buy the Teac CDT.
I'm most envious BTW.
I've ordered one of these TEAC VRDS 701-T things (in black ofc) hopefully will turn up this week sometime.
Nice one mate, happy for ya.
You worked hard for it,
might as well have something awesome to have and enjoy for it.
Keep us Peeps posted would you? :)
I've ordered one of these TEAC VRDS 701-T things (in black ofc) hopefully will turn up this week sometime.
nice looking machine marty.. dunno the price but it looks expensive without being blingy..
nice looking machine marty.. dunno the price but it looks expensive without being blingy..
I looked at all the transport options and it's the only one on offer that's not either boring, blingy looking, has a nasty blue LED display or is slot-loading.
Stranraer
06-08-2023, 19:47
Hi Macca,
By coincidence I'm considering the Teac 701 DAC if my Levinson 390s heading for heaven's hi-fi room.
Any chance you've heard one ?
Hi Macca,
By coincidence I'm considering the Teac 701 DAC if my Levinson 390s heading for heaven's hi-fi room.
Any chance you've heard one ?
Since you already have and use an Audiolab 6000, have you considered the Audiolab 9000?
(I'm in a similar position to you: becoming dissatisfied with my Levinson 390S CD.)
Hi Macca,
By coincidence I'm considering the Teac 701 DAC if my Levinson 390s heading for heaven's hi-fi room.
Any chance you've heard one ?
No, sorry, I haven't. I haven't heard the transport either for that matter.
Stranraer
06-08-2023, 20:51
Since you already have and use an Audiolab 6000, have you considered the Audiolab 9000?
(I'm in a similar position to you: becoming dissatisfied with my Levinson 390S CD.)
Unfortunately I'm TOTALLY satisfied with my 390, but it's poorly so I'm looking at options.
I'd be very interested to know what you find to replace yours.
I posted elsewhere I'm looking for any suggestions as I've taken a blind fancy to the TEAC 701 DAC as an option to run the 6000 through but not sure if that combo would be a worthy replacement for the 390.
Just to confuse matters, as we speak I'm listening to a Nico CD on my Oppo 103 DVD player directly into my Croft gear for the first time and got to say it sounds sensational.
Looks like I'll have to spend a few hours researching this combo. Bummer, eh....... ?
Stranraer
06-08-2023, 20:53
No, sorry, I haven't. I haven't heard the transport either for that matter.
Ah. Still in the post I guess. Exciting times.
Looking forward to hearing your opinion of it. As above, I've just been blind-sided by my trusty old Oppo DVD player.
What a world we live in.
Ah. Still in the post I guess. Exciting times.
Looking forward to hearing your opinion of it. As above, I've just been blind-sided by my trusty old Oppo DVD player.
What a world we live in.
Only ordered it this morning.
I have an Oppo and I'd be using that except my DVD player packed in so the Oppo got moved over to the TV system since it will play DVD and BD.
There is not much if any difference between competent digital sources IME, so I'm not surprised you finding there's little between the Oppo and the ML.
Unfortunately I'm TOTALLY satisfied with my 390, but it's poorly so I'm looking at options.
In what way is the 390 poorly?
Stranraer
06-08-2023, 21:45
In what way is the 390 poorly?
The right hand channel's died. It's with Deco Audio who are exploring options.
Stranraer
06-08-2023, 22:03
Only ordered it this morning.
I'm not surprised you finding there's little between the Oppo and the ML.
Ooh, steady on. The Oppo's giving insane separation and soundstage, really impressive, but that's compared to the Audiolab / Soncoz SDG1 DAC combo but it's a touch bright and, I'm trying not to use the word harsh but I can't think of anything better, so..... harsh.
Reminds me of my favourite speakers from back in the day, Acoustic Energy 109s. Very in yer face, but a riotous listen.
I wouldn't put it in the ballpark of the 390. That's Lotus v Ferrari.
Oh well, harsh is no good.
If your Oppo has variable output level try lowering that.
walpurgis
07-08-2023, 07:16
I use CD most of the time, but it's not something I actually give any thought to. Must be OK I guess :).
ive a oppo 103d and when music is playing i would not consider it bright or harsh.
