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Has anyone noticed he's (sadly) died?:doh:
You may not have, if you've been on a desert island for the last day or so...
Marco.
He is dead?
It is shame he did not make 100, as he missed out on the telegram from the queen.
Indeed, but what I'm getting at is the *hugely OTT* TV coverage of his death (and also his life up until that point), as if it's automatically presumed that everyone in the UK is a Royalist, and therefore happy at having their usual programmes unceremoniously cancelled, in order to 'enjoy' endless coverage of this stuff.
You'll be missing it in France, but we've had virtually nothing else on the main TV channels here since the poor chap popped his clogs yesterday.
Marco.
Oh trust me, I am not missing it.
I remember when Princess Di died. The day of her funeral, I went out for the day in my car. It was awesome.
Hardly a soul on the road. I set off from Bristol, and headed up through Wales to play on the Evomtriangle.
I don’t really watch much TV though. The TV I do watch, I record, and watch when I want to, or when I have time.
It is a shame he has died, but 99 is a bloody good innings. He did some good things in his life, but also çame out with some hilariously non PC comments.
Filterlab
10-04-2021, 09:38
He is dead?
It is shame he did not make 100, as he missed out on the telegram from the queen.
Dear Gaffmaker,
Well done.
Yours,
Wife.
Patrick Dixon
10-04-2021, 09:49
I'm no royalist but I do think there is a lot to admire about Philip.
However the BBC coverage was just totally OTT; the same programme broadcast on all BBC TV channels (BBC1, BBC2 and BBC News 24, with BBC4 off air) at the same time and the same programme broadcast on all BBC Radio channels (R1, R2, R3, R4 on FM at least) at the same time. Fine changing the schedule to respect his death, and running special programmes on one of the main TV and Radio channels, but ALL of them?
God help us when the Queen dies; we'd better stock up with toilet rolls again.
Oh trust me, I am not missing it.
I remember when Princess Di died. The day of her funeral, I went out for the day in my car. It was awesome.
Hardly a soul on the road. I set off from Bristol, and headed up through Wales to play on the Evomtriangle.
I don’t really watch much TV though. The TV I do watch, I record, and watch when I want to, or when I have time.
It is a shame he has died, but 99 is a bloody good innings. He did some good things in his life, but also çame out with some hilariously non PC comments.
my mate and i went to a pub without a tv... got pissed;)
as for having all channel on same program; well its a form of communism, and should be banned... not that it bothers me now as i dont have tv.
Phillip was a decent bloke imo, and would probably be appauled by it all
I'm no royalist but I do think there is a lot to admire about Philip.
However the BBC coverage was just totally OTT; the same programme broadcast on all BBC TV channels (BBC1, BBC2 and BBC News 24, with BBC4 off air) at the same time and the same programme broadcast on all BBC Radio channels (R1, R2, R3, R4 on FM at least) at the same time. Fine changing the schedule to respect his death, and running special programmes on one of the main TV and Radio channels, but ALL of them?
God help us when the Queen dies; we'd better stock up with toilet rolls again.
Spot on (on all counts), but especially the bits highlighted. It's bloody ridiculous!:doh:
What I'd like to know, however, is WHO and/or WHAT controls/drives the agenda with all this stuff, and decides that the WHOLE nation WANTS to watch it morning, noon and night?
As you can bet your boots that the majority of the population will not only share your (and my) sentiments, but when switching on their TVs this morning, and being once again bombarded with the same stuff as yesterday, will be going 'FFS, not again!' 'When does it end?':rolleyes:, not 'Oh goody, bring it on!'.
So WHO exactly are the media catering for with their ridiculously OTT coverage of this event, to the near-exclusion of all else??
Marco.
as for having all channel on same program; well its a form of communism, and should be banned... not that it bothers me now as i dont have tv.
Phillip was a decent bloke imo, and would probably be appauled by it all
Indeed, it's ridiculous, although it bothers me greatly for many different reasons!
Marco.
I wonder how much telly he used to watch? Not a lot would be my guess.
I want to know what these cancelled programmes were. I can't recall there being anything worth watching on BBC1 or ITV1 in the last 20 years at least.
Even the coverage of Prince Phil's death has got to be better viewing than 'Inside The Factory', 'The One Show' or 'Countryfile' even if it is presented in the same, moronic, sub-'Blue Peter Special' style.
Great British Menu, for starters, as I'm a foodie!!:ner::D
Plus, if you're a fan of the major soaps (not me, but MILLIONS are), all of those were also cancelled.
Now of course you can take the elitist view that such stuff is crap and not worth watching, and so nothing was missed, but the point is that some people like that stuff and shouldn't be deprived of it and have their FREE choices, in a supposedly FREE country, DICTATED to by the media for days on end, just because a member of the Royal family has died.
It's simply another insidious form of mind control (which Grant has touched upon), imposed by the system, which I abhor, regardless of my feelings towards the Royal family.
Marco.
Great British Menu, for starters, as I'm a foodie!!:ner::D
Plus, if you're a fan of the major soaps (not me, but MILLIONS are), all of those were also cancelled.
Now of course you can take the elitist view that such stuff is crap and not worth watching, and so nothing was missed, but the point is that some people like that stuff and shouldn't be deprived of it and have their FREE choices, in a supposedly FREE country, DICTATED to by the media for days on end, just because a member of the Royal family has died.
It's simply another insidious form of mind control (which Grant has touched upon), imposed by the system, which I abhor, regardless of my feelings towards the Royal family.
Marco.
But I can equally argue that I have zero interest in food programmes (which is true) but there are dozens of them choking the schedules daily (also true) when they could be showing something that I want to watch instead.
The reality is the Prince Phil coverage will die down after a couple of days and you get your food shows back whereas I get nothing of interest to me in perpetuity.
Filterlab
10-04-2021, 10:34
Indeed, it's ridiculous, although it bothers me greatly for many different reasons!
Marco.
Normal programming on Netflix and Prime. That's why I don't watch any broadcast TV.
But I can equally argue that I have zero interest in food programmes (which is true) but there are dozens of them choking the schedules daily (also true) when they could be showing something that I want to watch instead.
The reality is the Prince Phil coverage will die down after a couple of days and you get your food shows back whereas I get nothing of interest to me in perpetuity.
I agree, but that's a different argument. We could all complain about there not being enough of the programmes we like broadcast on TV, and of the 'shite' that's on instead.
However, it's a different thing when you're following a regular series, and which you expect to be on at a certain day and time, being unceremoniously cancelled because someone else has decided you should be watching something else that they've decided is 'more important'!
Everyone should have the FREE choice to watch what THEY want, based on the choice that's available on the usual TV schedule, and not have it dictated to them by someone else, regardless of the arguable quality or diversity of that choice. That's my point.
Marco.
Normal programming on Netflix and Prime. That's why I don't watch any broadcast TV.
Sure mate, that's fine if you like the stuff that's on there. For me, a lot of it is bollox. Thank goodness I didn't have to pay for my Netflix subscription (was invited by a friend), as I rarely use it.
There are a lot of TV programmes I enjoy and follow on the BBC, dramas such as Line of Duty, foodie and antiques programmes, football/sports programmes, music programmes, all sorts, and similar applies to ITV and CH4, none of which is available on the platforms you mention - and I want to be able to do enjoy them, instead of having my viewing flooded by what amounts to pro-royalist propaganda.
Marco.
prestonchipfryer
10-04-2021, 11:00
Gun salute for a great man on right now.
Filterlab
10-04-2021, 11:50
Sure mate, that's fine if you like the stuff that's on there. For me, a lot of it is bollox. Thank goodness I didn't have to pay for my Netflix subscription (was invited by a friend), as I rarely use it.
There are a lot of TV programmes I enjoy and follow on the BBC, dramas such as Line of Duty, foodie and antiques programmes, football/sports programmes, music programmes, all sorts, and similar applies to ITV and CH4, none of which is available on the platforms you mention - and I want to be able to do so, instead of having my viewing flooded by pro-royalist propaganda.
Marco.
You're in their hands, which is why you're getting a load of garbage.
Me, I like to choose what I watch. :)
I agree, but that's a different argument. We could all complain about there not being enough of the TV programmes we like broadcast on TV, and of the 'shite' that's on instead.
However, it's a different thing when you're following a regular series, and which you expect to be on at a certain day and time, being unceremoniously cancelled because someone else has decided you should be watching something else that they've decided is 'more important'!
.
But it is more important than Eastenders or some food show. You opt to live in a country with a monarchy, and a monarchy that is liked and respected by the vast majority. You have to take the rough with the smooth.
I notice that 'Great British Menu' on BB2 has been cancelled in favour of the women's football, not Prince Phillip.
mad-moon
10-04-2021, 11:55
for Marco...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/bbc-sets-up-complaints-page-for-viewers-who-want-less-coverage-of-duke-of-edinburgh-s-death/ar-BB1fviVN?ocid=msedgntp
You opt to live in a country with a monarchy, and a monarchy that is liked and respected by the vast majority. You have to take the rough with the smooth.
I didn't 'opt' to live in this country - I was born here. What do you suggest I do - emigrate?
But it is more important than Eastenders or some food show. You opt to live in a country with a monarchy, and a monarchy that is liked and respected by the vast majority. You have to take the rough with the smooth.
For me (the food show), yes , because as sad as it is for any human being to die, I couldn't give two hoots about the Royal family. I have ZERO interest in what I consider in today's society is a vulgar and grossly outdated institution.
Beyond hearing about Prince Philip's passing ONCE in the news, I don't need reminded about it again, far less have the main TV channels flooded with the story for days!
To repeat what Patrick said:
Fine changing the schedule to respect his death, and running special programmes on one of the main TV and Radio channels, but ALL of them?
Tell me, WHAT justification is there for that??
I haven't 'opted' to live in a country with a monarchy; it was where I was born, which of course I had no choice in. If I had made that choice, I'd be living in Italy.
That's not to say that I don't enjoy living in the UK, I do, as it's what I've mostly known, but it doesn't mean I have to automatically like its traditions and can't criticise them.
The blanket coverage of PP's death is fine if you're a flag-waving Brit, and can't see past the Royals, but that's not me. I'm an Italian Roman Catholic, who just happens to have been born in Scotland, so have no natural affinity with the Royal family or indeed anything else that's of predominantly English/Protestant interest.
Marco.
mad-moon
10-04-2021, 12:10
Don't watch mainstream tv....
BBC iPlayer..ITV hub..My5..More4..amazon prime and netflix have shit loads of foodie stuff..antiques programs...box sets..etc etc etc...cherry pick what you want to watch...There's little on mainstream tv anyway...all the big lads have all the top stuff..sky, virgin etc.....and you have to subscribe to the majority of it..but you can pick out single items for a couple of quids if you want to...just a sign of the times really...every fucker wants your money...soon..you won't be able to watch any TV without having to pay someone...and the TV license will be £600 per annum..
for Marco...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/bbc-sets-up-complaints-page-for-viewers-who-want-less-coverage-of-duke-of-edinburgh-s-death/ar-BB1fviVN?ocid=msedgntp
Hear, hear - and quite fucking right, as it's been beyond ridiculous!!
