View Full Version : Living with a Toyota Hybrid? (Toyota Corolla Sports Tourer)
I am thinking of test driving a Corolla Sports Tourer of the 2 litre variety.
Before I do, I have a few questions:
What is the real world mpg figures of this car?
What is the eCVT like to live with, regarding motorway journeys?
What exactly do the shifter paddles do on a CVT box?
I am looking for a comfortable family car, that is relatively cheap to run. This seems to tick all.of the boxes, but I have never driven a CVT transmission before. I have concerns of it being noisy on a motorway, hence why I ask.
Not sure re the corolla tbh but i have the C-HR hybrid which is a nice car to drive and is bigger than it looks(but not a sports performance one even though it looks it a bit) The cvt's do change a bit from company to company and ive also had one from Nissan too. If you dont have a heavy right foot and put it in sports mode it will still drive nicely but be a bit more responsive. This reponsiveness will improve too as you drive it. Mine is an 1800cc and i get from 49 to 63mpg for most part, but on short runs and driving like grandpa ive had over 90 in right conditions; just dont expect it.
Major issue with hybrids is the 12v battery is inclined to go flat if not driven/charged regularly. It is charged via the traction battery, and its mostly only job is to energise the relays etc and run the 12v system at times. There is no starter as the traction battery kicks the engine in and off.
Toyota are experts in this tech so it should do what it says it will and their safety kit is top notch and mostly fitted to all cars.
I might add the 2 litre version of chr is much faster im told without losing much in the mpg. a fair bit dearer tho and i expect it to be same engine
Thanks Grant.
How is the noise level on the motorway from the drive train?
I am not 100% on the 2 litre, but 122 BHP from the 1.8 just does not seem enough for a fully laden car and hills.
Thanks Grant.
How is the noise level on the motorway from the drive train?
I am not 100% on the 2 litre, but 122 BHP from the 1.8 just does not seem enough for a fully laden car and hills.
its not too bad, although mine's a higher car so more wind noise i guess, but its acceptable; just turn up the audio. tyres are low roll resistance so can be slightly noisier i believe but im mostly very happy with car as it drives very well. Lots of aids to assist too. the rear cross traffic one is superb. especially reversing out of my driveway or supermarkets etc. spots cars, pedestrians etc. it can do partial self park but you have to selct gear and break etc i think. its not a full system like mercs. I tried it once and it did work, so if anyone has parking issues it will be a boon i guess.
might add the chr loaded as mine is close to with me and my scooter/hoist combo(nearing 2 metric ton fully loaded.. 1.86 i think) etc drives fine at motorway speeds and i get good mpg on it. doesnt seem to lack ability but sure the 2 litre will be much perkier; ives heard its better with the chr anyway but its not cheap
dave2010
19-07-2021, 12:53
I had to look this model up - https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/corolla-touring-sports/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwxdSHBhCdARIsAG6zhlX4Ri9kZDhVQCq4hJj 1t8NvCWmC2X2de0qtaJxLckw1pC5cgHccBb0aAhX8EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
My guess is that on many drives the performance will be close to what is actually claimed by Toyota. You should certainly get 50 mpg - possibly more. A lot also depends on what you want to use if for - short trips/commuting, or long motorway outings and holidays.
You could consider some Toyota plug-in hybrids, which might go 30 miles or so before the petrol engine kicks in. Those might be really economic - but you would probably lose luggage space and perhaps reduce the number of seats - so might not work for you. If you do a lot of short journeys and there aren't many in the car, then a plug-in hybrid might be good for you. I test drove a Prius plug-in which I thought was a breeze to drive, but it was a 2019 or 2018 model, and wasn't configured well for luggage or seating. I could perhaps have got it for a knock down price if I made the dealer an offer - but I balked at paying even £18k for it, preferring to look at other cars, all newer models.
The head up display in the model I drove was interesting - but I don't think it added much to the experience really. A good idea which didn't quite work for me.
The standard Prius cars could have the back seats pushed down - great for bringing things back from IKEA or other shops - or taking stuff to the dump. I think the model you've been looking at may be similar.
I certainly was considering replacing my car with the sort of cars you are looking at when it had to be "put to sleep". Instead I went for totally electric, and even despite a not inconsiderable number of issues with the Tesla Model 3, I don't think I'd want to go back to another car now. However, the Model 3 is probably not quite right for some family cars, and if you had kids who could drive you wouldn't want to let them near it. I drive it mostly in Chill mode (i.e. slow) - but in Standard mode it gets up to speed so fast that one hardly has time to react if anything goes wrong. It also just eats up hills.