Stranraer
07-08-2023, 12:00
I'll break the house rules and have another session tonight outside of the weekend, and try turning down the Oppo volume ta.
Pigmy Pony
07-08-2023, 14:50
I'll break the house rules and have another session tonight outside of the weekend, and try turning down the Oppo volume ta.
You have house rules? What's that like? We just have Mrs. P's way and the wrong way.
We have house rules: "They that cook, do not wash up".
Another is: "Something by Aretha Franklin has to be played at least once a week".
Stranraer
07-08-2023, 19:22
Ha ! It's my neighbours I have to consider. They're great and we have an arrangement where I can do what I want with the hifi (specifically the volume knob) on Fridays and Saturdays as long as it's down or off by Midnight-ish.
I keep it off through the week.
I don't take the pish but sometimes get a bit carried away, particularly if whiskey's in the jar, and always finish with the same song so they know when it's over.
Pigmy Pony
08-08-2023, 06:35
Ha ! It's my neighbours I have to consider. They're great and we have an arrangement where I can do what I want with the hifi (specifically the volume knob) on Fridays and Saturdays as long as it's down or off by Midnight-ish.
I keep it off through the week.
I don't take the pish but sometimes get a bit carried away, particularly if whiskey's in the jar, and always finish with the same song so they know when it's over.
Ah, the 'erection section'... my local disco always finished with "My Eyes Adored You" by Frankie Valli. What song do your neighbours get?
walpurgis
08-08-2023, 07:41
'Thrak' by King Crimson is good album to treat your neighbours to :D.
allthingsanalogue
08-08-2023, 09:28
In the end I bought the Moon and it’s absolutely fantastic. The best digital source I’ve ever owned and significantly better than the Melco it replaced.
https://i.imgur.com/c1v6oqC.jpg
Stranraer
08-08-2023, 13:00
I'm feeling quite protective here.
Firstly my neighbours have done nothing to deserve being Thraked, thanks very much.
Secondly, I think the stalwarts manning the Desperation Station should be shown a bit more kindness and respect.
:glug::glug::kiss:
Anyhoo........ If it's been a Rock Night they get to enjoy Opener by Hookworms. Ballerina by Van Morrison if it's a bit more of a melancholy vibe.
Stranraer
08-08-2023, 13:05
That Moon looks pretty sweet.
Which model, please ?
That Moon looks pretty sweet.
Which model, please ?
Its a 260DT
Dealer advises me that the TEAC transport not in stock. 3 to 5 day wait...
If they come in this week I get it Saturday, if not, next Saturday.
Stranraer
10-08-2023, 14:06
At an exhibition a few years back one of the pieces shown was an empty shoebox covered in soft, fluffy, hot pink fur and glitter. Apparently it represented the idea that the anticipation of owning something you really wanted was the most exciting, enjoyable part of the retail process.
It's art, dahling.......
allthingsanalogue
22-08-2023, 14:07
After a nightmare with the Moon I’m now back in the market for a transport so eagerly awaiting info on the new Teac.
Pigmy Pony
22-08-2023, 14:47
After a nightmare with the Moon I’m now back in the market for a transport so eagerly awaiting info on the new Teac.
So you're over the Moon then :( Sorry, too soon?
I've still not heard anything from Audio Affair. Might have to e-mail them tomorrow just to check they haven't forgotten about me.
In fairness to them they do pick up the phone and reply to e-mails pretty promptly. Usually a good indicator of competence.
allthingsanalogue
23-08-2023, 01:35
I was looking on audioaffair today, they say available so is this actually not the case?
allthingsanalogue
23-08-2023, 01:51
So you're over the Moon then :( Sorry, too soon?
It developed an issue with the transport, especially track one and when opening the tray the cd came out actually spinning. I’d only had it 3 weeks so I requested under the consumer goods act a replacement. The distributor in the UK wanted to repair. After lots of emails the shop eventually emailed me to confirm, they had ordered a new 260DT in Black and they'd courier it to me and collect the other one. I was very pleased in with this outcome. However they suddenly changed the collection day from Wednesday to Monday this week and I then suspected ‘foul play'!
