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My daughter keeps asking for a pet, and my wife thinks it would be a good idea, but she is allergic to cats and dogs.
So, I have been doing a bit of research, and it seems that there are a few suitable dogs breeds that woukd be giid.
The question is, which would be most suitable for a 5 year old child? I am most tempted by a mini schnauzer or a westie, as I want a small to medium size dog.
We have a large garden, and the dog is likely to spend the day outdoors when we are at work (one of the reasons I don't think a pet.is a great idea). I will build a shelter, or make a hole in the shed wall so it has shelter available with water etc.
So based on the fact we work 5 days a week, is getting a dog a good idea? If so, which is best suited for a child? I have limited experience with dogs - I had one as a pet when I was growing up, so I am.hoping those with a lot more experience can ooint me in the right direction.
My plan B was to get her some fish....
walpurgis
12-10-2020, 09:17
is getting a dog a good idea?
No. Dogs aren't just 'things' that can be plonked outside for the entertainment of a child, they need human interaction and respond to affection. They may survive outside in the cold and damp (which some poor animals have to), but really a dog should be treated as part of the family and kept indoors. They are highly intelligent and reward kindness.
shih tzu's are usually fine hair wise.. good size and my daughters is good with people.. I wouldnt keep a dog outside tho. certainly not a pet. They are out usually during day a few days a week, and dog is fine in house by self, after being introduced to it when young but she likes company too and pines a bit. Its all about training them and understanding their psyche and feelings really.
fish are great pets that dont need too much looking after.. (depending on fish and enviornment of course)Tropicals indorrs are great, but need more attention. Goldfish in a pond outdoors is fine too.
Then there is a budgie; can be good companions
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It would be part of the family (when we are at home) and would sleep indoors.
I honestly thought it would be happier outside in a 2 acre garden than being shut indoors. This is why I am asking before we get one.
My plan was go build a good sized kennel so that it has shelter, and either get a second for company, or toys for it to play with.
But if it is a bad idea I will start looking for an aquarium.
DiveDeepDog
12-10-2020, 09:46
If you out regularly all day, I’d say bad idea especially if your considering a puppy.
Dogs are great for family development, maybe ask local kennels/dogS home if you could volunteer some walking time.
Borrow my dog also lets dogs out.
Beobloke
12-10-2020, 09:47
I agree - it’s a bad idea to have a dog if you’re leaving it alone all day. Our friends had a similar idea and built a fantastic outdoor run/kennel/shelter for their dog that was a work of art. However, when they kept having to go home due to complaints from the neighbours about the dog howling continually, they realised the folly of their idea.
If you’re not around, go for cat. There are several breads that gave hair rather than fur, or you could even go for the hairless variety.
Ali Tait
12-10-2020, 09:47
No. Dogs aren't just 'things' that can be plonked outside for the entertainment of a child, they need human interaction and respond to affection. They may survive outside in the cold and damp (which some poor animals have to), but really a dog should be treated as part of the family and kept indoors. They are highly intelligent and reward kindness.
This. ^
I don't think it's fair in any way to get a dog when you both work full time. Not to suggest it would be badly treated, but I think it's very unfair on the dog to be home alone all day.
AJSki2fly
12-10-2020, 09:51
Hi Kevin
A difficult one, especially when you have a young daughter pleading for a dog.
I am on my 4th dog, first was a Rough Collie, Goldie, I had her from the age of 10 till she passed at 14 years. I had no siblings so she was my best friend, highly intelligent, and went everywhere she could with me, slept outside my bedroom door and woke me up in the morning, was waiting at the front of the house at 4 o'clock when I came home form school. She was easy to train and very loving, my mum was home at least half the day so she did not get lonely. She need LOTS of grooming, shed lots of hair if you forgot, and needed exercising twice a day for 45-60 minutes. So up early for walks and after school.