I have 16 mile commute (one way). No motorways. Max legal speed is 50mph. Was looking at a PHEV, but not sure the extra cost is worth it.
Normally have minimum one 3 hour mixed road (incl. motorway) trip per month.
Need a big boot to keep Mrs H happy. Looking to spend €30k max if I can help it.
dave2010
19-07-2021, 21:44
Are you going for new ones, or nearly new, or several years old?
Nearly new is my current thought.
hifi_dave
20-07-2021, 10:21
Not into technicalities but I have owned Toyota RAV-4 for many years and been extremely satisfied with all aspects.
I have now owned two hybrid RAV-4 the latest was delivered in February and it is great. At this time, the MPG is around 48 but this is mainly short journeys, not many long runs which would improve consumption further.
The car is very quiet around town and on motorways, is very comfortable, practical and roomy. It has all the gizmos you could ever desire but with my technophobia, most go unused.
I looked at the Rav4, but was not sure the 2.5 litre engine would be economical.
hifi_dave
20-07-2021, 15:47
48mpg around town is a lot better than the previous, petrol only RAV-4s I owned at around 25mpg. As I say, we haven't used it much and very few long runs, so I'm hoping for more.
Not had a Toyota CVT but I have a Subaru Forester with that style of box. Having driven manuals all my life I doubt I would go back to one, yes the engine revs a bit more when climbing hills, but for motorway cruising its as quiet as a mouse. Lucky to get 30mpg where I live as it's quite hilly hence why I have a forested with decent ground clearance. I think I read once the box in the Toyota is a Subaru box or the other way round, they have certainly collaborated together on the design.
Thanks for the feedback so far.
Still stuck between the Superb/Passat restate and the Corolla Sports Tourer.
I think I need to drive them and see what the Toyota is like.
Thanks for the feedback so far.
Still stuck between the Superb/Passat restate and the Corolla Sports Tourer.
I think I need to drive them and see what the Toyota is like.
i used to have an octavia estate.. lovely motor and great driver.. stonking amount of room too. superb is huge
dave2010
21-07-2021, 10:11
Nearly new is my current thought.Not a bad idea - makes sense.
I still think you might find that looking at plugin-hybrids might be a good thing to do - though unfortunately note that some a few years old are limited in their luggage capacity. Some of the new ones may have minimised that difficulty - and I know people who drive plugin-hybrids who say they're good.
If you have time, do also try some EVs - though currently the better ones are significantly more expensive than many cheaper fossil fuel cars - even though the running costs might be lower.
As you want a family style vehicle your options for good cars are limited.
I've seen many people recently with older Nissan Leafs - because they appear to be obtainable cheaply - and the owners reckoned they were affordable, and maintainable. I've not driven one of those, but for someone who didn't want a larger family car they might be a good option - though mostly they use a different power connector than most other European EVs. Nissan were, of course, early adopters of EV technology, and Tesla is one of the companies which has pushed EVs forward in a different market. I should also mention that when I used to commute to work - in a Prius, I was on occasions passed by drivers in Leafs at high speed.
Whether EVs work well in continental Europe i'm not sure. A lot depends on charging point availability - though for short commutes and using home charging there shouldn't be a problem. Plug-ins might still rely on a charging infrastructure to a modest extent, but that's clearly not essential.
I still (unfortunately) have a love-hate relationship with my Tesla model 3. At its best it is really good. However the cruise control keeps dropping out, which is a complete pain, and some of the other features, such as auto assist steering seem either useless or dangerous to me. I have now tried that, but anyone who does has to be prepared to take back control very forcibly within a few microseconds, to make sure the car doesn't steer itself into a wall or something else which would cause damage to the vehicle, or to someone or something outside. As for completely "hands off" driving - I'm not prepared to pay £££s more to get a feature with the auto navigation package which may still be unreliable and/or dangerous. Maybe that works better in the US than in Europe - or maybe the probability of finding things to drive into is lower there.