The distributor/service dept asked me to send in cd' to test, I explained I’d tried them on other machines but they said as the Moon is a redbook machine and others nowadays are not that's probably why?? So basically expect some cd's won’t play properly as they are read in real time with no ram buffer. Mmmm? My Tag Mclaren CDT20 never had a ram buffer and that would play even the worst cd's.
Once they received it back I then was emailed again and told there was 'no replacement ordered' but there was no intention to 'mislead' and they still wanted to inspect and repair or as a last resort a refund. I was so angry by this point I pushed for a refund which is very annoying as wow, that thing did sound good.
I found it odd they were able to refund but not replace out of goodwill.
I don't think I can risk another one.
The teac looks superb, a 2 year warranty but I’d hope it's repairable after this point.
I was looking on audioaffair today, they say available so is this actually not the case?
it said 'available' when I ordered, but when I contacted them to arrange delivery they said they were expecting them in stock in 3 to 5 days.
I think 'available' means they are just available to order.
It developed an issue with the transport, especially track one and when opening the tray the cd came out actually spinning. I’d only had it 3 weeks so I requested under the consumer goods act a replacement. The distributor in the UK wanted to repair. After lots of emails the shop eventually emailed me to confirm, they had ordered a new 260DT in Black and they'd courier it to me and collect the other one. I was very pleased in with this outcome. However they suddenly changed the collection day from Wednesday to Monday this week and I then suspected ‘foul play'!
The distributor/service dept asked me to send in cd' to test, I explained I’d tried them on other machines but they said as the Moon is a redbook machine and others nowadays are not that's probably why?? So basically expect some cd's won’t play properly as they are read in real time with no ram buffer. Mmmm? My Tag Mclaren CDT20 never had a ram buffer and that would play even the worst cd's.
Once they received it back I then was emailed again and told there was 'no replacement ordered' but there was no intention to 'mislead' and they still wanted to inspect and repair or as a last resort a refund. I was so angry by this point I pushed for a refund which is very annoying as wow, that thing did sound good.
I found it odd they were able to refund but not replace out of goodwill.
I don't think I can risk another one.
The teac looks superb, a 2 year warranty but I’d hope it's repairable after this point.
that's all a bit dodgy. No CD player reads the disc in real time. Was it a red book cd it had an issue with?
Pigmy Pony
23-08-2023, 06:05
What does 'Redbook' mean then? Up to now I'd assumed all CDs to be Redbook, unless they were SACD or a hybrid.
it said 'available' when I ordered, but when I contacted them to arrange delivery they said they were expecting them in stock in 3 to 5 days.
I think 'available' means they are just available to order.
yup. in stock means ready to mail; or should, but often doesn't by many firms
allthingsanalogue
23-08-2023, 13:36
What does 'Redbook' mean then? Up to now I'd assumed all CDs to be Redbook, unless they were SACD or a hybrid.
Yes, just regular cd's. No enhancements, copy protection etc.
allthingsanalogue
23-08-2023, 13:38
I checked stock with Peter Tyson and they are saying a few weeks.
“ Please note the Teac is a special-order item but as far as we are aware, stock is available as it stands & will take a few weeks. If you would like me to request an ETA on a unit, please let me know & I will happily do this for you.
I didn’t get a chance to hear a unit at the Munich High End show but the reports were amazing.”
I'm certainly tempted though. I like the fact it’s made by Teac and the drive is the very reliable 5020A.
hifinutt
23-08-2023, 16:14
looks a lovely bit of kit. just a pitb the transport does not have aes . looking forward to the first persons thoughts on it
https://www.audioaffair.co.uk/teac-vrds-701-cd-player?c=37753&92=10&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3JanBhCPARIsAJpXTx5fGAJMC6Z4ap_TjpyF NANTSny2-Z3OQKpMuyBH86sTkwh2Xrbp9kUaAtCHEALw_wcB#92=10
very high on my list after my beautiful transport packed up , this one and the urd which is not available as usual !!
yup. in stock means ready to mail; or should, but often doesn't by many firms
'Available' to me means 'Yes we've got them I'm sitting here looking at one right now.'
