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wookiee
01-09-2020, 14:07
Hello all.

Well, where to start? Perhaps a confession.
It's 25 years since I bought any new kit.
Strange thing. Partly, the years come fast. Partly, the open plan room that the system has been in has seen it underused. Partly life got in the way. Partly, to be quite honest, I think I fell a bit out of love with music. Let's say agnostic.

But we've moved house. Different rooms. All the vinyl is out now. And the wax stain from the candle spilled down the front grille of my speakers by Brian Molko from Placebo some time around 1998 had finally got too much.

My music collection is probably equal parts vinyl and CD. I was late to CD, but as LPs got harder to find I got into the habit of buying them. Turns out I have more than I thought.

What's on all these discs I can hear you asking.
I was a teen in the 80s, so there's a lot of 80s and 90s. British pop of the early 80s has been regarded as a bit cheesy, I think. Perhaps not entirely fairly. I still get a lot out of the first couple of Duran Duran albums. And the consistently inconsistent Police releases.
By the end of the decade I had a few things going on - ernest, winsome singer-songwriter types (Stephen Duffy/Lilac Time, The Bible, Prefab Sprout, Aztec Camera, Lloyd Cole); funk crossover things (Prince, Living Colour); electro-pop (Depeche Mode, Erasure, Blancmange).
Loved britpop. Probably more Blur than Oasis if that was about taking sides, but Radiohead seem to be the band who endured from out of that time.
And Neil Finn/Crowded House continue to be a firm favourite.

My dad's record collection offered The Who, The Beatles, Joni Mitchell, Spencer Davis Group and others who in hindsight have obviously shaped my tastes, so I have a smattering of 60s and 70s things.

Love a bit of old-fashioned soul - Motown and Atlantic. Good tunes, keen emotions, terrific voices. And coming out of a different tradition, but a similar era, I think Bacharach is probably a genius.

Then I reached a point where nothing much felt new and exciting. Bands seemed to me to be pale imitations of Talking Heads or XTC or The Clash and I'd rather listen to them than hear the results of their influence. Somewhere around 2004/2005 my record-buying slowed significantly.
I carried on buying stuff by people I already liked - Stephen Duffy, Crowded House, Paul Weller and made a few newer discoveries like Joe Henry, Wilco, Ryan Adams. But that youthful hunger seemed to leave me.

Not talked about the women. Always keen on a female vocalist. Still can't think about Amy Winehouse without shaking my head. Oh, the music we might have got from her if things had been different. Chrissie Hynde, Joni Mitchell, Blondie, Kathryn Williams, Clare and the Reasons, Rumer, Aretha, Annie Lennox - all big favourites.

Now you're bored and you want to hear what I play it on.
Rega Planar 3 with an RB300 and K5. Needs a service and will ultimately be replaced in this mid-life refresh.
I've a stable-platter Pioneer PL-S703 CD player from the mid-90s which I think is still very, very good. Do I get a DAC and use it as a transport? Or get a 21st century CD player?
I've had a Creek 4240 doing a lovely job for the last two and a half decades. But it's got a new, temporary role in the last month or so.
That's because I accidently bought a Naim Nap 250 DR. There was one on eBay and the bid was low and I picked number and pressed submit totally expecting to be swamped and outbid by several hundred pounds in the closing minutes. Didn't happen. Turned out I won. And didn't entirely mean to.

Here we are then. Am I about to become a Naimiac? I certainly can't afford it. Either in minutes or in pounds. But its presence in my system demands action and upgrades.

Right now I'm using the 4240 as a pre-amp (it has an output) and it seems to be doing a fine job. But I suspect there's more to come with a matched pre. Thinking of a 32.5 or 72 or an 82. But know nothing other than what I've read about them.

And the amp drives a second hand pair of Neat Motive SX1s which are big step up from my 90s B&W 600s that Brian Molko baptized with candle wax.

So there you have it. I'm all ears on what I should audition to give me a system I can enjoy untouched for another 25 years. And for music that I might like to check out.

And you all probably know about streaming, don't you. Which I've always regarded as something young people use to annoy me by playing on their phones without earphones on public transport, but I now understand can be a real hifi possibility.

Feel free to welcome me to the 21st century. And see you all again in 25 years.

Cheers.

struth
01-09-2020, 14:12
welcome toby, good intro. i hope you enjoy the forum and find something new..:)

Barry
01-09-2020, 14:41
Welcome to AoS Toby,

Glad you have joined us: that was an interesting and entertaining introduction! :)

Don't wait another 25 years before we hear from you again.