Not sure if any AoS members live in the US or Canada or areas where such autonomous vehicles might be allowed. If so, maybe experiences from outside the UK or Europe would be interesting to hear about.
dave2010
21-07-2021, 11:48
i used to have an octavia estate.. lovely motor and great driver.. stonking amount of room too. superb is hugeIn years gone by I had a Volvo estate. Brilliant for its time - we could shift a lot of stuff in that and I believe we took it to Italy at least once. Not so good on petrol consumption, but the turning circle was silly - i.e. very good. I also recall driving back from a tile shop with tiles for the bathroom. Risky stuff - tiles are heavy!
i used to have an octavia estate.. lovely motor and great driver.. stonking amount of room too. superb is huge
this was it.. top of range it was. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/l9MzGB.jpg
current toyota.. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/KA91zD.jpg
The garage contacted me today, knocking €1k off the price of the Superb PHEV.
I asked for €3k, and am waiting for a response, telling them I would take it on Saturday if they said yes....
Tried the Toyota today.
Main bugbear was the infotainment system, and lack of headroom in the back.
So, I have done a deal on the Superb.
brian2957
21-07-2021, 16:36
Which model is it Kevin?
Tried the Toyota today.
Main bugbear was the infotainment system, and lack of headroom in the back.
So, I have done a deal on the Superb.
yeah toyotas screens are laggy..well mine is. but the newer ones have apple/android now i think. mine doesnt.
the superb is a lovely motor. sure you'll be happy with it
Which model is it Kevin?
Skoda Superb Combi 1.4 TSI PHEV 218 Style DSG6 (appparently).
It has some nice extras fitted. Hoping to pick it up on Saturday, but it depends if the garage can get it ready in time for me.
brian2957
22-07-2021, 07:02
Now that's a very nice motor mate :)
My brother taxis with a Superb. Thinks it's a Diesel though. Very nice motor :)
I hope it suits all your needs, and more :)
Now that's a very nice motor mate :)
My brother taxis with a Superb. Thinks it's a Diesel though. Very nice motor :)
I hope it suits all your needs, and more :)
I hope it will prove to be the right decision.
The aim is to commute on battery power, and save the petrol for longer trips. If it gets cold, it may be a challenge to commute just on battery.
It should be comfortable for longer journeys, but should still be able to make progress with 218BHP and 400Nm of torque.
Be handy if you can charge it at other end
I can. There are charging points at work.
Filterlab
23-07-2021, 10:38
Skoda Superb Combi 1.4 TSI PHEV 218 Style DSG6 (appparently).
It has some nice extras fitted. Hoping to pick it up on Saturday, but it depends if the garage can get it ready in time for me.
Nice car, but that DSG6 is fraught with problems (as are almost all the VW DSG boxes). Keep on top of any slight issue (juddering, hesitation, partial reverse) as if left it will costs thousands to replace.
Keep these chaps in your address book: https://www.actronics.co.uk/acinsights/dsg-6
had the 6 speed box in my octavia. it didnt judder:D best auto box is probably bmw's 8 speed
Nice car, but that DSG6 is fraught with problems (as are almost all the VW DSG boxes). Keep on top of any slight issue (juddering, hesitation, partial reverse) as if left it will costs thousands to replace.
Keep these chaps in your address book: https://www.actronics.co.uk/acinsights/dsg-6
I think they are on top of the issues now, and regular (40k) oil and filter changes seem to minimise the problems.
Filterlab
23-07-2021, 16:23
That's good then. The DSG boxes are well known for problems.
dave2010
23-07-2021, 22:29
That's good then. The DSG boxes are well known for problems.They seem a bit complicated, but perhaps if they're maintained well then many people will find them OK.
https://www.actronics.co.uk/news/how-does-a-dsg-gearbox-operate-and-what-are-the-differences-between-a-dsg6-and-dsg7/
I wonder how the electric motor(s) are connected into the drive train in the PHEV model. I hope that it works out well - would be interesting to hear in time.
I'm not sure what kind of charger is required for a PHEV. .Since the range is probably only about 30 miles - if that - in pure EV mode, then maybe a charger which runs off the mains supply will be good enough - and if there are charging points at the destination(s) - (work?) then the need for home charging might be a lot less than a pure EV. In the UK a typical high current fast home charger costs around £600-£800 installed, but there are many deals. Not sure about the situation in France.
A fast home charger can make sense to maximise the charge in the electricity cheap tariff periods - with a timed charger clearly.