Anyway, Audio Affair have advised me that TEAC have told them it will be another 12 days before their stock arrives. Oh well.
looks a lovely bit of kit. just a pitb the transport does not have aes . looking forward to the first persons thoughts on it
https://www.audioaffair.co.uk/teac-vrds-701-cd-player?c=37753&92=10&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3JanBhCPARIsAJpXTx5fGAJMC6Z4ap_TjpyF NANTSny2-Z3OQKpMuyBH86sTkwh2Xrbp9kUaAtCHEALw_wcB#92=10
very high on my list after my beautiful transport packed up , this one and the urd which is not available as usual !!
I wouldn't worry about the lack of AES output, there's no real world benefit unless you have a DAC that only accepts AES. In which case it's essential!
I have my doubts using an XLR connector as having a constant characteristic impedance for digital signals.
allthingsanalogue
23-08-2023, 22:52
I reckon I’m going to order a black one! Hoping it's as good as the Moon sounded or better.:)
Firebottle
24-08-2023, 10:28
I have my doubts using an XLR connector as having a constant characteristic impedance for digital signals.
Same here, looking at the pin spacing I would guess 200-250 ohms.
Same here, looking at the pin spacing I would guess 200-250 ohms.
The published figure is 110 Ohms, but I believe that is a calculated figure given the diameter of the pins and of the overall outer diameter. Strictly speaking, the quoted impedance should be that for the odd-mode, as appropriate for a balanced line transmission system.
Surely this is all irrelevant? The cable would need to be very long or broken before this created an issue and if it did the issue would be obvious - skipping, jumping, stuttering, drop-outs.
You won't get a little less resolution in the bass, or a narrower soundstage.
It's a digital signal not analogue.
What is irrelevant? The digital interface, or the characteristic impedance of that interface?
What is irrelevant? The digital interface, or the characteristic impedance of that interface?
I'm saying that the impedance of the interface, cable, connector, is irrelevant right up to the point where it is relevant.
And if it becomes relevant it will be obvious.
Sophistry, sophistry, all is sophistry.
Sophistry, sophistry, all is sophistry.
Not sure what you mean. I'll try again
It's all or nothing, if 110 Ohm cable or connector or socket works then it's fine. If the signal is interrupted it isn't. You don't need to have the ideal impedance, just close enough.
It is easier to achieve a constant characteristic impedance with a coaxial cable than with a two-core screened cable.
You might think that none of it matters for digital transfer, but the effective frequencies involved are in the RF band, so impedance matching is important, especially for short cable lengths.
oceanobsession
12-09-2023, 10:54
Did you get the teac 701t . phil.
Did you get the teac 701t . phil.
Arrives on Saturday.
allthingsanalogue
13-09-2023, 02:01
Arrives on Saturday.
Look forward to hearing your report!
I eventually bought the DENON DCD-A110 but that’s another month away at least!
Look forward to hearing your report!
I eventually bought the DENON DCD-A110 but that’s another month away at least!
That's also a bit of a battleship. I see there's a Technics offering too https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/technics-sl-g700
Pigmy Pony
13-09-2023, 06:03
Arrives on Saturday.
About time too.
I look forward to seeing/hearing it, but I'll give you a few days alone-time with it, and time to get some good biscuits in :)
hifinutt
15-09-2023, 16:45
I wouldn't worry about the lack of AES output, there's no real world benefit unless you have a DAC that only accepts AES. In which case it's essential!
maybe but i bought a fancy aes cable and would like to use it !!! and yes my dac has a nice aes input so shame to waste it
hifinutt
15-09-2023, 16:47
oooh great , relying on your thoughts on the 701 ... like ease of use , is the dispaly reasonably visible at a distance . and most importantly is there any drive noise ?
oooh great , relying on your thoughts on the 701 ... like ease of use , is the dispaly reasonably visible at a distance . and most importantly is there any drive noise ?