Marco.
I didn't 'opt' to live in this country - I was born here. What do you suggest I do - emigrate?
If it's really an issue for you then yes. This country is going to change anytime soon. And for all other intents and purposes we're all bloody lucky to have been born here and/or have the right to live here.
My Kurdish mate who came here as a refugee can't comprehend how much the indigenous personnel take the benefits of living in this country for granted and moan about the most trivial of things. (Although he's not keen on the fact that knocking women about if they give you grief is frowned upon here, but that's a different issue).
Filterlab
10-04-2021, 12:19
I didn't 'opt' to live in this country - I was born here. What do you suggest I do - emigrate?
Either that or just watch something else. Plenty of choice out there.
That's not the point though, Rob, as I've already explained.
Marco.
mad-moon
10-04-2021, 12:27
I didn't 'opt' to live in this country - I was born here. What do you suggest I do - emigrate?
Being born here, doesn't mean you don't have an option to live somewhere else...
Being born here, doesn't mean you don't have an option to live somewhere else...
Marco does though as he's got dual nationality. And anyone can if they've got enough cash. You can go and live in the Caribbean if you've got £250K to spend on a house.
Filterlab
10-04-2021, 12:31
That's not the point though, Rob, as I've already explained.
Marco.
But it is Marco. Nobody's forcing you to watch a particular set of TV channels or programs (if they're not showing what you want then go elsewhere), and nobody's forcing you to read the papers, or the news, or the internet for that matter.
I just ignore it and carry on as normal. :) There's plenty to look at and do without broadcast TV.
mad-moon
10-04-2021, 12:35
But it is Marco. Nobody's forcing you to watch a particular set of TV channels or programs, and nobody's forcing you to read the papers, or the news, or the internet for that matter.
I just ignore it and carry on as normal. :) There's plenty to look at and do without broadcast TV.
this is all true...but lets get back on track...The problem is, that when someone like Philip dies, or is in the news for being naughty, the coverage is just ridiculous...every channel is saturated for days and sometimes weeks...but hey...I do understand that..If you put your mind to it....you can switch it all off...put your tv box on...and watch anything you want...even without those damned adverts which are now lasting in excess of 5 minutes on some channels.....it is utterly ridiculous..
hifi_dave
10-04-2021, 12:38
I wonder how much telly he used to watch? Not a lot would be my guess.
I want to know what these cancelled programmes were. I can't recall there being anything worth watching on BBC1 or ITV1 in the last 20 years at least.
Even the coverage of Prince Phil's death has got to be better viewing than 'Inside The Factory', 'The One Show' or 'Countryfile' even if it is presented in the same, moronic, sub-'Blue Peter Special' style.
Spot on. Nothing much worth watching for some time.
But it is Marco. Nobody's forcing you to watch a particular set of TV channels or programs (if they're not showing what you want then go elsewhere), and nobody's forcing you to read the papers, or the news, or the internet for that matter.
Sure, mate, but you're still missing the point. I'm indirectly being forced not to be able to watch the programmes *I want* to watch, when they should've been broadcast, because of something I have little interest in.
And I'm not just ignoring it, because having my choices [with anything, not just TV programmes] dictated to like that is something that greatly irks me. And I prefer much of the broadcast material to most of what is available elsewhere, therefore I won't derive the same enjoyment from watching the latter, as I would the former.
Marco.
Filterlab
10-04-2021, 12:47
this is all true...but lets get back on track...The problem is, that when someone like Philip dies, or is in the news for being naughty, the coverage is just ridiculous...every channel is saturated for days and sometimes weeks.
It is, and that's because of the absence of real news. :lol: And I agree, it's ridiculous - but then all the news media is these days. Think back a couple of weeks to the woman that was killed. Apparently a 'national outcry' as a white female was killed (leading to the 'all men are evil' reports). On the same day a black female was killed in London and nary a word was said.
It's all ridiculous mate, all of it.
But the media genuinely have very little to write about so they do one of two things; harp on about it until people puke, or make something up and then harp on about it until people puke.
This is the news! :D
Sure, mate, but you're still missing the point. I'm indirectly being forced not to be able to watch the programmes *I want* to watch, when they should've been broadcast, because of something I have little interest in.
And I'm not just ignoring it, because having my choices [with anything, not just TV programmes] dictated to like that is something that greatly irks me. And I prefer much of the broadcast material to most of what is available elsewhere, therefore I won't derive the same pleasure from watching the latter, as I would the former.
Marco.
Indeed. But 100% of the time you're in the broadcaster's hands as to what they put on and when. This is no different, they're still putting on what they want and when. It's just different from the Radio Times' listing. :D
this is all true...but lets get back on track...The problem is, that when someone like Philip dies, or is in the news for being naughty, the coverage is just ridiculous...every channel is saturated for days and sometimes weeks...but hey...I do understand that..
I don't (or rather how it's justified), so perhaps you could explain it to me?;)
Marco.
mad-moon
10-04-2021, 12:51
What should happen is, should you want to follow the death of Philip., press the red button on your remote now... and leave what has been broadcast alone. I see Marcos point on this matter..
What should happen is, should you want to follow the death of Philip., press the red button on your remote now... and leave what has been broadcast alone. I see Marcos point on this matter..
Exactly that, yes, or similar, and it could easily be done, and therefore keep everyone happy! So what's their excuse for not doing so?
I feel exactly the same when Trooping of the bloody Colour also dominates, but at least that's over with a damn sight quicker...!:doh:
Marco.
mad-moon
10-04-2021, 12:55
Originally Posted by mad-moon:
this is all true...but lets get back on track...The problem is, that when someone like Philip dies, or is in the news for being naughty, the coverage is just ridiculous...every channel is saturated for days and sometimes weeks...but hey...I do understand that..
I don't (or rather how it's justified), so perhaps you could explain it to me?;)
Marco.
You don't understand that you can switch your tv box on and watch what you like????????????????? finish the quote Marco..
I do understand that..If you put your mind to it....you can switch it all off...put your tv box on...and watch anything you want...even without those damned adverts which are now lasting in excess of 5 minutes on some channels.....it is utterly ridiculous..
I thought you were saying you can understand why the coverage is just ridiculous and every channel is saturated for days and sometimes weeks.
If you re-read what you wrote, you'll see that's how it comes across:)
Marco.
So not content with mass media coverage, you go and start a thread on it as well?
:rfl:
I do understand that..If you put your mind to it....you can switch it all off...put your tv box on...and watch anything you want...
Not so, and that's the point, and which unfortunately seems to be falling on deaf ears...
What if I'm following a particular series, drama, or whatever, being shown in weekly episodes, say on the BBC, and *I* want to watch the next episode on the day and time it was due to be broadcast, not at some other time afterwards, which might not suit me, and furthermore if I don't want to watch something else instead, simply to avoid the British media's ridiculous pro-royalist agenda?
How is that me being able to watch *anything* I want [with the emphasis on anything]?;)
That's NOT the case, is it...?:)
Marco.
So not content with mass media coverage, you go and start a thread on it as well?
:rfl:
:lolsign:
Got to rant at someone or something to get it out of my system!:D
Marco.
mad-moon
10-04-2021, 13:43
Not so, and that's the point, and which unfortunately seems to be falling on deaf ears...
What if I'm following a particular series, drama, or whatever, being shown in weekly episodes, say on the BBC, and *I* want to watch the next episode on the day and time it was due to be broadcast, not at some other time afterwards, which might not suit me, and furthermore if I don't want to watch something else instead, simply to avoid the British media's ridiculous pro-royalist agenda?
How is that me being able to watch *anything* I want [with the emphasis on anything]?;)
That's NOT the case, is it...?:)
Marco.
Yes Marco...you'd argue black was white and shite was all colours....If you don't like the replies on this thread...you can always go to another section of the site and watch that...:ner:
I never said I didn't like the replies (indeed agreed with one of yours, where you made a valid point about use of the 'red button'), but I'm perfectly entitled to disagree with or highlight inconsistencies in someone's P.O.V, if I consider it as justified - that's what you call a discussion:ner:;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
10-04-2021, 14:12
Honestly, page after bloody page of this complaining! One or two pages, fair enough. But really? :D
It could be argued that I can always go and look at other topics on this forum, but that's not the point. Why should the scheduled forum cack be interrupted in this way for so many pages? :ner:
Patrick Dixon
10-04-2021, 14:15
Honestly, page after bloody page of this complaining! One or two pages, fair enough. But really? :D
At least all the threads are not the same.
Honestly, page after bloody page of this complaining! One or two pages, fair enough. But really? :D
It could be argued that I can always go and look at other topics on this forum, but that's not the point. Why should the scheduled forum cack be interrupted in this way for so many pages? :ner:
A valid point, and one which at some point I will duly consider!:D:lol:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
10-04-2021, 14:23
At least all the threads are not the same.
:D We'll see about that...
At least all the threads are not the same.
Ha - indeed, unlike.... Well, you know;)
Just been watching some catch up TV from last night, on a channel outside of the 'mainstream suspects', and guess what was emblazoned across the bottom of the screen in big bold letters, throughout the duration of the programme:
"Please tune to the BBC News for a breaking news story."
...subsequently shrinking the size of the picture to a fraction of what it should have been, and completely spoiling the viewing experience!:doh:
How is such badgering in any way justified? It's unadulterated brainwashing, pure and simple.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
10-04-2021, 14:40
Ha - indeed, unlike.... Well, you know;)
Just been watching some catch up TV from last night, on a channel outside of the 'usual suspects', and guess what was emblazoned across the bottom of the screen in big bold letters, throughout the duration of the programme:
"Please tune to the BBC News for a breaking news story."
...subsequently shrinking the size of the picture to a fraction of what it should have been!!:doh:
How it that in any way justified? It's unadulterated brainwashing.
Marco.
Serves you right for not buying a bigger telly ya tightwad :D
Ha - well of course that would be the case no matter what size of TV I had!
Btw, please stop spamming threads with messages about Prince Philip. I just spent the last few minutes deleting them all.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
10-04-2021, 15:19
Ha - well of course that would be the case no matter what size of TV I had!
Btw, please stop spamming threads with messages about Prince Philip. I just spent the last few minutes deleting them all.
Marco.
Is that what it's called, spamming? Sorry about that. Time to get back to regular nonsense :) But just out of curiosity (forgive my ignorance), why bother deleting? Does that sort of thing harm the forum? I thought it would just be ignored, like I'm doing with the HRH telly coverage :)
Is that what it's called, spamming? Sorry about that. Time to get back to regular nonsense :) But just out of curiosity (forgive my ignorance), why bother deleting?
You've half-answered your own question. Spamming isn't permitted, in any shape or form. Plastering near-identical messages all over the forum is tantamount to what trolls/spammers do, hence why it was removed.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
10-04-2021, 15:44
You've half-answered your own question. Spamming isn't permitted, in any shape or form. Plastering near-identical messages all over the forum is tantamount to what trolls/spammers do, hence why it was removed.
Marco.