Enjoy the Forum
Barry

Firebottle
01-09-2020, 15:11
Hi Toby, an interesting intro. Welcome to AoS, we are all friendly ('cause Marco doesn't allow it any other way, bless him).

I have SX2's on the TV system but the main system is a right mish mash making wonderful music.
Personally i wouldn't say stick to 'matching' Naim preamp, I think you can get a better system with mix rather than match.

For any techie queries there are some very knowledgable guys on here, including myself.
:cool:

AJSki2fly
01-09-2020, 15:49
Hello Toby

Great intro, enjoy you path of upgrading, it can be fun, frustrating and costly, but it'll be worth it in the end.:)

Cheers

Adrian

wookiee
01-09-2020, 15:55
Grant, Barry, Alan, thank you for popping up to say hello. Good of you.

And Alan, that’s an encouraging start, having someone suggest I needn’t go Nac with my Nap. Thank you. It may save me from myself. The prospect of being tempted by the adding of extra Naim boxes to power different circuits in other Naim boxes is the kind of thing that’ll have me continually on edge and refreshing Hi-fi Shark so often in search of a bargain that I’ll be able to sue them for repetitive strain injury. Probably best avoided.

If I want to gather accumulated knowledge on mixing rather than matching, what do you think is the best forum to ask my question of all the learned ladies and gentlemen of these parts? Does that belong in ‘Blank Canvas’? Or somewhere else?

DiveDeepDog
01-09-2020, 16:07
Welcome, worth noting the 250 won't power a Naim pre, you'll need a Hi-cap or similar. It's a slippery slope:lol:

Firebottle
01-09-2020, 16:26
Yes 'Blank Canvas' would be it.

wookiee
01-09-2020, 18:52
Hello Mark. Yes, I know. It’s boxes on boxes on boxes. With the constant temptation that adding a different, upgraded power supply will finally squeeze the final few drops of extra musicality out of some component or other.
Still, I got the 250 DR for a price I would be confident about recouping should I find myself too far down that dim and dangerous path.

walpurgis
02-09-2020, 06:53
Hello Toby. Welcome to AOS.

Good intro there. My tip, keep the Pioneer CD player, you'd have to spend an awful lot of money to better it with something new. Add a DAC by all means though, something from Theta maybe of similar age could be good (unless you intend streaming).

Join in the fun and chat with the members, they're a friendly bunch.


Enjoy the forum,
Geoff.

wookiee
02-09-2020, 15:51
Thanks Geoff.

Yes, the Pioneer as transport and a different DAC feels like a strong possibility. Even using it with the old integrated amp as a pre and the new power amp it's lost a bit of its splashiness, which was what I thought gave it away previously but now realise must have been its combination with the Creek's limitations.

I get the sense DACs have really improved since the mid-90s. Which leads me to ask you what the thinking is behind recommending a DAC from that time. Have they not really improved? Is that just the electronics industry trying to sell more new kit? Or do you feel I'll get a better match or more value for money with a DAC from the same period?

I'll go and find or ask for specific DAC recommendations in the appropriate forum once I get to that step on the path.

Nice to virtually meet you, anyway.

jollyfix
02-09-2020, 17:47
Hi Toby, welcome to AOS. Enjoy the forum. Great intro, enjoyed reading it.

wookiee
02-09-2020, 20:23
Kind of you to say so, Dave. Thanks.

The Black Adder
03-09-2020, 10:05
Hey Toby.

Welcome to AOS. :)

Enjoy!
Jo :)

wookiee
03-09-2020, 10:51
Thanks Jo. Good to have found you all.

Swann36
03-09-2020, 11:51
Hello Toby.

Welcome to AOS......Good intro .... I'd suggest keeping the CD player as your clearly very happy with it.... a DAC could be a good idea and would possibly add to your enjoyment, I got my BenchMark DAC1 HDR for that very reason running music off my Macbook air...and it is as a bonus a very good headphone amp and pre-amp...I'm not particularly suggesting you get a BM, rather simply saying how i ended up with one so as others have said ...join in the fun and chat with the members, they're a friendly bunch.

Lloyd

wookiee
03-09-2020, 17:10
Hello Lloyd.

Yes, separate DACs and streaming are the new lands for someone who hasn't updated their system for 25 years.
Our son will be the streaming generation, so best to give him some consideration and have a means by which he can play whatever he wants on some decent equipment. But I'm a long way behind the starting line, so will be asking all the basic questions.
Primary school digital education required, is what I'm saying.

Lots to learn. But having already had a warm welcome I've a feeling I'm probably in the right place.