Rest assured I will do a full report. Doesn't seem to be any reviews out there at the moment.
Assuming it does turn up and works ofc.
Got it and it is up and running:
https://i.ibb.co/X2DsK6S/teac.jpg (https://ibb.co/h7cW4rD)
Can answer Phil's question right off, no drive noise even right up against the unit.
Build quality is more than adequate although I'd hesitate to give it 'Battleship' status. The manual warns that the grab handles are 'decorative' and not to be used to lift the player, and the disc draw is plastic not metal, except for the front piece.
Plus I have Sony ES equipment from the early 90s which really is battleship, to compare with.
It's not quite there but it's a long way from biscuit tin. I'd put in the same category for build as the old Sony QS kit.
I suppose we have to remember it's not 1989 anymore and 2 grand doesn't go as far now as it did then.
hifinutt
16-09-2023, 16:10
thanks martin , thats wonderful . looks lovely
one day when the bills stop rolling in i will probably get one
one chap on the forums had a bad experience with the 260d which is slightly more
and the schiit urd is totally out of stock .... surprise surprise
Can answer Phil's question right off, no drive noise even right up against the unit.
Build quality is more than adequate although I'd hesitate to give it 'Battleship' status. The manual warns that the grab handles are 'decorative' and not to be used to lift the player, and the disc draw is plastic not metal, except for the front piece.
Plus I have Sony ES equipment from the early 90s which really is battleship, to compare with.
It's not quite there but it's a long way from biscuit tin. I'd put in the same category for build as the old Sony QS kit.
I suppose we have to remember it's not 1989 anymore and 2 grand doesn't go as far now as it did then.
why have grab handles your not allowed to grab it by? crazy
looks good tho:)
hifinutt
16-09-2023, 17:06
ah i thought the cd version had a aes output but rechecking seems it doesnt . can you confirm that macca .
dont know why i thought it did
Pigmy Pony
16-09-2023, 17:07
'Tis a handsome thing, and the display colour is so much nicer than the blue that we normally get.
I see you've pressed the Philips back into service - the Avalon having a day off?
ah i thought the cd version had a aes output but rechecking seems it doesnt . can you confirm that macca .
dont know why i thought it did
This is the transport not the CD player, but neither has AES output.
'Tis a handsome thing, and the display colour is so much nicer than the blue that we normally get.
I see you've pressed the Philips back into service - the Avalon having a day off?
I prefer the Philips with the Krell power amp, the Avalon's a bit rolled off with it.
hifinutt
16-09-2023, 17:19
the teac 505t costs a thousand less than the 701t . is it worth paying the extra ? what do you get with the 701t over the 505t
https://eu.teac-audio.com/en-GLOBAL/audio-hifi/audio-players/cd-players/pd-505t-cd-transport/p/252511
hifinutt
16-09-2023, 17:20
This is the transport not the CD player, but neither has AES output.
yes sadly just found that out ... its not the end of the world though !!
walpurgis
16-09-2023, 17:21
Looks nice enough Martin. What DAC is it feeding, the Topping ?
the teac 505t costs a thousand less than the 701t . is it worth paying the extra ? what do you get with the 701t over the 505t
https://eu.teac-audio.com/en-GLOBAL/audio-hifi/audio-players/cd-players/pd-505t-cd-transport/p/252511
The 505T doesn't look as good? Display is blue not orange.
Looks nice enough Martin. What DAC is it feeding, the Topping ?
Yes Topping E30 - the little unit on top of it.
allthingsanalogue
17-09-2023, 05:22
thanks martin , thats wonderful . looks lovely
one day when the bills stop rolling in i will probably get one
one chap on the forums had a bad experience with the 260d which is slightly more
and the schiit urd is totally out of stock .... surprise surprise
Yep, the 260D issues were me!
Interested in hearing how it compared to your Audiolab Martin?
EDIT
Just saw your review on a separate thread.
good write up, an interesting read.
here's the link for anyone interested:
https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?76886-TEAC-VRDS-701T-Review
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