My mistake. I'll consider my bum well and truly smacked.
friendly
10-04-2021, 15:51
Six pages and not a single mention of the TV Licence?
And of course the misuse of the fee. Public broadcasting China style.
Hi Gavin,
Could you expand on your point, which sounds interesting; specifically on how you believe that the TV licence has been misused?:)
However, I thoroughly agree with your last sentence, hence why I feel so strongly about it!
Marco.
Beobloke
10-04-2021, 16:09
However, it's a different thing when you're following a regular series, and which you expect to be on at a certain day and time, being unceremoniously cancelled because someone else has decided you should be watching something else that they've decided is 'more important'!
Everyone should have the FREE choice to watch what THEY want, based on the choice that's available on the usual TV schedule, and not have it dictated to them by someone else, regardless of the arguable quality or diversity of that choice. That's my point.
Marco.
Now you know how I feel when the bloody World Cup final is broadcast on both BBC 1 and ITV AT THE SAME TIME!
WTF is that all about?
So you have a choice of commentary.
Yup, no excuse for that either, Adam. Just because I'm a footy fan, doesn't mean that I'm going to be guilty of double standards.
Trust me, I feel EXACTLY the same when England are playing an international friendly game against some nondescript team, which is of ZERO interest to me, but which the BBC and/or ITV have regardless deemed to be of great interest to the whole of the UK, and rather 'thoughtfully' rearranged the TV schedule accordingly!:doh:
There needs to be much less (often ill-considered) 'presumptions' made by the programme planners for what the majority of viewers want to watch, and instead far more consideration and thought put into what said majority *actually do* want to watch, plus more fairness applied when catering for the rest!
Marco.
So you have a choice of commentary.
Ha - it won't really matter, as it'll be biased towards England anyway!!:ner:;)
Marco.
An elderly Lady lost the love of her Life.
As a feeling fellow Human being my heart goes out to Her and her Family.
Hers must be breaking right now, made worse by her duty to make a statement.
”How the actual Fuck do you think I’m feeling right now, but thanks for asking.”
Feelings about the Monarchy taking a backseat for this one, argument for another Day...sorry about your loss Mrs.
I agree with your sentiments, Gaz. However, perhaps if the media or 'powers that be' hadn't insisted on force-feeding blanket coverage of such to the nation, then the criticism you're referring to wouldn't have happened?
It's the recently increasing removal of one's free choices in other areas, not just this, and you'll know what I'm referring to in that respect, which is getting to become a concern for some about just how much of a free country we now actually live in...
Marco.
7 pages :eek: thank god i got rid of tv... i will stick to my films.... but i do agree, that putting anything out on every channel is not democratic in any way. it can cause upset too, and im sure the queen wouldnt want that either. the broadcasters need to have a look at themselves, in trying to get best share of the ratings over this.
he was a decent man, and queen is a decent woman. All this does is marginalise them more through no fault of their own.
7 pages :eek: thank god i got rid of tv... i will stick to my films.... but i do agree, that putting anything out on every channel is not democratic in any way. it can cause upset too, and im sure the queen wouldnt want that either. the broadcasters need to have a look at themselves, in trying to get best share of the ratings over this.
Indeed, mate, and now next week's old firm Scottish Cup tie at Ibrox is in jeopardy because it might clash with the funeral:doh:
What has a football game being played 100s of miles from Buckingham Palace got to do with that?
Marco.
friendly
10-04-2021, 17:54
Yup, no excuse for that either, Adam. Just because I'm a footy fan, doesn't mean that I'm going to be guilty of double standards.
Trust me, I feel EXACTLY the same when England are playing an international friendly game against some nondescript team, which is of ZERO interest to me, but which the BBC and/or ITV have regardless deemed to be of great interest to the whole of the UK, and rather 'thoughtfully' rearranged the TV schedule accordingly!:doh:
There needs to be much less (often ill-considered) 'presumptions' made by the programme planners for what the majority of viewers want to watch, and instead far more consideration and thought put into what said majority *actually do* want to watch, plus more fairness applied when catering for the rest!
Marco.
Marco I think you voiced my opinion perfectly in this last paragraph
Marco I think you voiced my opinion perfectly in this last paragraph
So just to be clear, Gwyn (apologies for referring to you earlier as Gavin - I just glanced at your username without reading it properly), are you saying that the licence fee was misused as a result of not offering people more of a free choice of what to watch?:)
I'm also interested in your reference to China...so are you saying [much as Grant did earlier] that our broadcasters, and/or those who control them, are guilty of communist behaviour? If so, I do agree, which is why I think it needs exposing and eradicating, lest we see more of such unsavoury and distinctly undemocratic behaviour from them in future.
Returning to the article Alan linked to earlier (see here: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/bbc-sets-up-complaints-page-for-viewers-who-want-less-coverage-of-duke-of-edinburgh-s-death/ar-BB1fviVN?ocid=msedgntp) I had to laugh at the comments from Royal commentator, Richard Fitzwilliams, who due to his position is obviously heavily biased, I quote:
"The BBC’s coverage after the passing of the Duke of Edinburgh, has, as far as I have seen and heard, been exemplary".
Well it might've been "exemplary" if you're a card-carrying, flag-waving Royalist, but otherwise no!
As we've said, the programme planners, or whoever is behind these decisions to saturate mainstream TV with a particular topic (whatever it is), need to put their biases aside and get out of the bad habit of automatically presuming that the viewing public are as interested in what's been broadcast as they *think* they are, and worse, not imposing such control on people's ability to make THEIR OWN choice of what content to watch, especially such as with the BBC, on a platform that THE VIEWING PUBLIC/tax payers pay for!
Marco.
Patrick Dixon
10-04-2021, 19:03
Returning to the article Alan linked to earlier (see here: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/bbc-sets-up-complaints-page-for-viewers-who-want-less-coverage-of-duke-of-edinburgh-s-death/ar-BB1fviVN?ocid=msedgntp) I had to laugh at the comments from Royal commentator, Richard Fitzwilliams, who due to his position is obviously heavily biased, I quote:
"The BBC’s coverage after the passing of the Duke of Edinburgh, has, as far as I have seen and heard, been exemplary".
Well it might've been "exemplary" if you're a card-carrying, flag-waving Royalist, but otherwise no!
The programmes were fine (well in so far as I watched/listened), it's just the blanket approach that I object to.
Same here, but my point is that only if you're a royalist (or if not a masochist) would you have appreciated the 'blanket coverage', which is a somewhat polite way of putting it, as otherwise there's no way you'd have been able to have sat through it alll!:doh:
It would've been rather like asking a staunch Tory to watch endless reruns of Labour party political broadcasts, and like it!:rolleyes:
Personally, I'd rather have stuck pins in my eyes...
Marco.
mad-moon
10-04-2021, 19:33
Six pages and not a single mention of the TV Licence?
And of course the misuse of the fee. Public broadcasting China style.
I mentioned the TV license...saying it wont be long before it is £600 per annum...and not only that...we'll be paying to watch everything on television, having to subscribe to all mainstream channels...it's coming..Don't forget to put my cheque in the post BBC...;)
mad-moon
10-04-2021, 19:37
Indeed, mate, and now next week's old firm Scottish Cup tie at Ibrox is in jeopardy because it might clash with the funeral:doh:
What has a football game being played 100s of miles from Buckingham Palace got to do with that?
Marco.
FFS..have I got to watch some fucking Scottish football match...instead of Phil's funeral? could they not have put this on a pay per view channel, for all the people interested in football??
:lolsign:
The point is that the 'powers that be' need to realise that the rest of the world doesn't stop turning (and shouldn't be prevented from such) just because a member of the Royal family has died or popped out a new sprog.
Marco.
Firebottle
11-04-2021, 07:13
The coverage was basically like carpet bombing, putting it on ALL BBC channels was total overkill. That included all radio channels as well FFS.
It soon got tiresome hearing the same announcement, then BJ's (well read) comment repeated over and over. We ended up on Planet Rock as we wanted some music.
I’ve not seen, heard, or read any news the last couple of days, have I missed something?
Can’t think why [emoji23]
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I’ve not seen, heard, or read any news the last couple of days, have I missed something?
Can’t think why [emoji23]
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I have never quite got watching golf on TV.
walpurgis
11-04-2021, 07:57
I avoid watching anything that involves hitting, kicking or throwing a ball! :)
The coverage was basically like carpet bombing, putting it on ALL BBC channels was total overkill. That included all radio channels as well FFS.
Exactly, Alan. The key phrase there is "total overkill". That's the problem with these things: it's always extremes. What's wrong instead with a response that's reasonable and proportional?
Unlike in the old days when there were only three, four, or maximum, five TV channels, so you could almost understand an event like this dominating across them, but not now when there are literally hundreds!
Therefore, there was ample opportunity to cover Prince Philip's death in as much detail as those interested would've liked, and a fitting tribute created, without having to annihilate the content that was due to be broadcast. As Alan (mad boy) correctly said, that's what the 'Red button' is for!
So BOTH could've happened simultaneously, therefore keeping EVERYONE happy - but no, that's simply not good enough for the British media, who have to be seen as fawning royalist fanboys, to appease who or what, I'm not quite sure?
Therefore, the "total overkill" nature of the media's reaction to his death is what's caused resentment for some, when it could so easily have been avoided!:doh:
Marco.
I avoid watching anything that involves hitting, kicking or throwing a ball! :)
Haha - now I *utterly detest* cricket, but I'd have gladly sat through a 5-day test match in preference to what was broadcast!
Marco.
I have never quite got watching golf on TV.
Golf: a waste of a good walk!;)
Marco.
I like to watch the golf. Even though I've no real interest in it I find it very relaxing.
Same with sheepdog trials, although they don't seem to show that anymore, which is a shame.
walpurgis
11-04-2021, 08:24
Therefore, the "total overkill" nature of the media's reaction to his death is what's caused all the resentment, when it could so easily have been avoided!:doh:
Marco.
Yes, it's time they understood that news is only news ONCE! Anything further is just an excuse for cheap TV time.
Filterlab
11-04-2021, 08:26
Golf: a waste of a good walk!;)
Marco.
It's all about the 19th hole. :D
When me and a couple of friends used to play a round way back, the challenge was getting around the course without Steve breaking one of his clubs. :lol:
Those were the days. Nowadays one would probably be arrested and fined for having a laugh.
walpurgis
11-04-2021, 08:26
Same with sheepdog trials, although they don't seem to show that anymore, which is a shame.
They couldn't show it any more after Lassie was found guilty. :D
Filterlab
11-04-2021, 08:28
There was only one course of action.
https://youtu.be/FmQ8er38XbI
Golf: a waste of a good walk!;)
Marco.
I used to enjoy playing golf. It certainly was helped by the number of beers we carried around with us as we went.
God help us when the Queen dies, on this basis it will be a fortnight of saturation coverage.
Main thing that affected my routines was the replication of BBC Radio 4 and 4 Extra broadcasts - what was the point of that?
It's all about the 19th hole. :D
Yesh, and that's what you tell your girlfriend:eyebrows:
Marco.
God help us when the Queen dies, on this basis it will be a fortnight of saturation coverage.
