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I have 5 watercolours signed by ‘Treyer Evans’ who I’ve googled and he appears to be a known illustrator/artist.
I’ve made enquiries and am waiting for answers but wondered if anyone on the forum may be able to give me an unbiased view of their possible value?
Dad found them in a bin about 50 years ago!
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walpurgis
05-09-2020, 12:30
I'm betting they were painted in the 20th century. The style, materials and writing don't look 17th century.
I'm betting they were painted in the 20th century. The style, materials and writing don't look 17th century.
The date relates to the subject matter 'Samuel Pepys at sea', I'm wondering if they were illustrations intended to be used in a book?
Evans lived from 1889 to 1958 and did some illustrating for Enid Blyton's books.
seem to vary in the hundreds
walpurgis
05-09-2020, 12:45
They look like the kind of framed pictures you used to see hanging on the wall in county pubs and inns. Still do sometimes.
yup he died in 1958 i think, so will be early to mid 20th c
Always assuming they're genuine of course? But they seem well executed notwithstanding the subject matter & suitably aged. I just wonder what they were doing in a bin in the Albert docks? (where Dad worked).
I'm wondering if they were illustrations intended to be used in a book?
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That was my first thought. Although what I know about art could be written on a postage stamp.
I like the one with the rowboat.
I like the one with the rowboat.
Funnily enough that's the one I've had framed on the wall for a number of years.
look to be unfinished testers.. still should have a value.. quite like them all
Didn’t you used to draw the dole Macca?
I like the music one.
walpurgis
05-09-2020, 14:11
look to be unfinished testers.. still should have a value.. quite like them all
I agree.
Didn’t you used to draw the dole Macca?
:D
Just for fun I spent 10 mins creating a profile of Treyer Evans on Ancestry. Interesting fella.
The quoted death date mentioned earlier is wrong - he actually died in 1981 (perhaps 1958 was when he retired?). There is also some confusion in the records on his actual birth year.
He went to the States in 1914 - actually on the Lusitania - a year before it was sunk.
Anyway here is (http://imapnet.com/aos/evansprofile.pdf) a glimpse of his profile.
@Roy, let me know if you want me to send you any of the underlying sources (census form, ship record etc).
Skips the country a couple of months after the start of WW1. So he obviously wasn't daft.
Sherwood
05-09-2020, 14:41
I don't know what size these are but they look like illustrations for a book to me too. The fact that there is a sequence of paintings depicting events in the subject's life suggest it might be a picture biography. Evans seems to have had a career as a book illustrator.
Just for fun I spent 10 mins creating a profile of Treyer Evans on Ancestry. Interesting fella.
The quoted death date mentioned earlier is wrong - he actually died in 1981 (perhaps 1958 was when he retired?). There is also some confusion in the records on his actual birth year.
He went to the States in 1914 - actually on the Lusitania - a year before it was sunk.
Anyway here is (http://imapnet.com/aos/evansprofile.pdf) a glimpse of his profile.
@Roy, let me know if you want me to send you any of the underlying sources (census form, ship record etc).
Thanks Edward, much appreciated, I’ll have a look when I get chance.
I don't know what size these are but they look like illustrations for a book to me too. The fact that there is a sequence of paintings depicting events in the subject's life suggest it might be a picture biography. Evans seems to have had a career as a book illustrator.
15 x 9 inches.
Depending on the subject matter, anywhere between £100 to £800. https://www.invaluable.com/artist/evans-treyer-meredith-oh1s4pcfh5/sold-at-auction-prices/
Depending on the subject matter, anywhere between £100 to £800. https://www.invaluable.com/artist/evans-treyer-meredith-oh1s4pcfh5/sold-at-auction-prices/
Thanks for that Barry.
I've contacted an auction house about these & I'll update this thread with the outcome.
Sounds like they might fetch enough to run to a decent watch ;)
Thanks for that Barry.
I've contacted an auction house about these & I'll update this thread with the outcome.
Sounds like they might fetch enough to run to a decent watch ;)Time will tell [emoji6]
Time will tell [emoji6]
See what you did there [emoji6]
Here are the pictures in a bit more detail
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[QUOTE=Roy S;1220091]Here are the pictures in a bit more detail
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:painting: Looks more recent than claimed - that chap in the centre seems to have an iPad :)
:painting: Looks more recent than claimed - that chap in the centre seems to have an iPad :)
It'll be the nautical model though, an 'aye aye' Pad.
lol
I had a vague recollection that Pepys was something to do with the Royal Navy, turns out he was on the Navy Board so that's why he's at sea. I suppose the texts below the pics are entries from his diary.
lol
I had a vague recollection that Pepys was something to do with the Royal Navy, turns out he was on the Navy Board so that's why he's at sea. I suppose the texts below the pics are entries from his diary.
Yep
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/
Well Sotheby's aren't interested, not valuable enough for them to bother with they said but they were very nice about it.
walpurgis
11-09-2020, 15:35
Chiswick Auctions are within reach.
