Subwoofer for the music???

[Rembrandt 1]

I want upgrade my current stereo system. I have amplifier Roksan Caspian mk2, speakers Monitor Audio gs20.I listen music from pc true DAC,flac, HD,Tidal hifi.I listen various kinds of music,jazz rock,prog, organ Bach.The mids and high are fantastic, but lowest frequency of bass is the weak spot of my stereo system.My room is about 30-35m2..My favourite subwoofer model is Rel 9, Sonus Faber Gravina 1, Warfedale sw15 ..Tell me your advice and support.Thanks for your time and answers.

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[Lawrence001]

Do you have a separate dac? If not DAC and sub should be a good improvement. Rel are good if you can get one. Strata Stadium and Stentor were the good ones years ago I'm not familiar with the later ranges.

[Rembrandt 1]

I have Dac Music Fidaledty separately..On the amplifier i have preout preamp for sub connect..

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[Sherwood]

I recently bought one of these.

http://www.bkelec.com/HiFi/Sub_Woofers/XLS200-DF.htm

Amazing performance for the price. They fitted auto on-off power on request for free.. I bought the downward facing driver unit in black ash

[Macca]

I'd go for the Wharfaedale I think although the REL looks good too. The Sonus does not go as low as the other two and since your speakers are not bass-shy anyway I suspect you might get less benefit from that one.

Or for similar money you could get a second-hand Velodyne DD12 which would be a much better option IMO.

[Lawrence001]

Velodyne are good I've got one of their Micro models, brilliant little thing, the cabinet is metal.

[bumpy]

I have spent a bit of time experimenting with subs recently.

I have here a REL T5i and REL HT 1003 - both bought new. They are quite different beasts. The HT 1003 goes lower more easily, but its internal crossovers means it impacts more on the higher frequencies 200+Hz. This is OK with TV satellite type speakers where there is a big frequency hole to fill, but with Hi Fi it tramples all over the lower frequencies of the bass drivers which is not good. The T5i on the other hand has much more effective low pass filters built in and integrates very well with Hi Fi. By comparison to the HT 1003 it has less impact and depth, but it is more musical. In a medium size room it lacks the oomph of a bigger sub. With the T5i, I can barely hear any vocals when played on its own which is good from my perspective.

I've recently explored the options
1. Add a second REL T5 sub
2. Swap to a REL T7X
3. Move to BK XXLS400 FF at half the price of the T7x

I have just yesterday pushed the button on the BK sub. The RELs have 8" drivers and the BK has a 12 inch Peerless driver. It gets great reviews. Should be with me in a week.

[Rush2112]

Well I would certainly look at a sub for your system particularly if you like the MA 20's, so which to choose, well REL or Sonus are great options, I use a Sonus Faber Gravis for music and AV, fed separately for each (I have a high quality switching box), so I set the Gravis up by ear for music then use the Audyssey on the Denon AV amp for setting the AV sub out level, this gives me pretty much optimum for both. As for integration both are easy to adjust and can give really great results, positioning in the room is certainly worth spending some time on and there are some good YouTube videos to help, take a look at the Martin Logan ones which make the set up really easy to follow, as the principles are pretty much the same for every manufacturers subs. Most of all trust your ears, if it sounds right to you, it is right !

[Rembrandt 1]

Thanks for the advice and support. I'm very interested in this Warfedale sw15 ,15 inch driver,is not joke.For jazz and organ pieces, sometimes big filharmonic orchestra..Thell me your experiences with this particular model.,,How much is worth ..Or maybe Velodyn..!!???https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220520/8b44dc79025fc4c4d26bf65cd8d93217.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220520/2d9c8e20c6bdf16565c7d3ae4d1dc9a5.jpg

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[Pepperamip]

I've owned a BK XLS200 FF and found it excellent for its diminutive size and cheap too.

Added bonus is they do most models in DF (downward firing) or FF (forward firing) They sell returns on eBay at discount.


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[bumpy]

I've owned a BK XLS200 FF and found it excellent for its diminutive size and cheap too.

Added bonus is they do most models in DF (downward firing) or FF (forward firing) They sell returns on eBay at discount.


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The E bay B grades are generally not returns.

At the start of manufacture, if a cabinet comes from the 'paint shop' and has any imperfections at all, such as a tiny air bubble in the paint it is assigned a B Grade.

