Diabetes room , Post here if you suffer

[Audio Al]

Hi people , Do you have Diabetes

If you do share you problems and also what you eat ,

Menus ,

recipe's

I'm bored with eating bloody salad :doh:

[Pigmy Pony]

Bit quiet so far Allen, maybe everyone else likes salad :spew:

My mate was diagnosed with type 2 a couple of years ago, and he reckons this medication he's on has made him intolerant of dairy. If he just had a bit of milk in a brew he'd immediately be running to the bog for a dump - the effect is instant. Same with beer too :(

[walpurgis]

I think this thread is a good idea, we probably have quite a few members with diabetes or who have diabetic family members.

[Pigmy Pony]

And could be very useful for those who have been recently diagnosed.

[Marco]

Lol - what are yooz loike?:D

Maybe I should start a thread for healthy bastards, with fuck all wrong with them, and who sleep like babies?:eyebrows:

Marco.

[Gazjam]

AOS is a "Good Thing"

Long may it continue. (speaking as...Luckily...a non Diabetic)

[Pigmy Pony]

Lol - what are yooz loike?:D

Maybe I should start a thread for healthy bastards, with fuck all wrong with them, and who sleep like babies?:eyebrows:

Marco.

And maybe we should start a thread about mental health, so you wouldn't feel left out :ner:

[Barry]

I was diagnosed with Type II several years ago and was put on Gliclazide. But since I never experienced a 'hypo' I was taken off it. I now manage things by being careful with my diet: watching the amount of saturated fat; sugar; salt and, alcohol. Plenty of fish, and starchy foods: pasta, rice and potatos, and plenty of fresh vegetables and fruit. With this regime, my blood sugar levels are the same as those of a normal healthy person (Hab1c < 40).

[Pigmy Pony]

Forgive my ignorance, but does diabetes treatment involve several different medications, where certain ones work for some folk but have adverse effects for others? I don't know the name of what my mate takes, but I will find out. Maybe he needs to try an alternative (if there is one), as getting the shits from drinking one beer is no way to live...

[Barry]

Yes, there are several meds that can be prescribed. I think what is prescribed depends on the severity of the condition.

But if your friend has a problem with his meds, then he ought to discuss it with his GP.

[Pigmy Pony]

He may well have by now, we've been a bit out of touch lately. But I'll be seeing him on Sunday so I'll ask some questions.

[HackneyRF]

My wife was recently diagnosed with Latent Autoimmune Diabetes. Kind of falls between type 1 and 2 diabetes. But it doesn't have a full classification yet. Thought to be hereditary in part. Anyhow she was having persistent fasting blood glucose between 6 -8mmol/l and was symptomatic i.e. thirsty and peeing a lot. The book by Dr Michael Mosley (the one on the television quite a bit) called 'The 8 Week Blood Sugar Diet Recipe Book was recommended to her by the Diabetes Nurse Specialist. She already exercised quite a lot so didn't have to do more of that. She followed it and has managed to get her blood glucose well under control, lost a little weight in the process and feels an awful lot better. No drugs involved. Could be worth a try for people. Some of the recipes are very nice too. I'm not on a commission by the way!

[Ian7633]

My brother was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes about 25 years ago after becoming very unwell and rushed into hospital where he fell into a coma. His blood sugar measured 34 at it's peak and it was touch and go if he would recover. The hospital (Queen Elizabeth in Birmingham) nursed him back to health but it has been a long struggle to control his condition. He's tried many different regimes of treatment over the years and now has an insulin pump which measures his blood sugar and delivers the correct dose of insulin automatically. The manufactures made the pump look like an ipod to blend into every day life. He still has to keep to a healthy diet and lifestyle but the regime works for him. He also has to have regular checks on peripheral limbs and eyes.
As I am a close relative and blessed with an ample physic I check my blood sugar regularly but thankfully I'm ok.

[Audio Al]

I hardly ever drink beer due to my job , No licence no job :(

[Pigmy Pony]

My brother was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes about 25 years ago after becoming very unwell and rushed into hospital where he fell into a coma. His blood sugar measured 34 at it's peak and it was touch and go if he would recover. The hospital (Queen Elizabeth in Birmingham) nursed him back to health but it has been a long struggle to control his condition. He's tried many different regimes of treatment over the years and now has an insulin pump which measures his blood sugar and delivers the correct dose of insulin automatically. The manufactures made the pump look like an ipod to blend into every day life. He still has to keep to a healthy diet and lifestyle but the regime works for him. He also has to have regular checks on peripheral limbs and eyes.
As I am a close relative and blessed with an ample physic I check my blood sugar regularly but thankfully I'm ok.