Quote re the Superb PHEV
Powered by more. By working together, the SUPERB iV's 13 kWh battery and petrol engine offer a range of up 578 miles. You can charge it with a Mode 2 cable in five hours using a domestic three-pin plug. For a faster charge, the Mode 3 cable will provide 100% charge three and a half hours using a 3.6 kW wallbox
They seem a bit complicated, but perhaps if they're maintained well then many people will find them OK.
https://www.actronics.co.uk/news/how-does-a-dsg-gearbox-operate-and-what-are-the-differences-between-a-dsg6-and-dsg7/
I wonder how the electric motor(s) are connected into the drive train in the PHEV model. I hope that it works out well - would be interesting to hear in time.
I'm not sure what kind of charger is required for a PHEV. .Since the range is probably only about 30 miles - if that - in pure EV mode, then maybe a charger which runs off the mains supply will be good enough - and if there are charging points at the destination(s) - (work?) then the need for home charging might be a lot less than a pure EV. In the UK a typical high current fast home charger costs around £600-£800 installed, but there are many deals. Not sure about the situation in France.
A fast home charger can make sense to maximise the charge in the electricity cheap tariff periods - with a timed charger clearly.
Quote re the Superb PHEV
i did read a page on this but it was a bit above my paygrade:D
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/04/20140403-mqbphev.html
dave2010
24-07-2021, 09:06
i did read a page on this but it was a bit above my paygrade:D
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/04/20140403-mqbphev.html
Interesting article - VW going for modular construction over a whole range of models. Would need more examination.
My suspicion is that by including standard petrol and diesel engines in the range the resulting vehicles are not optimal, but there would be advantages in production and maintenance.
The Toyota hybrid transmissions are very good - and use some really neat design ideas to give both very good performance and smooth operation. From what I have read to date, the Toyota hybrid transmission designs are better than most of the competition, and the engine design is actually also different to match the transmission.
Of course plug-in hybrids also have the extra weight of a petrol or diesel engine - but that may be helpful for some - gives extra range - as noted in the Superb mentioned. Going to pure EVs removes the "need" to carry extra engine weight, though that is offset in terms of battery weight. Toyota haven't been so strong in pure EVs - concentrating on hybrids - though it seems they are planning to extend their range to include more EVs. Also they do have one of the very few hydrogen based cars - but at a price - https://www.toyota.co.uk/world-of-toyota/beyondzero
Pure EVs should be quieter - and simpler. However often the road noise is significant even in an EV, so it's not always obvious that EVs are quieter inside the vehicle.
Recently around us there has been a section of road which has been renewed. Yesterday I really noticed the difference in the Tesla - the noise dropped to very quiet (for a car) on that section of road.
The join between the new and the older road surfaces was obvious - and the noise levels rose back up on the rougher surfaces.
This makes me wonder if in fact road surface design is something which should be considered seriously - though it probably is - and done to the cheapest possible "standard".
People living close to motorways might be happy if road surfaces could be replaced with quieter ones. Besides sound levels, other factors for road surfaces include rate of deterioration, longevity, water drainage etc., so the quietest surfaces might not be the best from an economic and maintenance point of view.
I did look at a Model 3, but 5he boot is too small, and with the extended range version, it worked out more that I wanted to spend.
The Superb will be charged from a 16A domestic plug. It is limited to charging at 3.7kW, so no need for a charging station.
I am going to investigate the charging points at work, to see what is the cheapest option. I expect it will be home charging.
I pick the car up in a couple of weeks. I did my last long trip in the BMW today. A sad day, but it has been a great car and very reliable up to now. Only issues have been a wheel bearing, and the front engine pulley falling off.
I just know it is going to be expensive to get through the next CT, and with a clutch change coming up soon, it is best to get rid of it.
I popped into the garage on Saturday to sign the paperwork, and while I was there, I had a good look at the ID 4. Looks good…
Install a set of photovoltaic panels on your roof, and you could possibly have very low cost motoring.
The next change will be a car for the wife. I have a couple of years before I need to do this though.
That may be full electric.
I did look at a Model 3, but 5he boot is too small, and with the extended range version, it worked out more that I wanted to spend.
The Superb will be charged from a 16A domestic plug. It is limited to charging at 3.7kW, so no need for a charging station.
I am going to investigate the charging points at work, to see what is the cheapest option. I expect it will be home charging.
I pick the car up in a couple of weeks. I did my last long trip in the BMW today. A sad day, but it has been a great car and very reliable up to now. Only issues have been a wheel bearing, and the front engine pulley falling off.
I just know it is going to be expensive to get through the next CT, and with a clutch change coming up soon, it is best to get rid of it.