Main thing that affected my routines was the replication of BBC Radio 4 and 4 Extra broadcasts - what was the point of that?
To satisfy some nonsensical and pathetic politically correct protocol?
But yes, when Queenie goes it'll be a freaking nightmare. I don't believe any of us here has lived through the death of one, so we can't comment on what the reaction will be, but we can certainly predict it!:doh:
I'll be off to my igloo in the north pole!!
Marco.
Filterlab
11-04-2021, 09:28
Yesh, and that's what you tell your girlfriend:eyebrows:
Marco.
Yes, but I'm kind enough to utter the phrase 'Brace yourself!' :D
Filterlab
11-04-2021, 09:29
To satisfy some nonsensical and pathetic politically correct protocol?
But yes, when Queenie goes it'll be a freaking nightmare. I don't believe any of us here has lived through the death of one, so we can't comment on what the reaction will be, but we can certainly predict it!:doh:
I'll be off to my igloo in the north pole!!
Marco.
Given the months of TV when Diana popped off, I'm sure it'll be a constant ear and eye bashing. :(
chris@panteg
11-04-2021, 09:36
I'm constantly avoiding any news or the main channels at the moment, it's a shame he didn't quite make the hundred but enough is enough of this ott coverage, it's not like he was cut short in his prime in a car crash is it!
No doubt the BBC thought they'd receive a kicking from the likes of the Daily Mail for not being 'patriotic enough' if they didn't carpet bomb the channels with coverage of Phil's death. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
I listen to the radio in work and I thought BBC 4 Extra might be a safe haven seeing as there is no news coverage at all on the channel but is wasn't to be. Thank god for Talk Sport!
Light Dependant Resistor
11-04-2021, 10:02
Same here, but my point is that only if you're a royalist (or if not a masochist) would you have appreciated the 'blanket coverage', which is a somewhat polite way of putting it, as otherwise there's no way you'd have been able to have sat through it alll!:doh:
It would've been rather like asking a staunch Tory to watch endless reruns of Labour party political broadcasts, and like it!:rolleyes:
Personally, I'd rather have stuck pins in my eyes...
Marco.
Wait for the DVD , and on bluray at a premium price the highly anticipated, slow motion replay. :lol:
Pigmy Pony
11-04-2021, 11:24
Won't be spending a penny on that, I recorded all the coverage :D
Won't be spending a penny on that, I recorded all the coverage :D
Can you do me a copy?
Want to borrow some pins?;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
11-04-2021, 14:53
Can you do me a copy?
No worries, but I should warn you there's a bit of me and Anita "on holiday" at the end of the tape in various sexual positions. Just ignore that bit :)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56721078#:~:text=The%20BBC%20has%20received%20100% 2C000,at%20the%20age%20of%2099.
"A figure of 100,000 would make the coverage of Prince Philip's death the most complained-about piece of programming in BBC history."
Marco.
I would like to go to Russia very much — although the bastards murdered half my family.
:eek:
The bloke was a petrol head.
Final trip will be in a Land Rover.
Where are you getting that quote from, Kevin? I can find it in the above article...
Marco.
walpurgis
13-04-2021, 08:21
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56721078#:~:text=The%20BBC%20has%20received%20100% 2C000,at%20the%20age%20of%2099.
"A figure of 100,000 would make the coverage of Prince Philip's death the most complained-about piece of programming in BBC history."
Marco.
I was one of the complainants.
Lol, really?
I must admit I wasn't. Just not something I do - I prefer to moan about things here!:lol:
Marco.
walpurgis
13-04-2021, 08:29
Naturally, the Beeb will pay no heed.
Where are you getting that quote from, Kevin? I can find it in the above article...
Marco.
Google “Prince Philip funny moments”.
There are a load of them to choose from.
Jac Hawk
13-04-2021, 09:07
Just sayin guys that the british TV media dedicated 5 or 6 channels to the death of prince philip, i was sick to my back teeth as my apple watch and phone were pinging every 5 seconds telling me the same thing and now you guys have dedicated 11 pages discussing it ffs when will it end??:doh::doh::doh:
Google “Prince Philip funny moments”.
There are a load of them to choose from.
Ah I see, lol.. Yeah, he came out with some belters!:D
I tend to read things in a linear fashion, so unless otherwise indicated, I presume that any reply posted automatically relates to what preceded it:)
Marco.
Should all be done and dusted by next week.
Just sayin guys that the british TV media dedicated 5 or 6 channels to the death of prince philip, i was sick to my back teeth as my apple watch and phone were pinging every 5 seconds telling me the same thing and now you guys have dedicated 11 pages discussing it ffs when will it end??:doh::doh::doh:
Hahaha - well that's what you get for chaining yourself to technology!:ner:;)
Interesting though, how much mind control Apple devices inflict on their users....
In any case, the discussion will end when it ends, dude, the same as any other. If you no likey, then either unsubscribe from this thread or ignore it - shimplez:)
Marco.
Should all be done and dusted by next week.
Yeah, we've still got the funeral to look forward to!:doh:
Marco.
Then there will be, seemingly, endless discussion about and analysis of William and Harry at the funeral. Did they speak? Why couldn't Harry wear uniform? Are they reconciled? etc
Could be days of cheap and senseless programming.
Daft thing is, I think Philip (along with Anne) are assets to the family "firm", and I have great sympathy for the queen. All this coverage has just annoyed me.
Jac Hawk
13-04-2021, 09:47
Then there will be, seemingly, endless discussion about and analysis of William and Harry at the funeral. Did they speak? Why couldn't Harry wear uniform? Are they reconciled? etc
Could be days of cheap and senseless programming.
Daft thing is, I think Philip (along with Anne) are assets to the family "firm", and I have great sympathy for the queen. All this coverage has just annoyed me.
100% the media will pick over every aspect of the funeral like a flock of vultures, i'm no royalist but ffs give a grieving family a break and have a bit of self respect
I've got plenty of self-respect, thanks. However, "giving a grieving family a break" is not the point. Do you think that they're reading this?
You may also wish to consider that the more you contribute to this thread, the longer it'll run for!:ner:;)
Marco.
Jac Hawk
13-04-2021, 09:58
I've got plenty of self-respect, thanks. However, "giving a grieving family a break" is not the point. Do you think that they're reading this?
You may also wish to consider that the more you contribute to this thread, the longer it'll run for!:ner:;)
Marco.
I was talking about the media in general dude and not this thread, just because i like like to have a dig at you once in a while doesn't mean i do it all the time:D:D
Lol, that's fine, but it would help if you made yourself clearer in future, in terms of who or what the 'target of your criticism' is.
Marco.
Jac Hawk
13-04-2021, 10:05
100% the media will pick over every aspect of the funeral like a flock of vultures, i'm no royalist but ffs give a grieving family a break and have a bit of self respect
Was that not clear:scratch::scratch::D
Jac Hawk
13-04-2021, 10:10
Wonder if we will get a bank holiday out of it :scratch::scratch: probably not:lol::lol:
mad-moon
13-04-2021, 10:27
The end bit.
Yeah...he's talking about the media 100%...and asking them to give a grieving family a break and have some self respect....looks plain enough to me...
mad-moon
13-04-2021, 10:30
I've got plenty of self-respect, thanks. However, "giving a grieving family a break" is not the point. Do you think that they're reading this?
You may also wish to consider that the more you contribute to this thread, the longer it'll run for!...
Marco.
You started it...:lol:
Jac Hawk
13-04-2021, 10:34
You started it...:lol:
Go on Alan give him some stick:D:lol::lol:
Yeah...he's talking about the media 100%...and asking them to give a grieving family a break and have some self respect....looks plain enough to me...
Yes, but you also have to consider the discussion that was taking place at the time and the fact that Mike was having a 'wee moan' (lol) about how long this thread was going on for, so that's what was in my head, not the first bit highlighted:)
Marco.
You started it...:lol:
No the BIASED BBC (and their ridiculous blanket coverage of this event) did!:ner:;)
Marco.
mad-moon
13-04-2021, 10:42
Yes, but you also have to consider the discussion that was taking place and the fact that Mike was having a 'wee moan' (lol) about how long this thread was going on for, so that's what was in my head, not the first bit highlighted:)
Marco.
No I don't..he was talking about the media...100% and you jumped on it saying you have plenty self respect...;), and there was no mention of you at all...:ner:
Jac Hawk
13-04-2021, 10:45
I was taking the piss dude, I completely agree with you that the overwhelming amount of TV coverage this is getting is ludicrous, we aren't all royalists and although it must be a sad time for his family, i don't personally give a fook and aren't interested in hearing about every second of his life.
Yeah...he's talking about the media 100%...and asking them to give a grieving family a break and have some self respect....looks plain enough to me...
Depends how you read it.
100% the media will pick over every aspect of the funeral like a flock of vultures, i'm no royalist but ffs give a grieving family a break and have a bit of self respect
The comment about not being a royalist moves the focus away from the media swarm of the funeral....
Anyway, it is sorted now, so let’s move on....?
mad-moon
13-04-2021, 10:49
I was taking the piss dude, I completely agree with you that the overwhelming amount of TV coverage this is getting is ludicrous, we aren't all royalists and although it must be a sad time for his family, i don't personally give a fook and aren't interested in hearing about every second of his life.
Yeah...this is the main gripe of this thread...the cover was well over the top...but it's died right off now and things are getting back to normal...thank fuck...But someone did point out that, if all channels hadn't covered it...their names would have been shit...you can't win...you just have to bite the bullet..
No I don't..he was talking about the media...100% and you jumped on it saying you have plenty self respect...;), and there was no mention of you at all...:ner:
I stand by what I said. Mike was addressing me not only at the time, but before, and the subject was about him 'moaning' (although I know he was just taking the piss) about how long this thread was going on for, so THAT was predominantly what was on my mind, and why I presumed the self respect comment was aimed at me.
As Kevin's pointed out; it's simply how you interpret what was written, so in this instance there is no right or wrong.
One little tip I'd put forward though, when you're writing something, is always put (or stress) the bit you'd like readers to notice most at the end of a sentence, as that's often that's what they'll remember most (as it was the last thing they read), and therefore will likely respond to;)
Marco.
Jac Hawk
13-04-2021, 10:58
Thank god for Netfix, Amazon Prime and Disney + is what i say:D
Depends how you read it.
The comment about not being a royalist moves the focus away from the media swarm of the funeral....
Anyway, it is sorted now, so let’s move on....?
Indeed on both counts!:D
Marco.
Yeah...this is the main gripe of this thread...the cover was well over the top...but it's died right off now and things are getting back to normal...thank fuck...But someone did point out that, if all channels hadn't covered it...their names would have been shit...you can't win...you just have to bite the bullet..
As much as I sympathise with that view and understand it, I don't agree with it.
*Good journalism* should be about reporting the news in a way that YOU (as a journalist or member of the media) think is accurate, justified and measured, and therefore the subsequent coverage delivered is proportional to that, rather than pandering to the 'wants' of the Daily Mail or brainless PC brigade.
Are they who secretly run the country?? I doubt it, so don't appease them; fuck them!
