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anthonyTD
08-01-2021, 16:25
A very good talk from arguably one of the most intelligent funny men of our time!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU
The guy who got famous by making movies where he doesn't talk? :ner: It's funny to quote Obama, who said something good but ultimately was and is anti-free speech.
I'm absolutely without question in favor of free speech. But it's at extreme threat and has been under intense attack in the US. Even if you don't get prosecuted you might get canceled.
To me I believe the websites, especially social media, need to be held to a certain level of free speech as per transactionable with participation. (I can explain that) Basically, it's wrong for them to suppress free speech while benefiting themselves; in the way that no physical business can.
Mikeandvan
08-01-2021, 20:59
Once again an older figure has to show the kids why our basic rights are not to be toyed with. Cancel culture, woke culture, and before that PC culture are all a symptom of these shallow times we live in, we now have a ridiculous generation of 'cry bullies' who want to cancel everything they find offensive, without ever realising that one day someone will come for them, its already happening with feminists and terfs (Google Terfs! - its all a bit Peoples front of Judeah!). Mind you it was happening in my day as a youthful activist - Communist - don't laugh! We tried to tell other lefties about the perils of no platforming but they wouldn't listen, then it was proper racsits/fasicists that were being no platformed, now its JK Rowling, its a slippery slope alright!
walpurgis
08-01-2021, 21:05
They'll all turn on each other eventually. Serve 'em right!
Once again an older figure has to show the kids why our basic rights are not to be toyed with. Cancel culture, woke culture, and before that PC culture are all a symptom of these shallow times we live in, we now have a ridiculous generation of 'cry bullies' who want to cancel everything they find offensive, without ever realising that one day someone will come for them, its already happening with feminists and terfs (Google Terfs! - its all a bit Peoples front of Judeah!).
True but if it wasn't for their nonsense pissing off normal people so much we would never have got out of the EU, so every cloud has a silver lining.
True but if it wasn't for their nonsense pissing off normal people so much we would never have got out of the EU, so every cloud has a silver lining.
:thumbsup:
kirstysdad
09-01-2021, 11:07
Has anyone read or heard Jordan Peterson?
anthonyTD
09-01-2021, 11:11
I was more a Black Adder fan to be honest! ;)
The guy who got famous by making movies where he doesn't talk? :ner: It's funny to quote Obama, who said something good but ultimately was and is anti-free speech.
I'm absolutely without question in favor of free speech. But it's at extreme threat and has been under intense attack in the US. Even if you don't get prosecuted you might get canceled.
To me I believe the websites, especially social media, need to be held to a certain level of free speech as per transactionable with participation. (I can explain that) Basically, it's wrong for them to suppress free speech while benefiting themselves; in the way that no physical business can.
Has anyone read or heard Jordan Peterson?
Yes.
Lawrence001
09-01-2021, 13:09
Has anyone read or heard Jordan Peterson?Not read his work but from what I've heard he sounds like an oasis of sense in a desert of madness. That free speech Union is doing some good work too.
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Has anyone read or heard Jordan Peterson?
He has a rare ability to lay out language logically.
Mikeandvan
09-01-2021, 17:05
Has anyone read or heard Jordan Peterson?
No, but I hear he's one they like to cancel!
Mikeandvan
09-01-2021, 17:07
True but if it wasn't for their nonsense pissing off normal people so much we would never have got out of the EU, so every cloud has a silver lining.
Must admit I'm on the fence with Brexit, but like you I'm really glad it winds them up!
Mikeandvan
09-01-2021, 17:07
Not read his work but from what I've heard he sounds like an oasis of sense in a desert of madness. That free speech Union is doing some good work too.
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Indeed, they are making excellent progress, I'm a member, its only £5 per month.
midfielder for liverpoll aint he;)
And wee Boabby Peterson's brother, aye?
Marco
kirstysdad
09-01-2021, 18:03
And wee Boabby Peterson's brother, aye?
Marco
Naw, Shuggie Peterson's bra', the glaikin wan wi' the ginger bunnet.
Mikeandvan
10-01-2021, 12:18
I been banned from Hifi wigwam for about the 5th time, they ban when I expose their arguments to be paper thin, is it a prerequisite to be liberal left for moderators? :lol:
Filterlab
10-01-2021, 17:01
Nope, just ban anyone who disagrees with them (allegedly). :lol:
mad-moon
10-01-2021, 20:06
I've had several threats of a ban on Hifi wigwam...I've been accused of being racist..(they called it inappropriate language) I said Harry married an Ethnic..so now I'm a racist..Oh and I insulted one of the mods by calling him Mr Poindexter..:lol:....I've got 10 warning points, which can never be removed...:rolleyes:...I only visit Wam now to read the classifieds and just leave the children to play amongst themselves....
No more comments now about Wigwam thanks lads. We don't want to have to go to the mattresses.
And before someone points it out, yes, I'm aware of the irony :D
Filterlab
11-01-2021, 15:14
:D
mad-moon
11-01-2021, 16:29
hmmm...that's the end of that thread...might as well put it to bed....
Well at least it demonstrates that the apparently simple concept of 'The right to free speech' becomes a lot more complex as soon as it encounters practical reality.
Filterlab
11-01-2021, 17:14
Well, whatever one says these days someone will take offence and contradict it with their ‘knowledge’.
“If I said black was white, you’d say it was grey” as a very capable songwriter once said.
free speech requires a level of decency and common sense. an ability to speak with mind and not arse etc.
ive seen fee speech given total head and it always ends up badly.