Long may it continue :)

What is a "healthy" range for blood sugar levels? A work colleague once did a pinprick test on me with some little clicky gadget and it showed 4 and a bit. He thought that was rather low, as I'd had my breakfast only an hour earlier.

[struth]

4 mmol/L or Millimoles Per Litre is good and normal (3.9–5.5 )

[Audio Al]

diabetes can be deadly , A friend of mines brother was lost to it

1st he had some toes removed the his foot , later a lower leg , He then lost his sige due to diabetes

Over several years he was consumed by it and sadly died as a result of diabetes

When you are next at the doc's as for a test , It could save your life

[Audio Al]

My readings Tuesday was 9.2

Wednesday 8.2 :)

Heading in the right direction , Looks like the food restrictions are working

[Covenant]

I am Type 11 and have been for about 10 years. Doctor said eat a mediterranean diet, basically thats what I do, lost 17 pounds in weight within a year. I went 3 years without meds then one metformin tablet twice a day. Last two years increased to two a day. I have started doing a lot more exercise recently to try and keep it under control and now eat very little meat. No vino, only about 4 units of beer a week.
I feel fine and have no other health issues so hopefully it doesnt progress any further.......

[struth]

Whisky is your drink, not beer.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschrieberg/2017/06/30/5-reasons-drinking-whisky-is-healthy-for-you/

[CageyH]

So a week on from my discovery, and I have to say food is less interesting than it used to be.
Shopping takes four times as long.

I am sure it will get better, but it sucks at the moment.

[Andy831]

I was diagnosed as "pre diabetic" told by doc to attend a clinic/meeting held monthly on behalf of the NHS by Reed. I found it absolutely depressing and quit the course after about 8 meets so roughly halfway through.

Have cut out snacks except an odd bag of crisps, potato, pasta, rice or white starchy carbs and have been doing an 18-6 intermittent fasting for the past 8 weeks, all of which seem to be working, fingers crossed.

[Barry]

The only thing I have cut out is salt, sugar and saturated fat.
Otherwise I eat plenty of pasta, rice and potatoes.

[Mikeandvan]

The only thing I have cut out is salt, sugar and saturated fat.
Otherwise I eat plenty of pasta, rice and potatoes.

Carbs are supposed to be bad for diabetes type II, but it's down to the individual?

[Mikeandvan]

My Hb1c level was 4.3 back in Jan, and the same last month, after drastically reducing alcohol, carbs, sugar, so bit disappointed, may be it takes longer? May be I've buggered my pancreas or other organs? Might need meds, we'll see. Contrary to what most people have posted on this thread, I thought it was gospel that carbs were bad for diabetes, was told to cut bread, pasta, even rice. I'm like, 'what the f*** can I eat'? It's tough, but worth it if it works, which so far, it isn't. But as I said above, may be its down to the individual what they eat regards lowering blood sugar. I haven't drank in over a month, which I haven't done in about 15 years! Thing to tackle next, stress, off to the buddhist centre for some OMMMS. This LP I bought recently should help.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53042371858_d04972a254_z.jpg

[Pigmy Pony]

Carbs are supposed to be bad for diabetes type II, but it's down to the individual?

I think it's down to the type of carbohydrate you're taking in. Pasta, potatoes, rice, are what is termed 'complex carbohydrates', and are an important component of a diet providing energy and nutrients. Taking them in moderation and frequently will help keep blood sugar at healthy levels.

Whereas 'simple sugars' (sugary drinks, white or indeed brown sugar, sweets and chocolate) can all provide a sugar rush, which is not good. The resulting boost in sugar levels will shock the body into drastic action, ie the pancreas chucking out a shitload of insulin to bind onto the sugars and take them to the liver which will then store them as fat. If your pancreas is dicky this can get you into trouble. That is my understanding of it from way back in my sports therapy and nutrition courses - but then maybe things have changed since then.

[struth]

I think it's down to the type of carbohydrate you're taking in. Pasta, potatoes, rice, are what is termed 'complex carbohydrates', and are an important component of a diet providing energy and nutrients. Taking them in moderation and frequently will help keep blood sugar at healthy levels.

Whereas 'simple sugars' (sugary drinks, white or indeed brown sugar, sweets and chocolate) can all provide a sugar rush, which is not good. The resulting boost in sugar levels will shock the body into drastic action, ie the pancreas chucking out a shitload of insulin to bind onto the sugars and take them to the liver which will then store them as fat. If your pancreas is dicky this can get you into trouble. That is my understanding of it from way back in my sports therapy and nutrition courses - but then maybe things have changed since then.No I think your bang on Steve.

[Pigmy Pony]

No I think your bang on Steve.

That is a very basic understanding of the mechanism of the body's storage and use of energy, but as always there will be a lot more stuff going on.