*Good journalism* should be about 'I'll say what I like (as long as it's legal), if I feel it's justified, and above all TRUE, and fuck what the detractors think', which is exactly what I do on here!:D;) Be a FREE-THINKER, not a sheep!! BE YOUR OWN MAN, not someone's paid puppet, and STAND UP for what you believe in.
Of course I understand that's not how the media works, but it should be in a genuinely free country, and the fact that it doesn't, is why I've rarely ever bought newspapers or consider as 'gospel' how the mainstream media reports the news, as in reality it simply represents what the system wants:doh:
Well perhaps it's time to change the system?
Marco.
Jac Hawk
13-04-2021, 13:12
As much as I sympathise with that view and understand it, I don't agree with it.
*Good journalism* should be about reporting the news in a way that YOU (as a journalist or member of the media) think is accurate, justified and measured, and therefore the subsequent coverage delivered is proportional to that, rather than pandering to the 'wants' of the Daily Mail or brainless PC brigade.
Are they who secretly run the country?? I doubt it, so don't appease them; fuck them!
*Good journalism* should be about 'I'll say what I like (as long as it's legal), if I feel it's justified, and above all TRUE, and fuck what the detractors think', which is exactly what I do on here!:D;) Be a FREE-THINKER, not a sheep!! BE YOUR OWN MAN, not someone's paid puppet, and STAND UP for what you believe in.
Of course I understand that's not how the media works, but it should be in a genuinely free country, and the fact that it doesn't, is why I've rarely ever bought newspapers or consider as 'gospel' how the mainstream media reports the news, as in reality it simply represents what the system wants:doh:
Well perhaps it's time to change the system?
Marco.
What was it he said in the film Braveheart, can't remember, but i think this should be your avatar from now on:
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7094526.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Mel-Gibson-in-a-scene-from-the-film-Braveheart-1995.jpg
mad-moon
13-04-2021, 14:04
What was it he said in the film Braveheart, can't remember, but i think this should be your avatar from now on:
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7094526.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Mel-Gibson-in-a-scene-from-the-film-Braveheart-1995.jpg
There's just one small problem, with what he proclaimed. He was hung, drawn and quartered. His head was stuck on a spike, on London Bridge. The rest of his remains, were sent to four different parts of his country and even today, I don't think Scotland is truly independent
What was it he said in the film Braveheart, can't remember, but i think this should be your avatar from now on:
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7094526.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Mel-Gibson-in-a-scene-from-the-film-Braveheart-1995.jpg
Lol... Well, I've always said I'd lead the people's revolution and fight against the system, if it ever becomes necessary. Never mind 'Braveheart'; I will be 'John Connor';)
Enemy of the state or freedom fighter - take your pick!:D
One of the biggest threats to the freedom of man, is being too keen to become a clone, too worried about what others think, and too scared to speak the truth.
Marco [will NEVER be guilty of any of the above].
There's just one small problem, with what he proclaimed. He was hung, drawn and quartered. His head was stuck on a spike, on London Bridge. The rest of his remains, were sent to four different parts of his country and even today, I don't think Scotland is truly independent
Yes, because he was seen as a dangerous threat to the status quo by the 'powers that be', which I guess proves that he was onto something;)
However, it doesn't mean that someone else from a different era, with similar values and a hatred for oppression, won't be more successful... In any case, I believe that one day, sooner rather than later, Scotland will be rightfully independent, thus end centuries of unjust English [read now as Westminster] rule.
Marco.
However, it doesn't mean that someone else from a different era, with similar values and a hatred for oppression, won't be more successful... In any case, I believe that one day, sooner rather than later, Scotland will be rightfully independent, thus end centuries of unjust English [read now as Westminster] rule.
Marco.
Isn't that a line from the film? :D
Never been too sure about this poor, downtrodden, but proud Scottish nation being forced in to an unholy union.
Didn't political union between Scotland and England come about because England didn't want Scotland joining up with France, and Scotland needing money from England to pay off it's debts incurred as a result of Scotlands failed colonial ambitions? :scratch:
not fussed about it myself.. once upon a time, yes, but now, its not a good moment. just my personal thoughts.
i can hear snp feet running towards my door as i type lol
And the Scottish king became king of England too when that happened, not the other way around.
And the Scottish king became king of England too when that happened, not the other way around.
james the first of england and ireland..6th of scotland
The ins and outs of the relevant history isn't really my point. All I want to see in future is Scotland being 100% in control of its own destiny, rather than essentially being governed from London, and also to KEEP 100% of the revenue it generates, and so give hee-haw to undeserving Englanders!:ner:;)
Marco.
The ins and outs of the relevant history isn't really my point. All I want to see in future is Scotland being 100% in control of its own destiny, rather than essentially being governed from London, and also to KEEP 100% of the revenue it generates, and so give hee-haw to undeserving Englanders!:ner:;)
Marco.
aye but you dont live here :ner: i will move to wales in exile.. snp cant even sort me a vaccine ffs
aye but you dont live here :ner: i will move to wales in exile.. snp cant even sort me a vaccine ffs
Lol - and you'll be made very welcome. UK-wise, it's a great place to live (certainly the north, well away from the overpopulated cities in the south), and being a 'happy medium', in terms of in the middle of the north/south divide.
Decent climate, not to cold or warm, not too much rain (certainly in Wrexham), and not overly commercialised or crowded, such are many parts of England, and the people are warm and friendly:)
Marco.
The ins and outs of the relevant history isn't really my point. All I want to see in future is Scotland being 100% in control of its own destiny, rather than essentially being governed from London, and also to KEEP 100% of the revenue it generates, and so give hee-haw to undeserving Englanders!:ner:;)
Marco.
You'll have 100% control for a good few days in between signing off from the control of England and signing up to be controlled by the EU. But I suppose it might be worth it. :D
You'll have 100% control for a good few days in between signing off from the control of England and signing up to be controlled by the EU. But I suppose it might be worth it. :D
the eu wont take scotland back; well not quickly and not without selling more of our soul than any england will take. the eu have shown themslves to be what they are. not very nice women;)
we have done brexit(even if scotland didnt vote for it) so should make it work imo.
Lol - and you'll be made very welcome. UK-wise, it's a great place to live (certainly the north, well away from the overpopulated cities in the south), and being a 'happy medium', in terms of in the middle of the north/south divide.
Decent climate, not to cold or warm, not too much rain (certainly in Wrexham), and not overly commercialised or crowded, such are many parts of England, and the people are warm and friendly:)
Marco.
im sold:ner:
the eu wont take scotland back; well not quickly and not without selling more of our soul than any england will take. the eu have shown themslves to be what they are. not very nice women;)
we have done brexit(even if scotland didnt vote for it) so should make it work imo.
sensible thoughts
You'll have 100% control for a good few days in between signing off from the control of England and signing up to be controlled by the EU. But I suppose it might be worth it. :D
Lol - that would suit me fine, as I voted to stay in the EU (always considered myself as European, not British - for good reason), so as long as any control wasn't being imposed by Westmonster (typo deliberate), and especially bigoted anti-Scottish BJ-boy, I'd be cool with it:cool:
Marco.
im sold:ner:
Ha - COME ON DOWN, then!:hotrod: :sheep:
The above being one of only three flags I care about. You'll know what the other two are!;)
Marco.
yeah well i will be allowed out of county on friday i think, but not out of country.. still not got my jab either. mymsp said she was going to do something but its looking like that something is forget about it;)
And Plaid Cymru are talking about pushing for a referendum on Welsh independance.
Not sure that would work, but bring it on!:)
It would just be nice for the nations that make up the UK (outside of England) to be able to make their own decisions and manage their finances, based on what's BEST FOR THEM, not Westmonster - and also for them to be recognised in their own right by people abroad, instead of having Americans, for example, being unable to differentiate between England and Britain, thinking that they are one and the same, because the former (and fooking London) is all they ever hear about!:doh:
Basically, I'm pro whatever allows the nations making up the UK, outside of England, being able to retain their individual identity, govern themselves and not be treated as second-class citizens (compared with England) or indeed ultimately 'answerable' to Westmonster.
Marco.
Why "outside of England" ? - I'm all for the Kingdom of East Anglia, rest of the country will realise how important we are once they don't have access to the port of Felixstowe :ner:
Lol... Because England is big enough to look after itself (has been the main beneficiary of 'the union' for years) - and you've got that there London!:D
...which you're welcome to, along with Westmonster;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
13-04-2021, 19:29
Lol - and you'll be made very welcome. UK-wise, it's a great place to live (certainly the north, well away from the overpopulated cities in the south), and being a 'happy medium', in terms of in the middle of the north/south divide.
Decent climate, not to cold or warm, not too much rain (certainly in Wrexham), and not overly commercialised or crowded, such are many parts of England, and the people are warm and friendly:)
Marco.
Well they must be, they took you in :)
Aye, they're not fussy - just let in any old vagrants!:D
Marco.
Lol... Because England is big enough to look after itself (has been the main beneficiary of 'the union' for years) - and you've got that there London!:D
...which you're welcome to, along with Westmonster;)
Marco.
London isn't part of the historical Kingdom of East Anglia
Pigmy Pony
13-04-2021, 20:05
Who is the king of East Anglia these days? It used to be Nicolas Parsons didn't it
London isn't part of the historical Kingdom of East Anglia
Ah yes, sorry. I need to research 'Sale of the Century' more!:D
Marco.
Filterlab
13-04-2021, 20:26
Who is the king of East Anglia these days?
Stephen Fry.
I always assumed it was that silver bloke on a horse but you don't see him no more. Nicholas Parsons was the 2 i/c I think.
https://i.ibb.co/WpFsmxb/anglia.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
Lol - and you'll be made very welcome. UK-wise, it's a great place to live (certainly the north, well away from the overpopulated cities in the south), and being a 'happy medium', in terms of in the middle of the north/south divide.
Decent climate, not to cold or warm, not too much rain (certainly in Wrexham), and not overly commercialised or crowded, such are many parts of England, and the people are warm and friendly:)
Marco.
https://fb.watch/4Sg8jASuiG/
https://youtu.be/4O79Glps-DY
Government spending per person in various regions (source: ONS):
https://i.ibb.co/4TJv4dj/spending.png (https://ibb.co/xj39zHM)
As we can see London get the most, then Scotland, then the South East, then Wales. The idea that either Scotland or Wales gets a raw deal is clearly incorrect. It's the East Midlands that's getting screwed.
That’s fair enough, us Scots pay more per person in ( as a percentage of salary )
I couldn’t believe the tax thresholds in Scotland last time I checked [emoji45]
But why the feck is the Midlands so low?
https://fb.watch/4Sg8jASuiG/
https://youtu.be/4O79Glps-DY
:lolsign:
Beings back memories!
Marco.
Beobloke
14-04-2021, 07:57
instead of having Americans, for example, being unable to differentiate between England and Britain, thinking that they are one and the same..
Bad example.
When most Americans encounter an English person, they usually ask if they’re Australian!
:)
:D:eyebrows:
And I believe some also think that London is England:doh:
Marco.