When I was 36 we got an Irish Red Setter, Hattie, a beautiful and intelligent dog, My wife was working part time which is why we waited till then. Anyone who tells you Irish Setters are scatty/stupid knows nothing, they are head strong and have a mind of their own so can be hard to train, but love and treats wins through. Sadly we lost her in a freak accident at 3 years, which broke out hearts. Shortly after we got another Mollie, very similar character but more laid back, they are all different. After loosing Mollie we had a break for 3 years and we now have Harry as you see on my avatar picture. He is obstinate, naughty, but is the most loving dog ever, he just wants to be with me and wherever I am in the house follows me there, and either goes to sleep or watches me. They all needed 2-3 hours of walking a day, and I am not talking a amble around the park, proper exercise. 2 of them had big visits to the vets, one to Bristol Vetenary Hospital to diagnose a skin allergy problem Mollies had, £3K later in 2001 and she was improved after 9 months of injections that we did at home to de-sensitise her. Harry we nearly lost in 2018 when he got a twisted gut, more common in large deep chest dogs, all dog is like a sausage that lies in their chests and can twist, this trap the main artery to the heart and if not operated on quickly enough they die. Harry survived, but only about 50% do, the vet bill was over £2K.
I friends daughter had a Westie, a lovely dog called Teddy, she promised to walk, feed, groom and clean him, it lasted for about 3 months, and then the novelty wore off, so mum and dad ended ups doing that, poorly in my opinion. Westie's are prone to ear infection problems and also can suffer from skin issues, I think it is a genetic issue in some breed lines.
Schnauzers were breed as rat catchers and guard dogs, they have independent minds so you must train them early on within the first year after that it will be a struggle. A local friend had two standard Schnauzers who were generlly fine, but we very territorial, and people they did not know or those they sensed apprehension with would get a mouthful fo barking from them. Did not be fooled into thinking a smaller one will be easier, I know of two locally and Harry will not go near them, they are full of attitude and bark at every other dog that comes near them or the owner. Only get one if you do not mind a small barking/yapping dog that you cannot stop doing it.
Because a dog is small do not think it does not need lots of exercise, terriers for example, which are general working dogs will go ono and on all day long, they were bread to get rabbits, ferreting and so on. So bear in mind this sort of dog will need strong recall training or it will be off down a suitable hole.
All dogs in my experience DO NOT like be left alone for long periods of time, they will become bored, we never left our dogs for more than 4-5 hours. If left for long periods they may develop anti-social behaviour as a result, and even become destructive. You suggested leaving one in a garden all day, well that may work in better weather but, once winter hits unless it is a Husky type dog or one bread for cold conditions it is not a great idea. Also if boredom sets in most will find a way to dig themselves out of the garden. I have seen dogs chained up in gardens, this is extremely cruel and dangerous for the dog, it is not unknown for them to be strangled or injured by the chain wrapping around legs when they are upset by a neighbour or a postie.
If you do get one whatever you do INSURE it, vets bills are not cheap!!! Remember it may initially be your daughters dog but effectively will be yours, our Harry costs us around £1800-2000 a year, for food and treats, and £600 is insurance as he is older, a small-medium sized dog will be around £1500/year. Insurance will start at around £20/month and will gradually go up each year, roughly £3-5/year increase depending upon its history of illness, we insure Harry through NFU with our house insurance which is the most cost effective way, and we take the maximum per year payout.
By the way small dogs are not necessarily the best with children, it just depends, some can be very snappy and anxious and this does not go well with a young child pulling it about. Also do not think a small dog cannot do serious damage to a child, it can it has teeth and it will use them if hurt or frightened!. I have seen a farmer stood over a dead sheep holding a piece of rope he had tied to the terrier that had killed, he was asking the dogs owner and her daughter what she wanted to do with the dog. The woman had no concept that their sweet little dog would do such a thing.
Some larger breeds are very good with children, Rough Collies, Irish and English Setters, believe it or not. All our Setters if you gave their lead to one of our young nieces or nephews aged anything from 3 to 11 at the time they would just quietly walk with them and not pull, it was extraordinary they just instinctively knew they could easily pull a small person over. I would be careful about Labrador's, whilst reasonably easy to train they tend to be a one person dog, and what is not generally known is that they are the most sited breed for attacking other dogs. I would avoid hunting type hound dogs with possibly one exception, a Weimaraner can be a lovely family pet, and an easier to keep coat, not always recommended for a 1st time owner, it will need lots of exercise and loves to run and have fun.
One other dog a lot of people do not consider is a standard poodle, they are extremely intelligent and ranked just behind a border collie, so easier to train, also the wool coat may help with your wife's allergies. Our sister-in-law had a black bitch Dee-Dee, she was just wonderful, she would play with our very young nephew at the time and sit by him when he was asleep. The smaller poodles have similar traits but can be quite demanding and have that small dog in your face attitude.
One breed Sue and I have considered as we get older, is a Working Cocker, these generally are intelligent and have a lovely nature and are great fun and very affectionate, but you must be prepared for lots of exercise and play.