Chiswick Auctions are within reach.
Thanks, I've completed their online valuation form.
Didn't get a lot of interest in these so decided to frame them & then find a suitable wall.
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yup, good sympathetic framing.
Thanks both, quite pleased with the results for ready made frames that only cost me a little over 30 quid.
They might usurp some existing artwork.
Now adorning my stairwell.
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Wonderful thread this one. An ART Detective story.... :lol:
Enid Blyton and illustrator Treyer Evans were published by Methuen & co.
I think they amalgamated with Eyre & Spottiswoode around 1970 and became Eyre Methuen.
Takeovers usually involve much clearing and closing of offices and warehouses. Maybe there was one in Cannng Town, London.
Seems likely that "Pepys at Sea" was an Illustrated Diary that never happened? It all fits with the dates and text on the pictures which do match the Diary.
Congratulations, Roy. Nice pictures.
I learn that Samuel Pepys is buried in St. Olave's Church in Hart Street near Fenchurch, London. Looks a lovely old Church:
https://saintolave.com/.
I love old churches. Full of interesting history.
Thanks for that, some interesting tidbits of information there.
I am a great believer that there is a reason for everything. You should pursue this strange Pepys business.
Short tube journey to the St. Olave Church in Hart Street in London from Romford. I know a bit about St. Olaf, as it goes.
Patron Saint of lovely Norway. The St. Olaf choir in Trondheim is a legend. And it is an odd coincidence that my NFL Football team is the Minnesota Vikings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Io_7-jVfYU
I was always fascinated by artist Vincent Van Gogh. He has played a large part in my life. Seen his pictures in Amsterdam, and London.
Visited the asylum in the South of France.
https://www.vangoghgallery.com/painting/starry-night.html
Amazing to see the actual sunflowers and wicker chair and hills that inspired him. He was good.
I am a great believer that there is a reason for everything. You should pursue this strange Pepys business.
Short tube journey to the St. Olave Church in Hart Street in London from Romford.
I'm shunning public transport at the moment but, yes, would be interesting to go and have a look round and pay my respects.
I'm shunning public transport at the moment but, yes, would be interesting to go and have a look round and pay my respects.
quite right Roy... i'm shunning everyone :ner:
quite right Roy... i'm shunning everyone :ner:
Me to Grant excepting my two lovely support bubble ladies. ;)
This germ business is spoiling all our fun. I used to go up to London on a day trip every month.
A mere £13 with the London Transport thrown in on me old fogey's rail pass. :(
So much to do and see.
But doubtless to roughly quote Chaucer's Canterbury Tales: "When Aprille with her shours sweet hath the droght of Merche pierced to the roote,
then maketh people pylgrimage,"
But now likely to St. Olave's in Hart Street amongst other places. Looks fascinating. Hart refers to a deer in old English.
I have been to St. Etheldreda's in Holborn a couple of times:
http://www.stetheldreda.com/
England's oldest Catholic Church. Took Mass there since they welcome all faiths, And got blessed by the Father, which made me feel good.
The Pub next door is interesting too. :lol:
This germ business is spoiling all our fun. I used to go up to London on a day trip every month.
A mere £13 with the London Transport thrown in on me old fogey's rail pass. :(
So much to do and see.
Costs me nothing with my free over 60s oyster but I rarely went in before the do dos hit the fan, last time was about a year ago to see the Clash exhibit at the museum of London (bit of a let down but the museum itself was worth a visit anyway) & to do a little xmas shopping (a Rolex for 'er indoors & an Omega for me :) )
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It always amused me that Joe Strummer, who got the songwriting credits for "London Calling" never had to work for the rest of his life.
He got about a million pounds every year in radio royalties! :lol:
When the current fog has cleared, I can commend a free visit to the Victoria and Albert Museum in South Kensington, where they even have some relics of Saints, along with many other wonders.
And also the free National Gallery, which is stuffed full of famous pictures.
And top it off with a bevvy in the Rolling Stones' favourite watering hole in St. Martin's Lane nearby, the splendid old Gin Palace known as The Salisbury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salisbury,_Covent_Garden).
Don't know where the Clash used to drink. :scratch:
Last did the V&A & IWM (in the same day) in 2016, finishing off with a pint or two in the Blind Beggar (where Ronnie Kray shot George Cornell) then a curry in Brick Lane https://www.standardbaltihouse.co.uk/
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That looks like the nose section of a Lancaster bomber. The worst job in the War was flying on bombers! Very dangerous and miserably cold.
I've never been to the Blind Beggar, but I know about it as a murder scene and the Krays and even Barbara Windsor involved. Nobody saw nuffink!
But of course, a curry in Brick Lane is irresistable. I ordered a hot Phall in some moment of madness. :eek:
That looks like the nose section of a Lancaster bomber. The worst job in the War was flying on bombers! Very dangerous and miserably cold.
Always think of this chap when I see a Lancaster:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Alkemade
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