Why do you think in American movies they subtitle it with Moscow, Russia or London England at the bottom of the screen to show where the scene is.
Over here we just say Moscow cos we know where it is lol.
Plots in American movies are written in such a way as to try and explain the scene because they know the average American viewer is too stupid to work it out for themselves.
Just need to compare an American crime drama to a European one [emoji6]
Mind you, we do have Emmerdale [emoji23]
rmcin626
14-04-2021, 08:07
:D:eyebrows:
And I believe some also think that London is England:doh:
Marco.
You have to remember that most Americans have never left their own State , unless they have been in the Forces and don’t own a passport.
Yes I know, Robin, but that's still really no excuse for such ignorance. Many of us are familiar with the geography of America, or other countries around the world, without having been there. It's called having some basic general knowledge.
In any case, that wasn't my point. One of the other reasons why some Americans have an ignorance of UK geography is because largely all they ever hear about is England or London, as if nowhere else in the UK exists or matters!:doh:;)
Marco.
Over here we just say Moscow cos we know where it is lol.
Aye! It's here, innit:
https://www.google.com/search?q=moscow+ayrshire&rlz=1C1RFPM_enGB708GB709&oq=moscow+ayr&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4j0i22i30l4.5223j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
its a very insular country. they are in general only interested in good ol' usa.
Jac Hawk
14-04-2021, 09:44
I guess it's also because they've nicked a lot of our and other countries city names, places like Paris Texas, Durham North Carolina are two that spring to mind.
Regarding Scottish independence the main reason why they haven't been cut loose so to speak is the North Sea oil and gas fields, they've also allegedly found oil off the north west coast as well and even though burning oils is somewhat out of fashion it still generates a massive amount for the government. I was against Scottish independence pre Brexit, but since we have kicked the EU to the kerb it feels a bit hypocritical not allowing the jocks another referendum.
I guess it's also because they've nicked a lot of our and other countries city names, places like Paris Texas, Durham North Carolina are two that spring to mind.
Regarding Scottish independence the main reason why they haven't been cut loose so to speak is the North Sea oil and gas fields, they've also allegedly found oil off the north west coast as well and even though burning oils is somewhat out of fashion it still generates a massive amount for the government. I was against Scottish independence pre Brexit, but since we have kicked the EU to the kerb it feels a bit hypocritical not allowing the jocks another referendum.
they have 34 springfields too.. first one was named after a town in essex.... there are 46 states that have riversides' in usa.(some have several)
Regarding Scottish independence the main reason why they haven't been cut loose so to speak is the North Sea oil and gas fields, they've also allegedly found oil off the north west coast as well and even though burning oils is somewhat out of fashion it still generates a massive amount for the government.
Indeed!
And the Scots [not 'Jocks', please], quite rightly WANT that government to be Scottish, not a fooking English-controlled one, based in Westminster, and said "massive amount" remaining within Scottish shores, not huge chunks of it being squirrelled down to England!
And where the decisions being made by said government are biased towards Scotland, and its best interests, instead of being ruled by an English government ultimately biased towards England and its best interests. Fair's fair, eh?:)
:exactly:
Plus, when independence is gained, you can also have Faslane relocated somewhere in Englandshire, and the HUGE associated costs of running the base, not to mention the threat of it being an enemy target in the event of a war, which Scotland almost certainly won't have started.
Marco.
mad-moon
14-04-2021, 11:47
Quite frankly, I'm sick of England getting a bad rap...Who paid to have all the hospitals built in Scotland? Who paid for have all the motorways to be built in Scotland?..Scotland isn't a very big country, and the Scottish people couldn't manage on their own. In fact, The Scottish people, are not managing on their own..They, them selves would be up in arms and revolt, should the powers that be, insist Scotland is to be totally independent from England..What do you think would happen to Scotland, if they did become independent and all English businesses and investors pulled out of Scotland?? Faslane employs quite a big civilian work force, which I believe is about to double next year to approx 8000. Just a few things to bare in mind, should Scotland be totally independent from England.
Jac Hawk
14-04-2021, 11:52
What makes me laugh are English folks who voted for Brexit because they wanted to govern themselves yada yada........ then the very same people are dead against giving Scotland another referendum, most of the Brexit voting MP's don't want to offer Scotland another referendum how hypocritical is that, boils my piss is what it does:steam::steam::steam:
Quite frankly, I'm sick of England getting a bad rap..
Who's giving England a bad rap? Certainly not me.
All others and I would like to see is more parity, and Scotland getting the opportunity to 100% retain the revenue it generates, such as Mike has outlined, and be in control of its destiny, rather than shackled to an English government, naturally biased towards English interests.
What's not right or unfair about that?:)
The problem with *some* English people is that if you're not outwardly pro-England, you're automatically seen as anti it...;)
And that's not only very narrowminded thinking, but the basis for creating resentment.
Marco.
What makes me laugh are English folks who voted for Brexit because they wanted to govern themselves yada yada........ then the very same people are dead against giving Scotland another referendum, most of the Brexit voting MP's don't want to offer Scotland another referendum how hypocritical is that, boils my piss is what it does:steam::steam::steam:
Indeed, Mike, and mine. It's hypocritical in the extreme, but of course they will want to look after their best interests, which is exactly what I would like Scotland to be able to do, without any interference from 'darn darf'!:)
Marco.
im not anti english.. not pro scottish either.. i was always, when younger british before scottish... most of it is banter tbh.. i might add scotland is taxed much higher than england hence some of the extra spending
mad-moon
14-04-2021, 12:07
Marco...
rather than shackled to an English government, naturally biased towards English interests.
Do you mean Shackled to a UK Government? because there is no such thing as an English one...;)
Jac Hawk
14-04-2021, 12:08
Ok so there are about 8 million people living in Scotland which is roughly about the same that live in London, North Sea oil and gas have brought much more revenue into the UK per head of population than any other single thing, us griping about motorways and hospitals is all well and good, even complaining that Scotts get further and higher education paid for but the revenue generated from the Scottish oil and gas fields far exceeds what they get back, in comparison Wales and NI bring in ???? I'm for keeping the UK coz i think we are better together, but i can understand why many Scotts want another vote.
im not anti english.. not pro scottish either.. i was always, when younger british before scottish... most of it is banter tbh.. i might add scotland is taxed much higher than england hence some of the extra spending
Indeed, and I'm not anti-English either. Far from it. The vast majority of my friends are English, some of whom I've known for over 20 years!:D
However, I *am* pro-Scottish, simply because that's where I was born and spent a huge chunk of my life, so I have a natural affinity for the country and its people, and also because while I lived there I experienced the many downsides of being ruled by an English (Westminster based) government!;)
The memories of that are one of the reasons why I'm so staunchly pro-Scottish independence!
We've also been here before with the British thing, and you know where I stand on that, and ultimately I'm Italian, even though I have dual nationality. It where all my roots are and also represents my whole culture:)
Therefore, quite naturally, I'm not down with any 'Rule Britannia' flag-waving crap, or pro-England rhetoric, and make no apologies for that!
Marco.
Marco...
rather than shackled to an English government, naturally biased towards English interests.
Do you mean Shackled to a UK Government? because there is no such thing as an English one...;)
Well, in reality the control comes from Westmonster, so have a look on the map and see where that is!:ner:;)
Marco.
mad-moon
14-04-2021, 12:16
im not anti english.. not pro scottish either.. i was always, when younger british before scottish... most of it is banter tbh.. i might add scotland is taxed much higher than england hence some of the extra spending
I'm not Anti Scottish..or pro English..as *some* people would have you believe. I love Scotland and I love the Scottish people.....but I also love England..It would be an extremely bad idea for Scotland to become independent from the UK.
mad-moon
14-04-2021, 12:18
Well, in reality the control comes from Westmonster, so have a look on the map and see where that is!:ner:;)
Marco.
Yes, I've looked..it's in the UNITED KINGDOM.
I've just looked in the emojies for a union Jack....I see there is a WELSH flag there but no UNION JACK...or St Andrews flag either...:ner:
Ok so there are about 8 million people living in Scotland which is roughly about the same that live in London, North Sea oil and gas have brought much more revenue into the UK per head of population than any other single thing, us griping about motorways and hospitals is all well and good, even complaining that Scotts get further and higher education paid for but the revenue generated from the Scottish oil and gas fields far exceeds what they get back, in comparison Wales and NI bring in ???? I'm for keeping the UK coz i think we are better together, but i can understand why many Scotts want another vote.
We're on the same page on this one:)
Marco.
Yes, I've looked..it's in the UNITED KINGDOM.
I've just looked in the emojies for a union Jack....I see there is a WELSH flag there but no UNION JACK...or St Andrews flag either...:ner:
Yes, but the most significant bit, in terms of my argument, is it's in London, ENGLAND!:ner:;)
In any case, that's all BJ-boy, the supposed 'UK prime minister', cares about!
Marco.
Oh, and in terms of flags. you may wish to note that the Welsh one is rather ironically labelled as 'sheep', not 'Wales'!:D
However, we should add a Saltire, England flag and Union Jack to a list of flags. I'll look into that:)
Marco.
mad-moon
14-04-2021, 12:37
Ok so there are about 8 million people living in Scotland which is roughly about the same that live in London, North Sea oil and gas have brought much more revenue into the UK per head of population than any other single thing, us griping about motorways and hospitals is all well and good, even complaining that Scotts get further and higher education paid for but the revenue generated from the Scottish oil and gas fields far exceeds what they get back, in comparison Wales and NI bring in ???? I'm for keeping the UK coz i think we are better together, but i can understand why many Scotts want another vote.
go back a little while, When the whole of the UK was run on coal..where did all the coal come from...which benefitted the whole of the UK...including Scotland
(Britain’s rules on ownership of natural resources were clear well before oil was discovered; the UK Continental Shelf Act was passed in 1964. Before the discovery of oil in 1969, the Scots opted heavily against independence: in the 1966 general election the Scottish National party failed to win a single seat. The subsequent rise of Scottish nationalism, supported by the slogan “It’s Scotland’s oil”, is evidently in part an attempt at a retrospective resource grab.)in brackets.. knicked off the www.
What about the Cornish flag as well? ;)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cornwall/uncovered/stories/st_piran_background.shtml
Jac Hawk
14-04-2021, 12:46
Yes, but the most significant bit, in terms of my argument, is it's in London, ENGLAND!:ner:;)
In any case, that's all BJ-boy, the supposed 'UK prime minister', cares about!
Marco.
To be honest mate the UK government seem to have the same distain for the North East of England, our Government have always been focused on London 1st
mad-moon
14-04-2021, 12:50
To be honest mate the UK government seem to have the same distain for the North East of England, our Government have always been focused on London 1st
I'll go along with that..I'm sure they don't think there is anything North of Manchester..
walpurgis
14-04-2021, 12:52
What about the Cornish flag as well? ;)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cornwall/uncovered/stories/st_piran_background.shtml
You see that a lot down there, I'm sure they would be happy to entertain independance.
Jac Hawk
14-04-2021, 13:00
You see that a lot down there, I'm sure they would be happy to entertain independance.