Any dog if treated right, and given love and your attention will give you its 110% love back and more, it will surprise you on a regular basis and will become your best friend. But you only get back what you put into it, ignore them, don't train it early on, leave it alone, neglect it and you will end up with an uncontrollable nightmare and it will not be the dogs fault.
I hope this may give you some insight and I am sorry if not all of what I have said is what you want to hear, but to be honest that is the way it is.
No dog should be left alone for more than 5 hours is recommended these days especially when young as they need toilet breaks, also lonely dogs can be destructive.
If you both work full time then I'm sorry it's a no from me.
In the UK, taking a big risk leaving dogs in garden Kennels, with dogs new being sold at £2000-£3000 they're being targeted all over the UK.
walpurgis
12-10-2020, 09:58
Remember, dogs need walking and bigger dogs need longer walks. Be prepared for vet bills too, these days they can be huge! (and I hate people who put a dog down at the slightest hint of cost!!)
Thanks all. As I thought, fish are the best option, with a budgie beingba close 2nd.
My daughter understands we can't have pets due to allergies.
I will keep to that reason.
Cats are out, as we live next to a road that is busy during peak hours. I have already seen several cats killed near my house.
Remember, dogs need walking and bigger dogs need longer walks. Be prepared for vet bills too, these days they can be huge! (and I hate people who put a dog down at the slightest hint of cost!!)
absolutely right.
We got our Staffy when we were both at work, but one or other of us could get home early/at lunchtimes - we justified the hours that the dog was alone as we looked on it as being better than the dog being in kennels (getting highly stressed) and potentially being put down.
Now that I am retired Tia (the dog), gets pissed off with not having more time to herself.
You are in a tricky position: ideally, a puppy is good with small children as they can grow up together. Unfortunately, a puppy needs lots of time with people to grow up happy and well adjusted.
I don't know about hypoallergenic cats: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/theres-no-such-thing-hypoallergenic-cat-180968819/
walpurgis
12-10-2020, 10:14
What about a hamster or rat? Rats are highly intelligent and make good pets.
You could take your daughter to a petting farm or petting zoo and see what animals she gets on with, there may be some she won't be allergic to.
walpurgis
12-10-2020, 10:18
I'm taking the mutt out in a minute. I'm not sure who needs the walk and fresh air most, me or her! :)
Ali Tait
12-10-2020, 10:37
Remember, dogs need walking and bigger dogs need longer walks. Be prepared for vet bills too, these days they can be huge! (and I hate people who put a dog down at the slightest hint of cost!!)
Yes indeed. My Lab, Jake, never ailed a thing until the last couple of years of his life, he developed Type 1 Diabetes and then Diabetic Neuropathy which none of the vets had ever seen in a dog before. Common in cats apparently. It took an MRI and other tests at a cost of 2.7k to get to the bottom of this. Then he had to have insulin injections twice daily for the remainder of his life. Still miss him.
Mikeandvan
12-10-2020, 11:01
If you want a dog, then working full time you would definitely need a walker every day you're not home. Dogs hate being left outside the family home - even in garden - so that;s a big no no. I'm lucky as I know a local lady who walks my dog for an hour or often longer at no extra cost. Try to use someone local, rather than a professional company.
Mikeandvan
12-10-2020, 11:04
How about one of those freaky hairless cats? I met one the other day, it was a lot less horrible than it looked.
No cats. They won't live long enough.
Fish are definitely the way forward.
walpurgis
12-10-2020, 11:31
No cats. They won't live long enough.
Fish are definitely the qay forward.
Cats tend to outlive dogs.
Patrick Dixon
12-10-2020, 11:42
Cats tend to outlive dogs.
Not when there is a busy road involved (read up-thread).
When we had our litter of Border Terrier puppies, I wouldn't sell to people who weren't going to be at home for most of the day, even those who said they could get back at lunchtime. Puppies need a lot of time and company or they will be stressed, anti-social and will destroy things. Ultimately neither of you will be happy.
You could consider an indoor Rabbit or Guinea Pig maybe? Beware of cables though.
Cats tend to outlive dogs.
Not if they get run over on the road outside my house. It is busy at peak times.
Not when there is a busy road involved (read up-thread).
When we had our litter of Border Terrier puppies, I wouldn't sell to people who weren't going to be at home for most of the day, even those who said they could get back at lunchtime. Puppies need a lot of time and company or they will be stressed, anti-social and will destroy things. Ultimately neither of you will be happy.