When you order, it is then built into a sub alongside all the others. Mine is a B grade but I'm damned if I can find the 'imperfection'. Their standards must be very high.

I highly recommend BK. I ordered a B Grade on the Friday and it arrived Wed morning looking brand new in every way.

Incidentally the XLS400FF is fantastic.

[Pigmy Pony]

Unless you have a solid floor I would advise against a DF model, or your floor may be singing along with the speakers. My BK XLS-200 is a downward firing model. Which was fine for movies. I plan to try it for music with a solid slab of something underneath, because as it is it's all a bit fat and ill-defined.

I agree they are excellent, especially for the money. Mine has been switched on permanently for most of its 8 years, and no issues whatsoever.

[bumpy]

Unless you have a solid floor I would advise against a DF model, or your floor may be singing along with the speakers. My BK XLS-200 is a downward firing model. Which was fine for movies. I plan to try it for music with a solid slab of something underneath, because as it is it's all a bit fat and ill-defined.

I agree they are excellent, especially for the money. Mine has been switched on permanently for most of its 8 years, and no issues whatsoever.

I agree that in most circumstances the FF is best. Funnily enough I found that something like sorbothane stops the process of bass transferring to the floor and then the walls which sing along. There is a recent thread on here about it.

[Sherwood]

Unless you have a solid floor I would advise against a DF model, or your floor may be singing along with the speakers. My BK XLS-200 is a downward firing model. Which was fine for movies. I plan to try it for music with a solid slab of something underneath, because as it is it's all a bit fat and ill-defined.

I agree they are excellent, especially for the money. Mine has been switched on permanently for most of its 8 years, and no issues whatsoever.

I have the DF model and a concrete floor. The sound is tight, deep, dynamic and rhythmic. I think this model is hard to beat at anywhere near its price.

[Pigmy Pony]

I have the DF model and a concrete floor. The sound is tight, deep, dynamic and rhythmic. I think this model is hard to beat at anywhere near its price.

VFM probably helped by the lack of dealer margins, I reckon you'd have to spend double elsewhere to get near the performance. Mine was £330 eight years ago for gloss black version. I doubt price has increased much.

[Rembrandt 1]

I have opportunities to listen Rel t9i..Im interested ,to upgrade my audio system.How much worth second hand..I try listen in my room whit my Roksan Caspian amplifier and Monitor Audio gs20.. Some rock, organ pieces,..

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[Rembrandt 1]

Tell me your experiences with Rel company,one sub or pair.. Difference???!!! Thanks.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220526/041ce6289d7a5a4cc8937c4ae9d17d9d.jpg

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[Lawrence001]

Definitely get 2 smaller subs as a stereo pair than one larger sub that's my view. Although if you are after subterranean bass, then you might prefer one large one. If you have a big room then you can get 2 big ones, best of both worlds [emoji16]

[Pigmy Pony]

Using two subs rather than one is usually recommended. I found this video using a pair of REL subs when researching possible "upgrades" for my speakers. Which are Zu Omen Defs, same as the ones in the video btw.

I might yet go down this route. Secondhand T9is can be found for £600 or so, but next size down may well be sufficient.


https://youtu.be/Pqw7WRnItT0

[bumpy]

Worth a read.

If you are using your sub below 80Hz its sound source cannot be located so having two subs is an expensive luxury.

Those people bringing the sub frequencies up to meet say bookshelf speakers, will benefit from a stereo pair

https://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_basslocalization.php

[Macca]

using two or more subs will cancel room resonances, that's why people use more than one, nothing to do with stereo imaging.

[bumpy]

We will have to differ on this one. At these long wavelengths (many times the length of the room) the chances of getting cancellation of room resonances are slim.

The best one could hope for is optimisation at the listening seat and I would suggest that this can be better achieved by movement of the single sub within the room or by room treatments.

[Macca]

There's nothing to differ about. The reason people use ,multiple subwoofers is to give even bass in all locations, which is why you often see them in dedicated home cinema set ups. Yes, for one listening spot one sub will be fine. After all if you can hear the sub doing its thing distinctly then it's not set up right.

[Macca]

There's nothing to differ about. The reason people use ,multiple subwoofers is to give even bass in all locations, which is why you often see them in dedicated home cinema set ups. Yes, for one listening spot one sub will be fine. After all if you can hear the sub doing its thing distinctly then it's not set up right, so no need for two for 'stereo'.