Does it have a VW camper van or a surfboard on it:D:D:eyebrows:
Jac Hawk
14-04-2021, 13:01
I'll go along with that..I'm sure they don't think there is anything North of Manchester..
The Watford Gap is probably closer to the truth.
walpurgis
14-04-2021, 13:07
Does it have a VW camper van or a surfboard on it:D:D:eyebrows:
No, but I think this may have been part of it.
https://i.ibb.co/F44g8Bw/Screen-Shot-04-14-21-at-02-05-PM.png (https://imgbb.com/)
mad-moon
14-04-2021, 13:25
No, but I think this may have been part of it.
https://i.ibb.co/F44g8Bw/Screen-Shot-04-14-21-at-02-05-PM.png (https://imgbb.com/)
Oh..the VW's exhaust pipe...:lol:
To be honest mate the UK government seem to have the same distain for the North East of England, our Government have always been focused on London 1st
And THAT. muchacho, is my BIG problem with it, and why I'd love the rest of us to go independent and give that lot a huge FUCK YOU!!:upyours::finger:
Distain works both ways;)
Marco.
mad-moon
14-04-2021, 14:01
And THAT. muchacho, is my BIG problem with it, and why I'd love the rest of us to go independent and give that lot a huge FUCK YOU!!:upyours::finger:
Distain works both ways;)
Marco.
Why the fuck everyone, cannot just put their heads together for the good of everyone, makes me extremely sad..the fucking human being..we are fucking hopeless..:scratch:
Jac Hawk
14-04-2021, 14:55
Why the fuck everyone, cannot just put their heads together for the good of everyone, makes me extremely sad..the fucking human being..we are fucking hopeless..:scratch:
Sad but true
Why the fuck everyone, cannot just put their heads together for the good of everyone, makes me extremely sad..the fucking human being..we are fucking hopeless..:scratch:
Just those who think how Mike has outlined, and which (sadly) is undeniably true. Quite simply, if someone shows disdain towards me, I'll gladly return the compliment tenfold!
It's an Italian thing... Think Mafia films;)
Marco.
P.S The same applies the other way... Show me kindness and respect, and not only will your get it back tenfold, but you'll never have a better friend! *However*, if you fuck with me, I can make a terrible enemy, as I'm a vengeful bassa...
Pigmy Pony
14-04-2021, 15:32
Does it have a VW camper van or a surfboard on it:D:D:eyebrows:
No but it does feature a seagull nicking a pasty.
Jac Hawk
14-04-2021, 15:37
No but it does feature a seagull nicking a pasty.
Gotcha, think i've been there:lol::lol:
just a pity far too many folk have little regard for their fellow man/woman...some even animals too. over the last few hundred years, we havent moved forward on a personal level; in fact in many ways we have regressed.
no respect for anyone or thing, including themselves often.. fortunately not everyone is like this.:)
Pigmy Pony
14-04-2021, 15:51
Just those who think how Mike has outlined, and which (sadly) is undeniably true. Quite simply, if someone shows disdain towards me, I'll gladly return the tena pants!
It's a Scottish thing... Think Gregory's Girl;)
Marco.
If Scotland did gain independence, would you be tempted to move back there? It would get you out from under the UK Government :)
Pigmy Pony
14-04-2021, 15:55
just a pity far too many folk have little regard for their fellow man/woman...some even animals too. over the last few hundred years, we havent moved forward on a personal level; in fact in many ways we have regressed.
no respect for anyone or thing, including themselves often.. fortunately not everyone is like this.:)
AoS is an oasis of calm, it's just the rest of the country. Right bunch of bastards they are :(
If Scotland did gain independence, would you be tempted to move back there? It would get you out from under the UK Government :)
think i would be tempted to move out. lol. tbh i was born british so i want that kept even if countries split
If Scotland did gain independence, would you be tempted to move back there? It would get you out from under the UK Government :)
Love your edit!:lol:
In answer to your question, possibly, but not necessarily because of the independence thing, but rather because Del and I both love Scotland.
She's always wanted to live in a castle, and be a real princess, lol, so we'll see what the future holds, but if we were to move back it would be to the highlands, and in that type of property or country house (cashing in on our property portfolio) - well away from the rat race!:cool:
Granty, you could have the downstairs wing, near the wine cellar, and look after my whisky collection;)
Marco.
Was wondering how hard it would be to find a castle for sale in the Scottish Highlands but turns out there's loads of them. Need at least a million squid for a proper one though:
https://castleist.com/castles-for-sale-in-scotland
Yeah there are a few around...:)
A mil or so would defo be doable, as our current property portfolio [places we own and currently rent out to tenants], not including the house we live in, is worth rather more.
Marco.
Got to consider the running costs too. They will be massive. Not just heating the place but the constant maintenance and the repairs.
You end up having to let the public in and do weddings and that.
walpurgis
14-04-2021, 16:58
Was wondering how hard it would be to find a castle for sale in the Scottish Highlands but turns out there's loads of them. Need at least a million squid for a proper one though
That would be the last thing I'd want. They're monstrous liabilities.
Got to consider the running costs too. They will be massive. Not just heating the place but the constant maintenance and the repairs.
You end up having to let the public in and do weddings and that.
Yeah, sure, that would defo have to be factored into the equation. We know a few people who'd be able to help in that area, and which would reduce the cost:)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
14-04-2021, 17:01
No shortage of people with a few million down the back of their sofa, so there will be a good reason why all these castles haven't been snapped up... Mrs. P would love for just me and her to live in the arse end of nowhere, but if we could afford it I would plump for somewhere warm, and with some shops :)
That would be the last thing I'd want. They're monstrous liabilities.
Not if carefully chosen and with the knowledge and experience of being able to attend to all that was necessary. We do dabble in the property market and have been doing so for years. In any case, if not a castle, then it would be some other form of country house:)
Marco.
That would be the last thing I'd want. They're monstrous liabilities.
They are but if I had pots of cash, like tens of millions, I'd quite fancy one. The more original the condition the better,
I'd just do up a few rooms to modern standards to live in and leave the rest in period condition.
I like big old houses with secret passages and tunnels and so forth. Probably from reading too much Enid Blyton as a youngster.
Pigmy Pony
14-04-2021, 17:08
They are but if I had pots of cash, like tens of millions, I'd quite fancy one. The more original the condition the better,
I'd just do up a few rooms to modern standards to live in and leave the rest in period condition.
I like big old houses with secret passages and tunnels and so forth. Probably from reading too much Enid Blyton as a youngster.
Yeah Kirrin Island had some appeal, but I bet the castle was a shithole.
No shortage of people with a few million down the back of their sofa, so there will be a good reason why all these castles haven't been snapped up... Mrs. P would love for just me and her to live in the arse end of nowhere, but if we could afford it I would plump for somewhere warm, and with some shops :)
That's what the butler is for - order it and off he pops;)
Warm climates are fine, but not really our thing. Del loves snow (and generally the autumn/winter months), as do I, and you get plenty of the white stuff in the highlands!
Marco.
Yeah Kirrin Island had some appeal, but I bet the castle was a shithole.
And plagued with swarthy foreign smugglers too.
And plagued with swarthy foreign smugglers too.
i used to read those famous five blyton books when i was young too.. it was based on a castle in dorset.
Pigmy Pony
14-04-2021, 17:29
And plagued with swarthy foreign smugglers too.
Mostly at Smugglers Top, but i suppose they get everywhere, much like Timmy's turds.
We nearly bought this place (17th century Jacobean Hall) a few years ago, when we were thinking of selling the lodge and moving to somewhere bigger: https://www.google.com/search?q=wynn+hall+wrexham&rlz=1C1RFPM_enGB708GB709&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=nTme46X8vJ8buM%252CnPOtH92GGID16M%252C%252Fm%2 52F0br2xq&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQuft8PrDKMS9pXzSFhiuCLsWVh0Q&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijg_aRoP7vAhWqgP0HHTtZAigQ_B16BAgfEAE#i mgrc=nTme46X8vJ8buM
However, after carrying out an extensive survey it was found to be riddled with dry rot, plus there were problems with the roof, so it would've just been a huge money pit, and in the end we gave it a miss. It was gorgeous inside, with a HUGE inglenook fireplace, banqueting hall and all sorts, plus set in large grounds.
Del loved the place and had set her heart on it, so was NOT happy it fell through, but it would've been a stupid move, business wise, and that's where I have the last say. I notice now it's a 'holiday cottage':rolleyes:
Marco.
Beobloke
14-04-2021, 17:38
We nearly bought this place (17th century Jacobean Hall) a few years ago, when we were thinking of selling the lodge and moving to somewhere bigger: https://www.google.com/search?q=wynn+hall+wrexham&rlz=1C1RFPM_enGB708GB709&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=nTme46X8vJ8buM%252CnPOtH92GGID16M%252C%252Fm%2 52F0br2xq&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQuft8PrDKMS9pXzSFhiuCLsWVh0Q&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijg_aRoP7vAhWqgP0HHTtZAigQ_B16BAgfEAE#i mgrc=nTme46X8vJ8buM
However, after carrying out an extensive survey it was found to be riddled with dry rot, plus there were problems with the roof, so it would've just been a huge money pit, so in the end we gave it a miss. It was gorgeous inside, with a HUGE inglenook fireplace, banqueting hall and all sorts, plus set in large grounds.
Del loved it and had set her heart on it, so was NOT happy it fell through, but it would've been a stupid move, business wise, and that's where I have the last say.
Marco.
I remember that - it looked fab!
Did it sell! How’s it looking now if so?
Filterlab
14-04-2021, 18:00
:D:eyebrows:
And I believe some also think that London is England:doh:
Marco.
I was heading into London on the train some years ago, and an American woman said to her young daughter "You see all those chimneys? That's because they don't have electricity here".
As I got up I told her that the train she was in is electric, and that the first electric train was built in Britain around 50 years after the US was founded.
Her daughter just grinned at me. :D
I remember that - it looked fab!
Did it sell! How’s it looking now if so?
Don't know, Adam, we haven't been back since.
Marco.
I was heading into London on the train some years ago, and an American woman said to her young daughter "You see all those chimneys? That's because they don't have electricity here".
As I got up I told her that the train she was in is electric, and that the first electric train was built in Britain around 50 years after the US was founded.
Her daughter just grinned at me. :D
Haha - classic!:lol:
Marco.
Jac Hawk
14-04-2021, 22:45
That's what the butler is for - order it and off he pops;)
Warm climates are fine, but not really our thing. Del loves snow (and generally the autumn/winter months), as do I, and you get plenty of the white stuff in the highlands!
Marco.
Yes there is, but it's mainly wind and driving rain and the further north you go the less daylight you have in the winter, i grew up on Orkney it's a nice enough place but the winters up there aren't the picture postcard fairy tails you see on TV, regular power cuts, long dark nights that seem to last forever, it's ok for a holiday but moving to a place like that takes some adjustment especially if you move there from England.
Was wondering how hard it would be to find a castle for sale in the Scottish Highlands
I seriously considered moving up to Scotland (got family up there). With what I'd get for my place I'd be able to afford something pretty decent.