I remember as a kid being in a judo bout with another kid who smelled strongly of pear drops. I had no idea at the time what this meant, but I do remember the ambulance people coming over at some point to deal with him. I now know this to be something called diabetic ketoacidosis, where the liver converts fat into ketones, and makes the blood acidic. The results can be catastrophic if untreated.

The other kid was fine as far as I can remember.

[Barry]

Yes, carbohydrates are essential sources of energy. You have to distinguish between slow release, starchy carbohydrates (bread, potatoes, pasta and rice) and rapid release carbs (sugars, etc.).

Another dietary item that needs to be watched is fat. Cut down on saturated fat, and boil and bake, rather than roast. Use olive oil spreads in place of butter.

And eat plenty of dietary fibre: fresh vegetables and fruit.

[struth]

Yes, carbohydrates are essential sources of energy. You have to distinguish between slow release, starchy carbohydrates (bread, potatoes, pasta and rice) and rapid release carbs (sugars, etc.).

Another dietary item that needs to be watched is fat. Cut down on saturated fat, and boil and bake, rather than roast. Use olive oil spreads in place of butter.

And eat plenty of dietary fibre: fresh vegetables and fruit.

my chicken gets cooked under pressure then gets a quick crisp n brown all in foodi. always comes out nice. not a huge amount of fat on a chicken but you do see some in the bottom of pot mixed with the water etc.
potatoes and pasta i still eat. occasional rice, and even more occasional bread.
probably be cooking mince today as i took some out of freezer yesterday. maybe another pasta.

[Barry]

I always go for low fat mince (no more than 5%), and always trim all fat away from bacon (I don't buy streaky bacon) and from pork chops etc.

Will usually boil, poach or scramble eggs rather than fry them.

[struth]

I always go for low fat mince (no more than 5%), and always trim all fat away from bacon (I don't buy streaky bacon) and from pork chops etc.

Will usually boil, poach or scramble eggs rather than fry them.

yeah i usually use 5% mince or thereabouts. dont mind it a bit fattier tho as it cooks out. i like bacon but it doesn't like me so much.. fatty stuff doesn't agree with me much now. god's food, sliced sausage(lorne) needs a bit of fat and rusk in it tho or it doesnt taste or feel right..plenty brown sauce too

[Pigmy Pony]

yeah i usually use 5% mince or thereabouts. dont mind it a bit fattier tho as it cooks out. i like bacon but it doesn't like me so much.. fatty stuff doesn't agree with me much now. god's food, sliced sausage(lorne) needs a bit of fat and rusk in it tho or it doesnt taste or feel right..plenty brown sauce too

There'll be a lot of sugar in brown sauce, but you have to draw the line somewhere - who wants to live in a world without brown sauce... Not many savoury foods that can't be improved with brown sauce :)

Lorne sausage butty with brown sauce...I feel hungry now

[struth]

There'll be a lot of sugar in brown sauce, but you have to draw the line somewhere - who wants to live in a world without brown sauce... Not many savoury foods that can't be improved with brown sauce :)

Lorne sausage butty with brown sauce...I feel hungry now

top it often with a tatty scone if at a van... was my daily when working on a site and van was nearby...2 of them usually but hey we worked hard.:eyebrows:

[Pigmy Pony]

This thread is turning into "Diabetes: how to get there sooner" :D

[Wakefield Turntables]

Podiatrist in the house!!!! I spent years doing the anaesthetics for diabetic foot surgery. I’ve also about200 patients with diabetes who I look after. I’m happy to chat about foot health

[Pigmy Pony]

top it often with a tatty scone if at a van... was my daily when working on a site and van was nearby...2 of them usually but hey we worked hard.:eyebrows:

I've used that excuse many times :D

[Pigmy Pony]

Podiatrist in the house!!!! I spent years doing the anaesthetics for diabetic foot surgery. I’ve also about200 patients with diabetes who I look after. I’m happy to chat about foot health

That would be very useful Andrew - I have the world's worst feet, and are probably beyond help (Mrs. P disagrees, but then she has Morton's Neuroma and a plastic toe bone, so it's all relative).

[Wakefield Turntables]

That would be very useful Andrew - I have the world's worst feet, and are probably beyond help (Mrs. P disagrees, but then she has Morton's Neuroma and a plastic toe bone, so it's all relative).

Neuropathy is that worst problem. Many diabetics just ignore it and pretend it never happens. Big mistake.

[Barry]

I have my feet checked annually by the nurse at our local surgery.

[Macca]

I always go for low fat mince (no more than 5%), and always trim all fat away from bacon (I don't buy streaky bacon) and from pork chops etc.
.

I always go for the 20% stuff myself. Although I don't have mince very often.

[Barry]

Yes, but you don't have diabetes.