I popped into the garage on Saturday to sign the paperwork, and while I was there, I had a good look at the ID 4. Looks good…
Install a set of photovoltaic panels on your roof, and you could possibly have very low cost motoring.
The next change will be a car for the wife. I have a couple of years before I need to do this though.
That may be full electric.
how is the superb Kevin?
I quite like it.
It has a few added options on which make the car easy to live with, such as the Dynamic Chassis Control (adaptive dampers). You can set the suspension to the comfort level you want. It is also really quiet inside. A very comfortable car.
So far I have averaged 72mpg, which is great considering I am currently in a particularly hilly part of France, and I have been playing with the power available. I am pleasantly surprised at the throttle response for overtaking. The combination of the petrol and electric motors make it respond instantaneously.
Did a three hour run yesterday at motorway speeds. Averaged just under 60mpg which I am happy with, as I know it is not specially economical on a run, but that is better than the BMW ever did, bringing my average since I have had the car down to 69mpg.
This figure will improve as I get back into a normal routine, as I should be burning very little petrol during the week, as the battery range will be sufficient for my daily use.
In comfort mode, you just waft along on the motorway, like you are sat on a sofa. There is very little wind noise at 135km/h.
It looks like the car ticks all of the boxes, apart from one. I can’t fit a tow hitch. The car is not homologated for towing, so the bikes will have to go on the roof. I knew this when I bought it, so got the dealer to give me some free roof bars.
Another slight downside is the requirement for an annual oil change, as the engine may not get used much, so VAG have decided it needs to be changed frequently.
thats not bad for a longish motorway run. its also a big car... so more impressive
It is not small, almost 5m long, and about 1,750Kg in weight.
Loads of space in it though, especially in the rear passenger area.
The boot is a bit smaller than the normal version, due to having to move the fuel tank to make way for the battery etc.
The performance on the electric motor is good, and I am thinking my next car will probably be 100% electric.
It is not small, almost 5m long, and about 1,750Kg in weight.
Loads of space in it though, especially in the rear passenger area.
The boot is a bit smaller than the normal version, due to having to move the fuel tank to make way for the battery etc.
The performance on the electric motor is good, and I am thinking my next car will probably be 100% electric.
with the lack of options of ice vehicles on the scheme now mine may be too.
That is fine, as long as you have somewhere to charge it.
That is fine, as long as you have somewhere to charge it.
yeah i have a driveway but out and about is what concerns me tbh. might have to try and keep what i have longer
hifi_dave
19-08-2021, 16:50
That is fine, as long as you have somewhere to charge it.
Exactly so. Being out in the sticks, there is not a charging point within 20 miles or more and these are single points. Arrive there when someone else is charging and you are in for a long wait. Also, I believe, there are more than one type of connector and not all charging points are the same.
Even in a city there are nothing like enough points. Of course, if you can park outside your house and charge there, it is a bit easier but when your cable gets nicked or someone trips over it and sues you for damages, it could be a problem.
The mileage quoted for these £30K + vehicles is usually around 240 miles per charge but that is grossly inflated being measured in a lab, on a rolling road with no passengers, no heavy goods, no heating or air con. Anything other than a local journey will be heart in mouth time whilst you constantly watch the gauge.
I don't see a future for electric cars until we are able to charge within 5 minutes, as with petrol and there are as many charging points as petrol pumps now. What about Hydrogen ? that appears to be far more practical and doesn't rely on dwindling supplies of minerals to make batteries. Where will the power come from to charge cars when we all have one ?
dave2010
19-08-2021, 18:13
I did look at a Model 3, but the boot is too small, and with the extended range version, it worked out more than I wanted to spend.
I'm interested in your Superb - keep us up to date on that. Re the Model 3 - the extended range version is indeed quite expensive - though if you want a really fast and comfortable car it's actually relatively cheap. I recently looked at the specs of a few other cars - including the hydrogen based cars - such as the Mirai and the new one, and in terms of performance for price - if you really want acceleration and a high top speed - then the Model 3 is really competitive.
There are some petrol models which get close or beat it on performance, and the Porsche EV is very fast indeed with terrific acceleration - but it's more than twice the price - over £100k.
One thing the Tesla has which few others do is a reasonably OK entertainment system - that's really helpful. It could and should be better, but even so it's really good.
Just noticed a "stupid" change in the local charging stations in a car park not too far from here. Firstly the council decided a little while back to start charging for electricity. Consequently having put in about 6 charging units, hardly anyone uses them now. At 30p per kWh it's cheaper to charge at home - even during the day time - and at night the costs drop to 5p per unit.