You could consider an indoor Rabbit or Guinea Pig maybe? Beware of cables though.
had 2 borders.. great dogs. would have another; thats how good they are. great with kids too
walpurgis
12-10-2020, 11:51
Not if they get run over on the road outside my house. It is busy at peak times.
Ah, I'd forgotten you'd said that.
Thanks for the advice chaps.
As I had suspected, it is not a good idea.
Now to convince the wife.
I think setting up an aquairium with my daughter, and making her responsible for it will be a great thing to do together.
Now I just need to find some nice looking, easy care fish.
beware angel fish.. they look innocent but have a bad habit of eating other fish :lol: no-one thinks its the angel;)
lots of tropical fish you can get. need to get the gear tho. when I started i got most of my gesr second hand. was a good way to start
walpurgis
12-10-2020, 12:02
Just get an aquarium animated desktop background/wallpaper for the TV or computer. Job done!
I will take her to a pet shop so ghat she can have a look around.
If she shows no interest, I will leave it there.
Buy her a little HiFi setup and watch it grow up and develop over the coming years [emoji6][emoji23]
Buy her a little HiFi setup and watch it grow up and develop over the coming years [emoji6][emoji23]
She is happy to listen to mine, and boogies away to the music.
As another Border Terrier owner I have to say Fish are the way forward in this situation :goodluck:
You could consider an indoor Rabbit or Guinea Pig maybe? Beware of cables though.
Guinea pigs are great - we had three when the girls were younger, much more sociable than I would have thought and they sort of "rumble"/purr when they are happy. Very useful for getting rid of vegetable scraps :)
Guinea pigs are great - we had three when the girls were younger, much more sociable than I would have thought and they sort of "rumble"/purr when they are happy. Very useful for getting rid of vegetable scraps :)
i had 2 piggies when i was a boy. they lived in an old wooden coal bunker and a run around them. even with our weather they were snug enough and got out to excersise when they wanted during day. lived for a good few years too. nice pets with sharp teeth
Patrick Dixon
12-10-2020, 18:52
Sadly one of our Border Terriers went out of the back door in March and we haven't seen her since. We are still looking for her.
Pigmy Pony
12-10-2020, 19:09
If you've got a big garden, how about a couple of sheep? Hypoallergenic (probably), and you get your grass cut for free :) Or as has been suggested, a rat. I'm told they have a good temperament. Don't be tempted by a hamster, just because they look cuter. I got one for my daughter - they sleep all day, run round their bloody wheel all night, they die if you drop 'em, and die anyway after a few months. A really shit pet IME, even worse than terrapins. :(
If you do choose to get a rat I'd advise buying from a breeder rather than capturing one from behind the bins.
Not many rats around here, as the snakes eat them all....
Sadly one of our Border Terriers went out of the back door in March and we haven't seen her since. We are still looking for her.
not like them to wander far without knowing their way back. they are quite keen on staying fairly close to their master.
miss both mine.. shawn, was a character. he would wander when out a walk but would come to heel if called or if i went out of sight. he could run all day.. hope she can be found
Pigmy Pony
16-10-2020, 21:01
Border terriers are great, they look a bit bad tempered, but have the sweetest temperament. The only small dog that appeals to me :)
Patrick Dixon
17-10-2020, 09:08
not like them to wander far without knowing their way back. they are quite keen on staying fairly close to their master.
miss both mine.. shawn, was a character. he would wander when out a walk but would come to heel if called or if i went out of sight. he could run all day.. hope she can be found
Thanks. We live in the middle of the countryside and she liked to run off and hunt around for things to chase: she'd done it before and always came back once she'd had her fun, but I think this time she chased something too far and couldn't find her way back home.
She was seen a couple of times about 5 miles away but the trail has since gone very cold (lockdown really didn't help), but we are still looking. Hopefully she's alright somewhere.
Good luck with the search.
I hope you find her.
Patrick Dixon
17-10-2020, 14:21
Thanks. She was born in my hands and we have her Mum and one of her Brothers, so we aren't going to give up.
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Patsy
Thanks. She was born in my hands and we have her Mum and one of her Brothers, so we aren't going to give up.
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Patsy
lovely picture
Thanks. She was born in my hands and we have her Mum and one of her Brothers, so we aren't going to give up.
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Patsy
You must be so worried - my very best wishes in your search.
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shawn.
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