And before someone points it out, yes, I'm aware of the irony :D
Well it's lost on me.:scratch:
mad-moon
12-01-2021, 01:31
Well, whatever one says these days someone will take offence and contradict it with their ‘knowledge’.
“If I said black was white, you’d say it was grey” as a very capable songwriter once said.
I wouldn't take offence...I'd take the gate and break over his back....:lol:
Filterlab
12-01-2021, 15:24
:lol:
anthonyTD
12-01-2021, 17:03
Me too :scratch:
Well it's lost on me.:scratch:
it has to do with Michelangelo Buonarroti back in the 16th c in florence i think...
Still lost on me.
What has Michaelangelo got to do with mattresses, or indeed with his thread?
Historical virgins eh ? :D
In 1530 the combined troops of Charles V and Medici Pope Clement VII lay siege to Florence. The bell tower of San Miniato al Monte was part of the defences. Michelangelo Buonarroti, as he was good at most things, was put in charge of defending the city. He used the ploy of hanging mattresses on the outside of the tower to minimize damage from cannon fire.
Martin used the phrase as the attacking of the Wam may have produced incoming fire..
or thats my take; i could be wrong
walpurgis
12-01-2021, 17:30
And there I was thinking the answer might be forty two. :eyebrows:
Fair enough - a bit arcane though!
Jac Hawk
12-01-2021, 17:34
And there I was thinking the answer might be forty two. :eyebrows:
Isn't it :scratch::scratch::scratch::doh::eek:
No - the answer, apparently, is 1530. :D
Historical virgins eh ? :D
In 1530 the combined troops of Charles V and Medici Pope Clement VII lay siege to Florence. The bell tower of San Miniato al Monte was part of the defences. Michelangelo Buonarroti, as he was good at most things, was put in charge of defending the city. He used the ploy of hanging mattresses on the outside of the tower to minimize damage from cannon fire.
Martin used the phrase as the attacking of the Wam may have produced incoming fire..
or thats my take; i could be wrong
No, I didn't know that.
'Going to the mattresses' is a Cosa Nostra expression dating back to at least the 1930s. Whether there's an older Italian or Sicilian term I don't know.
If one family goes to war with another the soldiers and capos move out of their family homes and into a safe house, they have to bring a mattress with them to sleep on. Hence the term 'going to the mattresses' means 'going to war.'
You hear it used occasionally in mob-related tv and films.
No, I didn't know that.
'Going to the mattresses' is a Cosa Nostra expression dating back to at least the 1930s. Whether there's an older Italian or Sicilian term I don't know.
If one family goes to war with another the soldiers and capos move out of their family homes and into a safe house, they have to bring a mattress with them to sleep on. Hence the term 'going to the mattresses' means 'going to war.'
You hear it used occasionally in mob-related tv and films.
maybe where the mob got the term from?
maybe where the mob got the term from?
Yes, they invented it. According to Joe Valachi it was in use at the time of the Castellammarese War, which was 1930 and technically pre-dates Cosa Nostra, but may be older than that.
Better ask Marco, although not Sicilian he is Nosferatu and at least 800 years old, so he might know. :D
Pigmy Pony
13-01-2021, 07:20
I thought nosferatu was a fancy name for Dracula.
anthonyTD
13-01-2021, 10:34
Ahh, well, not being a history buff, i would not have had a clue about either, but thanks for clearing that up :D
Jac Hawk
13-01-2021, 10:43
Better ask Marco, although not Sicilian he is Nosferatu and at least 800 years old, so he might know. :D
I was thinking about going to Sicily this year on holiday:)
Sleep with the fishes goes way back too... A similar reference can be found in Herman Melville's Moby Dick, wherein the second mate Stubb soliloquizes: "when Aquarius, or the Water-bearer, pours out his whole deluge and drowns us; and to wind up with Pisces, or the Fishes, we sleep. (Melville, Moby Dick, ch. 94).
Earliest known reference for this phrase can be found in the epic Greek poem, The Iliad, by Homer. During Book 21, Achilles slays Lykaon, a son of Priam, and throws him in a river. Achilles taunts him as he dies, saying "Lie there now among the fish..." (Lattimore translation) or, "Make your bed with the fishes now..." (Fagles translation). In other words, sleep with the fishes.
I thought nosferatu was a fancy name for Dracula.
Yes, Marco is one of the undead. That is why all the images you see here on the Forum are of a body double - vampires cast no reflections or images on camera. :D
anthonyTD
15-01-2021, 10:09
:eek: Funny you should say that... :hmm:
Yes, Marco is one of the undead. That is why all the images you see here on the Forum are of a body double - vampires cast no reflections or images on camera. :D
Yes, Marco is one of the undead. That is why all the images you see here on the Forum are of a body double - vampires cast no reflections or images on camera. :D
You've been spending too much time in Tabatha's dungeon...:eyebrows:
Marco.
mad-moon
29-01-2021, 14:27
I've had several threats of a ban on Hifi wigwam...I've been accused of being racist..(they called it inappropriate language) I said Harry married an Ethnic..so now I'm a racist..Oh and I insulted one of the mods by calling him Mr Poindexter..:lol:....I've got 10 warning points, which can never be removed...:rolleyes:...I only visit Wam now to read the classifieds and just leave the children to play amongst themselves....
Forgot my password...three requests to retrieve access with a new password and a mail to Hifiwigwam, with no reply....must have hit a nerve...:lol:
Filterlab
03-02-2021, 09:14
:lol:
“Warning points”, how pathetic.
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