Then I recalled a day I'd spent at a dog show up there (my late partner was a championship judge). I had three base layers on and a fleece and a coat over the top and it was still feckin' freezing and it was May!
Anyway the plan is to move in with my current squeeze (aka lumbered with me) in the not too distant future, she's just bought a new place
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mad-moon
15-04-2021, 02:50
Very nice Roy,,,very luxurious... I'd love a kitchen like that...You'll be able to make some top nosh in there Roy...I see you have the pictures in the correct order lol...food, nice hot bath, then bed to sleep it off...lovely jubbly...
I seriously considered moving up to Scotland (got family up there). With what I'd get for my place I'd be able to afford something pretty decent.
Then I recalled a day I'd spent at a dog show up there (my late partner was a championship judge). I had three base layers on and a fleece and a coat over the top and it was still feckin' freezing and it was May!
Anyway the plan is to move in with my current squeeze (aka lumbered with me) in the not too distant future, she's just bought a new place
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51116150519_ed1ae8faa8_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51116398361_6c42545a56_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51116398366_eaa7073e71_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51116398371_1bac0d5b89_o.jpgVery nice and modern Roy. Lots of room
Light Dependant Resistor
15-04-2021, 05:59
Why the fuck everyone, cannot just put their heads together for the good of everyone, makes me extremely sad..the fucking human being..we are fucking hopeless..:scratch:
Methods stretching way way into the future with capability, ( heads together for the good of everyone ) are here now that just require proper understanding of what they set out to achieve .
The stand out from the crowd, thinking like this, is the philosophy of free software. The faster its followed, the faster we escape the f****** hopeless that you refer to.
Governments gravitate to what is easy, rather than what will help humanity. they apply band aid solutions when found out by brave individuals , to what was morally wrong in the first place. Just look at these news stories as example https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-13/microsoft-buying-speech-recognition-firm-nuance/100064590 , what then follows, and we can now all look forward to is more mass surveillance of humans, as governments busily buy into that capability
leading to crap like this: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-15/australian-based-uyghurs-on-chinese-blacklist/100063916
Things instantly begin to improve when we all turn off proprietary operating systems forever, and fight back like i did in 2003 and never looked back.
Plenty of choices here https://distrowatch.com/
and full text of the philosophy here: https://www.fsf.org/
and a youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJi2rkHiNqg
Debians statement here: https://www.debian.org/intro/philosophy
But free software is so much more, as it is the ability to share information related to improvement of society, for the benefit of everyone.
Real commitment would see not subscribing to any social media , or using a mobile tracking device also called a phone , but some will find that difficult, if so do it in steps, by becoming aware of where
your information goes, and knowing that alternatives are there and you can be part of it.
Yes there is, but it's mainly wind and driving rain and the further north you go the less daylight you have in the winter, i grew up on Orkney it's a nice enough place but the winters up there aren't the picture postcard fairy tails you see on TV, regular power cuts, long dark nights that seem to last forever, it's ok for a holiday but moving to a place like that takes some adjustment especially if you move there from England.
Lovely place to grow up, Mike. We LOVE Orkney. Del and I went there for a holiday a few years ago (drove up from Glasgow where we were living at the time), and stopped at Skye en-route, which is another gorgeous place (we love the islands), and then crossed over to Orkney on the ferry from Thurso. We enjoyed seeing all the brochs (Broch of Gurness, etc), Standing Stones of Stenness, Scapa Flow and the Italian Chapel.
We just love places that are WAY off of the beaten track and evoke 'a land that time forgot', and I'm sure you'd agree Orkney is like that - totally unspoiled and unravaged by the worst aspects of modern life (gross commercialism and consumerism), which in many ways also applies to the Highlands of Scotland. Yes, it's colder up there and more remote than where we are now, but I lived in Scotland for over 30 years (Del 10 years), so we're used to it, and have regularly had winter holidays in places such as Austria and Switzerland, where it's been as cold as -30C!
Cold doesn't bother us - you just wrap up more in proper thermals!:D:cool:
Marco.
walpurgis
15-04-2021, 07:24
It's as far North as Greenland and Alaska! :eek:
I only remember going to Scotland once (I lived in Edinburgh up to age of about 18 months, as my dad was in the army, but that doesn't count).
My main memories of Arran are, beautiful place but impossible to come to terms with the bloody midges.
Edit: My mate ( a Scott, went off hill walking for a day while I went for cycle ride with our wives).
During the walk he had a dump, but was attacked by swarms of midges - he ended up running/staggering/rolling down Goat Fell with his trousers around his ankles.
My, how we laughed while his wife rubbed cream in to his buttocks that evening :D
I seriously considered moving up to Scotland (got family up there). With what I'd get for my place I'd be able to afford something pretty decent.
Then I recalled a day I'd spent at a dog show up there (my late partner was a championship judge). I had three base layers on and a fleece and a coat over the top and it was still feckin' freezing and it was May!
Yesh, that's 'cos you're a southern softie!:ner:D;)
No, I know what you mean. There's a MASSIVE difference between the climate (and warmth) where you are and even mainland Scotland, never mind the highlands! We feel it even when going from North Wales to Glasgow, to visit friends and family, but then simply adjust.
It's comes down to both what you're used to and feel comfortable with, and neither Del nor I have ever been 'sun worshipers' or people who can't function in cold weather. Don't get me wrong, we love sunny weather and warm climates too, but it's not a 'must' for either a holiday or somewhere to live. Different strokes for different folks:)
Nice pad, btw, of your 'current squeeze'. How much of her have you 'squeezed' so far?:eyebrows::bum:
Marco.
It's as far North as Greenland and Alaska! :eek:
And?:D
Marco.
walpurgis
15-04-2021, 07:32
"And" it's too nippy for me! :)
good climate to toil in, up to a point.. you can add layers in cold, but cant take your skin off in heat. its the rain that is biggest issue. its always damp
Another southern softie!:ner::lol:
Del wants me to take her to the Ice Hotel in Sweden, for one of our anniversaries, see here: https://www.icehotel.com/
THAT's how much she LOVES snow, lol!!:eek::D
And also to see the Northern Lights. Indeed a tour of Scandinavia is on the cards (and especially Finland) when things get more back to normal. We don't 'do' lying back on a deckchair on a beach for two weeks, doing feck all, in some nondescript package holiday resort!;)
Del would go bonkers, as she needs to be 'entertained'....
Marco.
rmcin626
15-04-2021, 08:01
I’m with Grant, the cold has never bothered me, its the rain I hate. When I came back home after living in Bournemouth it took me awhile to readjust to the lower temperature. Although anyone thinking of moving up here , should probably have done it pre Covid as house prices have jumped up in recent months.
I love the rain, actually. but not constantly such as you get on the west coast where you are, or in Glasgow, where I used to live, where it would often rain for days on end and in the winter months hardly ever get light.
But here in Wrexham, where it rains on average 2 days a week, I quite enjoy it and the lovely fresh smell it leaves in the air. What I hate most are dull, cloudy days, especially when it's also cold, which I find totally nondescript and depressing. I call them 'nothing' days.
Marco.
Filterlab
15-04-2021, 08:27
My, how we laughed while his wife rubbed cream in to his buttocks that evening :D
Sounds like a typical night out in Norwich. :)
Another southern softie!:ner::lol:
Del wants me to take her to the Ice Hotel in Sweden, for one of our anniversaries, see here: https://www.icehotel.com/
THAT's how much she LOVES snow, lol!!:eek::D
And also to see the Northern Lights. Indeed a tour of Scandinavia is on the cards (and especially Finland) when things get more back to normal. We don't 'do' lying back on a deckchair on a beach for two weeks, doing feck all, in some nondescript package holiday resort!;)
Del would go bonkers, as she needs to be 'entertained'....
Marco.
looks cold. im not really in to holidays as such. dunno why, as i quite liked them when young..
Another southern softie!:ner::lol:
Del wants me to take her to the Ice Hotel in Sweden, for one of our anniversaries, see here: https://www.icehotel.com/
THAT's how much she LOVES snow, lol!!:eek::D
And also to see the Northern Lights. Indeed a tour of Scandinavia is on the cards (and especially Finland) when things get more back to normal. We don't 'do' lying back on a deckchair on a beach for two weeks, doing feck all, in some nondescript package holiday resort!;)
Del would go bonkers, as she needs to be 'entertained'....
Marco.
I visited Iceland a few years ago, specifically to see the Northern Lights. It was around September (you need a dark sky to see them properly) and it was very cold. At times bitterly cold, with snow and ice on the ground.
So there I was looking up at the night sky enjoying the Aurora, with the music of Pink Floyd going through my head, and stamping my feet to keep warm! (I was wearing my walking boots with double socks). I could only put up with it for about a half hour, before I had to retreat to a warm hostelry.
looks cold. im not really in to holidays as such. dunno why, as i quite liked them when young..
Lol - that is a strange one! Probably because you no-one to go with. I'd imagine you enjoyed them when Irene was alive?:)
I love travelling and seeing different places and experiencing new cultures. Got to broaden your horizons and not be insular! It's often also an education:cool:
Marco.
I visited Iceland a few years ago, specifically to see the Northern Lights. It was around September (you need a dark sky to see them properly) and it was very cold. At times bitterly cold, with snow and ice on the ground.
So there I was looking up at the night sky enjoying the Aurora, with the music of Pink Floyd going through my head, and stamping my feet to keep warm! (I was wearing my walking boots with double socks). I could only put up with it for about a half hour, before I had to retreat to a warm hostelry.
Yeah, I like the sound of the vibe with PF:) You've also been to Finland, Barry, haven't you?
Helsinki, among other places there, fascinates me. When we do our Scandinavian tour, the plan is to fly/drive for a month, probably arrive in Sweden (or whichever country was most central) hire a 4WD vehicle of some description, and take in as much of it as we can.
Finland, Iceland and Sweden would be of most interest, so if we missed Norway and Denmark, we could do them again, but we'd like to get out into the sticks and see the REAL part of the countries concerned, not just the cities or touristy bits, hence why a car's necessary - that's where you often find the real gems!:cool:
Marco.
Lol - that is a strange one! Probably because you no-one to go with. I'd imagine you enjoyed them when Irene was alive?:)
I love travelling and seeing different places and experiencing new cultures. Got to broaden your horizons and not be insular! It's often also an education:cool:
Marco.
think they became more work for me than i could handle and it put me off.. also irene liked the sun, and im not great in blazing heat. pushing a wheelchair in those temps isnt a holiday.. in fact pushing one anywhere of interest is hard work, irrellevent of weather.
not had one for years that didnt envolve that sort of thing. Dont even have a passport now.
What about when Irene was well, mate, and you guys were young, you must've had some nice holidays together with the kids?:)
Was it mainly UK based, though?
Marco.
What about when Irene was well, mate, and you guys were young, you must've had some nice holidays together with the kids?:)
Was it mainly UK based, though?
Marco.
irene got ill just after we wed really, and went downhill slowly but surely alas. poor soul.. in fact she was ill when i married her
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