The next stupid thing is that now there's a 45 minute time limit on the chargers. That makes sense if there are hogs who stop other people from using the chargers (note - I just wrote that hardly anyone uses them now ....) - but it's nonsensical if someone comes up around here on holiday as the chargers aren't going to be able to deliver a full charge for a very depleted battery in 45 minutes. Tesla chargers might do that - but the ones in the council run car park are only medium speed units, so it would be quite easy to take over an hour to get a decent charge.
I'm not over happy about the discriminatory pricing either - though there are arguments for and against. Tesla owners can do a charge in several locations along and around the A9 - including some chargers in Inverness, Aviemore, Perth and further south. The costs are moderate to high - but for people who do long distance travel that's probably less important than being able to get a charge, and to do so in a fairly short time.
Currently I think the "entrance fee" for being able to use those chargers is to actually buy a Tesla car. Tesla's charging network is currently better for long distance travel than other operators - though eventually that may change.
I don't think the politicians and bureaucrats have a clue about how to change people's behaviour sensibly.
One of the reasons now why I like EVs is that there's no petrol smell - and also they are very quiet. However, for many people hybrid vehicles may be a good compromise, and many people will still find that petrol and diesel cars are significanly cheaper for them - particularly if they buy decent second hand cars.
Re the boot space on the Model 3 - it's actually not bad. Depends what you want. It's not as good for moving furniture as the Volvo estate I once had, but then very few cars are. Even a Hyndai i10 might be better for moving some awkwardly shaped objects (e.g. desk chairs) than a Tesla Model 3 - but how often does one want to do that? We also had a Dormobile van at one time - that was good for moving loads of stuff.
I am still being driven mad by the erratic behaviour of the camera system and cruise control on my Model 3. There's clearly a fault but can I get anyone at Tesla to take that seriously? You must be joking!
First run into the office today. I still have 66% battery left, which is perfect.
I expect to use more power in the winter, but will set up the pre-heating of the car and windscreen defrosting, so it is done using the mains power.
Add in the heating and headlights and I should be closer to 50%.
Averaging 81 mpg so far.
pretty good going so far. no skodas left on scheme bar fabia.. and the phev was never on so must sell well. pretty much no vag motors on it now. :rolleyes:
I have been doing quite a bit of running around this week, mostly 100% electric but occasional use of the ICE is unavoidable.
Managed an average of 94mpg since I have owned the car. Impressive stuff.
Of course, increased electricity usage need to be taken into account, ut at less than €2 to charge the battery, this still works out cheaper than my BMW 320d to run.
I have been doing quite a bit of running around this week, mostly 100% electric but occasional use of the ICE is unavoidable.
Managed an average of 94mpg since I have owned the car. Impressive stuff.
Of course, increased electricity usage need to be taken into account, ut at less than €2 to charge the battery, this still works out cheaper than my BMW 320d to run.
sounds like you got it made.. very cheap yet luxurious travel... i did a mixed trip yesterday and got 64mpg which for a self charger is pretty decent
I bought a Toyota Fielder Hybrid at the end of last year.
Replaced my Ford Mondeo which was getting an horrendous 19mpg.
Previous to that had a Toyota Camry (loved that one), getting around 28mpg.
The Fielder is certainly quieter, has better acceleration than I expected. Still sluggish, but I'm okay with that.
Getting 51-54mpg.
Without investigation, I thought the technology would be even more fuel efficient than this.
Although very happy with the decrease in my petrol bill when compared to my Mondeo.
I bought a Toyota Fielder Hybrid at the end of last year.
Replaced my Ford Mondeo which was getting an horrendous 19mpg.
Previous to that had a Toyota Camry (loved that one), getting around 28mpg.
The Fielder is certainly quieter, has better acceleration than I expected. Still sluggish, but I'm okay with that.
Getting 51-54mpg.
Without investigation, I thought the technology would be even more fuel efficient than this.
Although very happy with the decrease in my petrol bill when compared to my Mondeo.
yeah a big swing.. in town my ford(last car) was about 15mpg, but could get it into 40's on a run. fielder is a wagoned colola is it?
Yeh, a wagon Corolla.
I was supposed to keep this car clean.
Oops...
Yeh, a wagon Corolla.
I was supposed to keep this car clean.
Oops...
a bit low for me alas but nice motors
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