[Mikeandvan]

I think it's down to the type of carbohydrate you're taking in. Pasta, potatoes, rice, are what is termed 'complex carbohydrates', and are an important component of a diet providing energy and nutrients. Taking them in moderation and frequently will help keep blood sugar at healthy levels.

Whereas 'simple sugars' (sugary drinks, white or indeed brown sugar, sweets and chocolate) can all provide a sugar rush, which is not good. The resulting boost in sugar levels will shock the body into drastic action, ie the pancreas chucking out a shitload of insulin to bind onto the sugars and take them to the liver which will then store them as fat. If your pancreas is dicky this can get you into trouble. That is my understanding of it from way back in my sports therapy and nutrition courses - but then maybe things have changed since then.

I might need a new pancreas, I'll check Ebay. Apart from that, I been reading certain dieticians saying to avoid carbs like pasta, rice, etc, basically all grains, but they could be full of shit, I dunno.

[Mikeandvan]

Yes, carbohydrates are essential sources of energy. You have to distinguish between slow release, starchy carbohydrates (bread, potatoes, pasta and rice) and rapid release carbs (sugars, etc.).

Another dietary item that needs to be watched is fat. Cut down on saturated fat, and boil and bake, rather than roast. Use olive oil spreads in place of butter.

And eat plenty of dietary fibre: fresh vegetables and fruit.

Why is fat bad for diabetes?

[Mikeandvan]

Neuropathy is that worst problem. Many diabetics just ignore it and pretend it never happens. Big mistake.

WOuld you know if you suffered from it?

[Mikeandvan]

I have my feet checked annually by the nurse at our local surgery.

What does she look for?

[Pigmy Pony]

I might need a new pancreas, I'll check Ebay. Apart from that, I been reading certain dieticians saying to avoid carbs like pasta, rice, etc, basically all grains, but they could be full of shit, I dunno.

That's the risk you take if you buy your rice at Lidl.

[Pigmy Pony]

Yes, but you don't have diabetes.

Please be patient, he's trying his best :D

[Barry]

Why is fat bad for diabetes?

Not especially bad for diabetes as such, but in general fat, especially saturated fat, can lead to obesity and cholesterol can lead to an increase risk of heart disease.

Saturated fat is found mainly in animal products: meat and dairy products: butter and cheese.

[Barry]

What does she look for?

Lack of sensitivity in the soles.

[Mikeandvan]

Lack of sensitivity in the soles.

Thanks, I'll get mine checked.

[Macca]

Fat is mot linked to diabetes but may be good for your mental health - so get it down you:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-science-mental-health/202002/low-fat-diet-can-make-you-angry-irritable-and-depressed#:~:text=1%20A%20long-term%20study%20of%2012%2C404%20people%20assessed,w ere%20to%20become%20depressed%20%5B5%5D.%20...%20M ore%20items

A long-term study of 12,404 people assessed over 10 years found that men on a low-fat diet were 26% more likely to be depressed after 1 year than other men [4].

After 10 years, their risk of depression remained 14% higher. Women on a low-fat diet were 37% more likely to depressed after 1 year than other women.

After 10 years, their risk of depression remained 30% higher. Low-fat diets were defined in the research as regularly eating fat-free meals, fat-free dairy, and low-fat dairy alternatives such as margarine.

[Mikeandvan]

Not especially bad for diabetes as such, but in general fat, especially saturated fat, can lead to obesity and cholesterol can lead to an increase risk of heart disease.

Saturated fat is found mainly in animal products: meat and dairy products: butter and cheese.

I've been reading stuff lately about cholesterol and fat in the diet, some claim animal fat is ok. But these fads come and go, as ever, a balanced diet is safest bet.

[Mikeandvan]

Fat is mot linked to diabetes but may be good for your mental health - so get it down you:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-science-mental-health/202002/low-fat-diet-can-make-you-angry-irritable-and-depressed#:~:text=1%20A%20long-term%20study%20of%2012%2C404%20people%20assessed,w ere%20to%20become%20depressed%20%5B5%5D.%20...%20M ore%20items

A long-term study of 12,404 people assessed over 10 years found that men on a low-fat diet were 26% more likely to be depressed after 1 year than other men [4].

After 10 years, their risk of depression remained 14% higher. Women on a low-fat diet were 37% more likely to depressed after 1 year than other women.

After 10 years, their risk of depression remained 30% higher. Low-fat diets were defined in the research as regularly eating fat-free meals, fat-free dairy, and low-fat dairy alternatives such as margarine.

It could be all the crap they put in so called healthy option foods, if processed that is.

[Wakefield Turntables]

I’m very lucky in that I have a better in depth knowledge than most and access to a couple of friends who are consultant foot surgeons specialising in diabetic surgery so if they don’t know I’m buggered.